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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
Stuff after that's been discussed ad nauseum, but what about the part where Nani watched NesTea's opener? Isn't that like blatantly cheating? How is THAT not the scandal? While it's immoral and perhaps a bit unfair, there's no rule saying that you can't watch replays between games in MLG. Nestea could have easily done the same had he known there was no such rule. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote: Nobody has mentioned this yet? Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do. source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856 didnt affect that game. if it was the first or second game it would have been relevant. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:14 GeorgeForeman wrote: Can we focus on the part where Naniwa illegally (one would presume it's illegal. Because otherwise that's dumb.) scouted NesTea's build? Please? You can't "presume something is illegal", unless it's stated in the rules. Either way it is indeed unsportsman-like behavior if true. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:10 Itsmedudeman wrote: Yes, but no one in the finals right now were unseeded, even though they were lower seeds. The more games you have to play, the more times you're rolling the dice still, so MVP and Nestea not making it is not that big of a surprise because their opponents only had to win 1-2 games to get where they are as opposed to like 8. I thought Nani and Huk were both seeded? So it was a 50-50 split? | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:15 Itsmedudeman wrote: You make it sound like it's only one fan and that this isn't something that people would be upset over. And people do care about their image believe it or not, not necessarily for a single fan, but this whole shit that was started should be something naniwa thinks over in the future and makes sure it doesn't happen again. Given the kind of person Naniwa is? I doubt he cares at all. And he really shouldn't, to be honest. He can be the most hated progamer in SC2, but as long as he keeps winning shit and pulling in results, our opinion of him won't matter one bit. I personally don't like his play -- it's remarkably uninspiring -- nor do I think much of his attitude, but, hey, what can you do, man? | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:17 Azarkon wrote: There is no scandal because there are no rules against him doing that. I have no idea why the game was restarted, but if it was restarted because the admins ordered it, the players have no obligation to not watch the replay or to look at the build order in match history. The only shady thing would be if Naniwa tricked the admins into restarting the game specifically so that he can watch the replay. The game was started on a commercial break. That's why it was restarted. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:19 babylon wrote: Given the kind of person Naniwa is? I doubt he cares at all. And he really shouldn't, to be honest. He can be the most hated progamer in SC2, but as long as he keeps winning shit and pulling in results, our opinion of him won't matter one bit. I personally don't like his play -- it's remarkably uninspiring -- nor do I think much of his attitude, but, hey, what can you do, man? What? You think your image doesn't matter and what people think of you? Please tell me what planet you live on where you can get sponsors, team support, and be allowed to play in tournaments while constantly shitting all over people and not caring about your actions. Whether you want to or not, this shit follows your career, and it doesn't matter what YOU think, it's what people who hire you to play think. NASL kicked him out for what he did, and I would never blame MLG if they suspended him. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:17 Azarkon wrote: There is no scandal because there are no rules against him doing that. I have no idea why the game was restarted, but if it was restarted because the admins ordered it, the players have no obligation to not watch the replay or to look at the build order in match history. The only shady thing would be if Naniwa tricked the admins into restarting the game specifically so that he can watch the replay. watching replay on a restarted game, that sounds pretty shady to me... | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:21 Itsmedudeman wrote: What? You think your image doesn't matter and what people think of you? Please tell me what planet you live on where you can get sponsors, team support, and be allowed to play in tournaments while constantly shitting all over people and not caring about your actions. Whether you want to or not, this shit follows your career, and it doesn't matter what YOU think, it's what people who hire you to play think. Here's why it doesn't matter: If you play well and show good results, you'll have fans. If you have fans and pull in good results, you will have a team. If you have a team, you'll be sponsored. Not to mention, this community's memory is so short it's not even funny. There are players who have done far worse than Naniwa and have been forgiven in less than a month. EDIT: Having seen your edit, you're acting like what he did is the most horrible thing ever in the world of competitive gaming. He got a warning; that's it. The end. They already penalized him. I mean, what the hell's the issue anyways? Thumbs-downing NesTea? Give me a break. The Koreans do that all the time (and far worse) in the GSTL. Calling NesTea an idiot? He said that's not what he meant and will probably release another statement with an apology. People are overreacting. | ||
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Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
Even if you do think it somehow gives Naniwa a big advantage, how would he know Nestea wouldn't do something different in game two? It's not as though they're obliged to do the same opener every time, and I doubt Naniwa is stupid enough to see Nestea doing something in one game and try and blind counter it in the next one when he could easily change his build. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:18 pdd wrote: While it's immoral and perhaps a bit unfair, there's no rule saying that you can't watch replays between games in MLG. Nestea could have easily done the same had he known there was no such rule. Rules should have been made known to all parties before the tournament began. If Nestea was not informed, that is MLG's fault. I assume that the sequence of events is such that Naniwa did not engineer the restart. In that case, I think he had reason to watch the replay because he assumed that Nestea would do the same and didn't want to be at a disadvantage because his build got scouted but Nestea's didn't. I do remember that the last game was horizontal positions, not cross positions, so this sequence of events seems right since the admins didn't restart just because Naniwa freaked out over it not being cross positions. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:19 babylon wrote: Given the kind of person Naniwa is? I doubt he cares at all. And he really shouldn't, to be honest. He can be the most hated progamer in SC2, but as long as he keeps winning shit and pulling in results, our opinion of him won't matter one bit. I personally don't like his play -- it's remarkably uninspiring -- nor do I think much of his attitude, but, hey, what can you do, man? Actually it will. Part of the reason players get sponsored and paid by their teams is to represent them so that their teams sponsors get good advertising. If a player becomes really disliked (such as is possible with players like major and naniwa) then people will view the team said player is on in a negative way, and some (I will for sure) go as far as to go out of their way to NOT buy anything endorsed by that team or player. When enough people feel that strongly about disliking a player, it will matter to them. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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quancer
Canada161 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:25 Gondlem wrote: It's totally common to watch replays of previous games at tournaments like these. In fact, I remember from previous MLGs the casters saying "we're going to wait a moment to start the next game because Select is watching the replay of the last one" or whatever. Even if you do think it somehow gives Naniwa a big advantage, how would he know Nestea wouldn't do something different in game two? It's not as though they're obliged to do the same opener every time, and I doubt Naniwa is stupid enough to see Nestea doing something in one game and try and blind counter it in the next one when he could easily change his build. The difference is that they were restarting the game. I thought it was a given in most tournaments that watching a replay of a game that needs to be restarted is illegal. I'm not saying it would have absolutely affected the outcome, but rather that the fact that it could potentially decide the outcome of the game means it should be illegal anyway. | ||
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
I'm surprised MLG doesn't have someone monitoring player booths for these kind of things... | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
Re: naniwa, in his apology tweet he said he didn't formulate himself well in the interview, I imagine the word he wanted was present. You can formulate a plan and then present it but the two words are not exactly interchangeable, this and other little slip-ups convince me that while his english is not terrible he is still not always getting the right words out. He certainly meant to criticise the drone pull but to what degree is debateable. RE: Nestea, I loved game 1 vs slush,! RE: MC, murlock costume ceremony is the greatest ceremony. RE: MKP, gogo reddit hero ^-^! The games in general have all been good or had really tense moments and I've really enjoyed all the high level of play on display. Championship sunday should bring more great games and hopefully and exciting final. | ||
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RedDeckWins
United States123 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:27 Azarkon wrote: Rules should have been made known to all parties before the tournament began. If Nestea was not informed, that is MLG's fault. I assume that the sequence of events is such that Naniwa did not engineer the restart. In that case, I think he had reason to watch the replay because he assumed that Nestea would do the same and didn't want to be at a disadvantage because his build got scouted but Nestea's didn't. I do remember that the last game was horizontal positions, not cross positions, so this sequence of events seems right since the admins didn't restart just because Naniwa freaked out over it not being cross positions. Actually it would be the player's responsibility to know the rules... | ||
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OMGKEI
Australia590 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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usethis2
2164 Posts
The rule book doesn't need to contain specific wording against watching replays during pauses. All it needs to say is a general expectation of sportsmanship from the players, and I don't know how many people will argue against that it's against the spirit of competition to watch replays after pausing (before resuming). | ||
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