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nokz
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria10 Posts
November 20 2011 05:50 GMT
#13101
it is not really a big deal I mean he did win because of the sentry drop and killed of his lair ... so I mean if NesTea was to be 6pooling and then again 6pooling then it would be kinda of a big deal BUT he wasnt so ...
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ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
November 20 2011 05:51 GMT
#13102
People are way to sensitive in esports its disgusting. In any other sport if your playing the "best in the league" you dont show them respect, you try to get them off their game no matter what. Do you think people never ran Wayne Gretzky or hit John Elway after the whistle to rattle them. There is one thing to like a player but there`s another thing to baby them to the point where whenever someone says anything bad about them your ready to go to war...

A thumbs down, a quote taken out of context and a few phrases typed should be the worst of everyone's worries. I dont know how many times I've seen a player call a ref a fucking idiot or completely insult another player with trash talking and what not in the big 4 sports.

ComplexConf
Profile Joined September 2011
Ireland161 Posts
November 20 2011 05:51 GMT
#13103
As far as I understood Naniwa thought it might be a version of the map where you can spawn close position, or he was expecting it to be diagnally crossspawn only?
"Carrier has arrived" "GTFO OR DIE!"
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
November 20 2011 05:51 GMT
#13104
On November 20 2011 14:46 kaige wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:22 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:20 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.

and cue the Complexity damage control...

on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going!


lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself.


yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it

He didn't call his competitor an idiot. He said the choice to take all his drones off minerals was stupid.


No he didn't say that at all.. he said "I thought he was a genius, but i guess hes an idiot" he didn't say the drone move was idiotic or stupid, he labelled Nestea as an idiot.. it was totally uncalled for.

Context. Learn about context. I can take one sentence out of something and make it seem completely different from what was intended. In context he was talking about the move of the drones.



How about learn English. The drone pull cannot be an idiot; it can be an idiotic action. So regardless of the context, the wording of the statement is understood as calling Nestea an idiot.

I completely understand that Naniwa didn't mean for it to come out like that, but his original statement is absolutely calling Nestea an idiot.

In context it's pretty blatant he's still talking about the drones and if people can't see that they have poor comprehension.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
November 20 2011 05:52 GMT
#13105
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


yeah people have mentioned this. if this is true...it can be real bad for nani's already dwindling image.
subV
Profile Joined June 2011
United States93 Posts
November 20 2011 05:52 GMT
#13106
On November 20 2011 14:46 kaige wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:22 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:20 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.

and cue the Complexity damage control...

on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going!


lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself.


yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it

He didn't call his competitor an idiot. He said the choice to take all his drones off minerals was stupid.


No he didn't say that at all.. he said "I thought he was a genius, but i guess hes an idiot" he didn't say the drone move was idiotic or stupid, he labelled Nestea as an idiot.. it was totally uncalled for.

Context. Learn about context. I can take one sentence out of something and make it seem completely different from what was intended. In context he was talking about the move of the drones.



How about learn English. The drone pull cannot be an idiot; it can be an idiotic action. So regardless of the context, the wording of the statement is understood as calling Nestea an idiot.

I completely understand that Naniwa didn't mean for it to come out like that, but his original statement is absolutely calling Nestea an idiot.


Jesus.

He called Nesta an idiot IN THAT PARTICULAR GAME. He also stated his opinion earlier in the interview that he does not have a hard time playing against Nestea's playstyle, saying that other Korean zergs are harder for him. People can be idiots at times, geniuses at others.

Also, English is probably his second language.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 20 2011 05:52 GMT
#13107
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

Depends if it's a rule or not. However, I personally think it's a huge unafir advantage seeing someone's initial build order on a map that you're gonna replay.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
November 20 2011 05:53 GMT
#13108
On November 20 2011 14:46 kaige wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:22 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:20 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.

and cue the Complexity damage control...

on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going!


lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself.


yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it

He didn't call his competitor an idiot. He said the choice to take all his drones off minerals was stupid.


No he didn't say that at all.. he said "I thought he was a genius, but i guess hes an idiot" he didn't say the drone move was idiotic or stupid, he labelled Nestea as an idiot.. it was totally uncalled for.

Context. Learn about context. I can take one sentence out of something and make it seem completely different from what was intended. In context he was talking about the move of the drones.



How about learn English. The drone pull cannot be an idiot; it can be an idiotic action. So regardless of the context, the wording of the statement is understood as calling Nestea an idiot.

I completely understand that Naniwa didn't mean for it to come out like that, but his original statement is absolutely calling Nestea an idiot.


I think naniwa is still trying to learn english...since its not his first language and all....
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
November 20 2011 05:53 GMT
#13109
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
modesttoss
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
November 20 2011 05:54 GMT
#13110
If only people would actually pay attention to the interview instead of hearing what they wanna hear... -__-
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 05:56:01
November 20 2011 05:54 GMT
#13111
On November 20 2011 14:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

Depends if it's a rule or not. However, I personally think it's a huge unafir advantage seeing someone's initial build order on a map that you're gonna replay.


Nestea also sees if Naniwa was going nexus first, the food timing of his forge, if he had planned on going in-base gate, etc.

On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.


I'm pretty sure third game wasn't restarted. Second game was the one where Nestea 11 pooled on Tal'darim wasn't it, where was the pause in that?
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 20 2011 05:55 GMT
#13112
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.


That's pretty serious if true. It's flat out cheating to know a person's opening on a restart that you caused yourself. Should dq nani and let nestea play huk tomorrow.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
November 20 2011 05:56 GMT
#13113
On November 20 2011 14:55 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.


That's pretty serious if true. It's flat out cheating to know a person's opening on a restart that you caused yourself. Should dq nani and let nestea play huk tomorrow.



I assume you're joking. Also, DQ Blizzard for allowing you to see build orders after the match? Nestea can also see what Naniwa did.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 20 2011 05:56 GMT
#13114
On November 20 2011 14:51 ToasteR_ wrote:
People are way to sensitive in esports its disgusting. In any other sport if your playing the "best in the league" you dont show them respect, you try to get them off their game no matter what. Do you think people never ran Wayne Gretzky or hit John Elway after the whistle to rattle them. There is one thing to like a player but there`s another thing to baby them to the point where whenever someone says anything bad about them your ready to go to war...

A thumbs down, a quote taken out of context and a few phrases typed should be the worst of everyone's worries. I dont know how many times I've seen a player call a ref a fucking idiot or completely insult another player with trash talking and what not in the big 4 sports.


So what? They aren't going to be penalized or anything but if you say something dumb or flaunt then of course people are going to get upset over it. There's something that matters in every profession and it's called pesonality. If someone doesn't like naniwa for what he does, who are you to say they aren't allowed to? If a pro insulted another pro like that then a lot of people wouldn't like them.

There are people who have been recorded and LIP READ (not even heard on camera) for saying something bad about a referee's call and they were suspended and fined by the league.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 20 2011 05:57 GMT
#13115
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 05:57:57
November 20 2011 05:57 GMT
#13116
On November 20 2011 14:54 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

Depends if it's a rule or not. However, I personally think it's a huge unafir advantage seeing someone's initial build order on a map that you're gonna replay.


Nestea also sees if Naniwa was going nexus first, the food timing of his forge, if he had planned on going in-base gate, etc.

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.


I'm pretty sure third game wasn't restarted. Second game was the one where Nestea 11 pooled on Tal'darim wasn't it, where was the pause in that?

When they went to break the game started and then they stopped it during the break. If you go back and watch it the casters mention it while apologizing for the wait.

Edit: By second game I mean the second instance of the 3rd game. Sorry.
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blueblueblue
Profile Joined November 2011
1 Post
November 20 2011 05:57 GMT
#13117
On November 20 2011 14:50 nokz wrote:
it is not really a big deal I mean he did win because of the sentry drop and killed of his lair ... so I mean if NesTea was to be 6pooling and then again 6pooling then it would be kinda of a big deal BUT he wasnt so ...


If Naniwa planned on canon rushing, but wasn't sure if he should, knowing NesTea's early game build order (not going for a fast pool) may have made Naniwa a lot more confident in a strategy he was unsure of. NesTea was sort of down after that canon as it definitely cut away some of his early mining time. Saying that though, I don't know if it would have had a big impact on the game...

Nevertheless, player's should not be allowed to do that.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 20 2011 05:57 GMT
#13118
goddamnit naniwa is gonna win and hes been my favorite player for so long..
ComplexConf
Profile Joined September 2011
Ireland161 Posts
November 20 2011 05:58 GMT
#13119
On November 20 2011 14:53 Falcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:46 kaige wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:22 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:20 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.

and cue the Complexity damage control...

on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going!


lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself.


yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it

He didn't call his competitor an idiot. He said the choice to take all his drones off minerals was stupid.


No he didn't say that at all.. he said "I thought he was a genius, but i guess hes an idiot" he didn't say the drone move was idiotic or stupid, he labelled Nestea as an idiot.. it was totally uncalled for.

Context. Learn about context. I can take one sentence out of something and make it seem completely different from what was intended. In context he was talking about the move of the drones.



How about learn English. The drone pull cannot be an idiot; it can be an idiotic action. So regardless of the context, the wording of the statement is understood as calling Nestea an idiot.

I completely understand that Naniwa didn't mean for it to come out like that, but his original statement is absolutely calling Nestea an idiot.


I think naniwa is still trying to learn english...since its not his first language and all....


I don't think he is trying to learn english, that is just how his english sounds/is... Also as a scandinavian, the word idiot, though not a nice word is commonly used about someone who does something stupid.. It does not exactly mean that you think the person is a complete idiot with no intelligence.. If so I think all my friends are idiots, and they think I am an idiot.

Just get over it guys.
"Carrier has arrived" "GTFO OR DIE!"
vonterribad
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia50 Posts
November 20 2011 06:01 GMT
#13120
On November 20 2011 14:51 ToasteR_ wrote:
People are way to sensitive in esports its disgusting. In any other sport if your playing the "best in the league" you dont show them respect, you try to get them off their game no matter what. Do you think people never ran Wayne Gretzky or hit John Elway after the whistle to rattle them. There is one thing to like a player but there`s another thing to baby them to the point where whenever someone says anything bad about them your ready to go to war...

A thumbs down, a quote taken out of context and a few phrases typed should be the worst of everyone's worries. I dont know how many times I've seen a player call a ref a fucking idiot or completely insult another player with trash talking and what not in the big 4 sports.



People just dont like him, it's plain and simple. Also the whole "oh it happens in other sports" thing doesnt really fly with me, since I have seen players become public enemy number 1 over cheap shots and bad sportsmanship. Its not exclusive to e-sports.
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