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leungwk01
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1260 Posts
November 20 2011 06:01 GMT
#13121
What are people talking about?
The game was resumed cos you could see the ref telling them to play on. (@10:02:00 on vod red stream)
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
November 20 2011 06:02 GMT
#13122
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?

Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it.
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seffer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States143 Posts
November 20 2011 06:03 GMT
#13123
Unless its a rule, looking at the replays after a failed game shouldnt get naniwa in trouble. nestea couldve done the same thing
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 06:04:10
November 20 2011 06:03 GMT
#13124
On November 20 2011 14:57 blueblueblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:50 nokz wrote:
it is not really a big deal I mean he did win because of the sentry drop and killed of his lair ... so I mean if NesTea was to be 6pooling and then again 6pooling then it would be kinda of a big deal BUT he wasnt so ...


If Naniwa planned on canon rushing, but wasn't sure if he should, knowing NesTea's early game build order (not going for a fast pool) may have made Naniwa a lot more confident in a strategy he was unsure of. NesTea was sort of down after that canon as it definitely cut away some of his early mining time. Saying that though, I don't know if it would have had a big impact on the game...

Nevertheless, player's should not be allowed to do that.


On the same note, if Nestea planned on 11 pooling but wasn't sure if he would, knowing Naniwa's early game build order (not going for a fast gate or forge) may have made Nestea a lot more confident. There's no difference.

On November 20 2011 14:58 ComplexConf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:53 Falcor wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:46 kaige wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:22 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:20 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.

and cue the Complexity damage control...

on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going!


lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself.


yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it

He didn't call his competitor an idiot. He said the choice to take all his drones off minerals was stupid.


No he didn't say that at all.. he said "I thought he was a genius, but i guess hes an idiot" he didn't say the drone move was idiotic or stupid, he labelled Nestea as an idiot.. it was totally uncalled for.

Context. Learn about context. I can take one sentence out of something and make it seem completely different from what was intended. In context he was talking about the move of the drones.



How about learn English. The drone pull cannot be an idiot; it can be an idiotic action. So regardless of the context, the wording of the statement is understood as calling Nestea an idiot.

I completely understand that Naniwa didn't mean for it to come out like that, but his original statement is absolutely calling Nestea an idiot.


I think naniwa is still trying to learn english...since its not his first language and all....


I don't think he is trying to learn english, that is just how his english sounds/is... Also as a scandinavian, the word idiot, though not a nice word is commonly used about someone who does something stupid.. It does not exactly mean that you think the person is a complete idiot with no intelligence.. If so I think all my friends are idiots, and they think I am an idiot.

Just get over it guys.


Wasn't there a big thing about Jinro saying fuck in a GSL interview but that's just how it works in Sweden? Cultural differences I guess, I suppose they just aren't super careful with their language sometimes. Naniwa said it wasn't his intention to insult Nestea as an overall player and I'll trust in him instead of mindlessly gossiping and hating on a very determined player.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 20 2011 06:03 GMT
#13125
On November 20 2011 15:02 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?

Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it.

Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location?
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Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 06:06:51
November 20 2011 06:05 GMT
#13126
On November 20 2011 15:03 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 15:02 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?

Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it.

Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location?


Nestea won game 2 with an early pool giving a big advantage and I don't recall a pause/restart? Or do ou mean the second game of the third set? I'm confused either way but I don't think it's a big deal at all since Nestea had the same potential advantage.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
November 20 2011 06:05 GMT
#13127
On November 20 2011 15:03 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 15:02 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?

Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it.

Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location?

Yeah. The last game in the series was the second 3rd game essentially cause the first one was going on during a commercial break and they stopped it. That's when he paused it.

He did nothing illegal, maybe immoral, but he wasn't breaking any rules at all.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
bounca
Profile Joined June 2011
140 Posts
November 20 2011 06:06 GMT
#13128
On November 20 2011 15:05 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 15:03 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 15:02 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?

Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it.

Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location?

Yeah. The last game in the series was the second 3rd game essentially cause the first one was going on during a commercial break and they stopped it. That's when he paused it.

He did nothing illegal, maybe immoral, but he wasn't breaking any rules at all.

did you read the rules?
i know in GSL u cant watch the replay if it has to be restarted or have anyone in ur booth
im curious how MLG handles it in their rules
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
November 20 2011 06:07 GMT
#13129
.All Naniwa did was some bad wording in a not native lanquage and then it came out wrong and then he did thumbs down after he heard Nestea sayd he was gonna smash him.. Big deal wow the dramaqueens

Feck the haters Naniwa you beat MVP and Nestea twice now go win
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
November 20 2011 06:08 GMT
#13130
On November 20 2011 15:06 bounca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 15:05 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 15:03 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 15:02 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?

Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it.

Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location?

Yeah. The last game in the series was the second 3rd game essentially cause the first one was going on during a commercial break and they stopped it. That's when he paused it.

He did nothing illegal, maybe immoral, but he wasn't breaking any rules at all.

did you read the rules?
i know in GSL u cant watch the replay if it has to be restarted or have anyone in ur booth
im curious how MLG handles it in their rules

There's nothing in the rules about it. I've looked through and I saw nothing about looking at a replay, though there probably are things about delaying games.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 20 2011 06:08 GMT
#13131
Interesting that in most tournaments the seeded players are considered favorites, but here 75% of the seeded players lost to the unseeded players. Of course, that's not such a surprise, considering that the unseeded players were some of the very best Koreans.
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 20 2011 06:08 GMT
#13132
On November 20 2011 15:06 bounca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 15:05 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 15:03 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 15:02 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?

Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it.

Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location?

Yeah. The last game in the series was the second 3rd game essentially cause the first one was going on during a commercial break and they stopped it. That's when he paused it.

He did nothing illegal, maybe immoral, but he wasn't breaking any rules at all.

did you read the rules?
i know in GSL u cant watch the replay if it has to be restarted or have anyone in ur booth
im curious how MLG handles it in their rules

I recall players watching replays between games in previous MLGs. So I think it's legal. I'm assuming there's no rules for watching replays between disconnected/cancelled games also.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
SoKHo
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)1081 Posts
November 20 2011 06:10 GMT
#13133
On November 20 2011 14:52 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


yeah people have mentioned this. if this is true...it can be real bad for nani's already dwindling image.


if that's true, I lost all respect for naniwa
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 20 2011 06:10 GMT
#13134
On November 20 2011 15:08 figq wrote:
Interesting that in most tournaments the seeded players are considered favorites, but here 75% of the seeded players lost to the unseeded players. Of course, that's not such a surprise, considering that the unseeded players were some of the very best Koreans.
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Yes, but no one in the finals right now were unseeded, even though they were lower seeds. The more games you have to play, the more times you're rolling the dice still, so MVP and Nestea not making it is not that big of a surprise because their opponents only had to win 1-2 games to get where they are as opposed to like 8.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 06:13:42
November 20 2011 06:12 GMT
#13135
On November 20 2011 15:08 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 15:06 bounca wrote:
On November 20 2011 15:05 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 15:03 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 15:02 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:53 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:48 Heavenly wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


Is that a big deal? I mean, build orders are revealed in the post game screen. I'm also 95% sure the casters stated they did not restart the game and they had just unpaused?

They had to restart the game, the second game was the one that was paused.

Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened?

Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map?

Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it.

Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location?

Yeah. The last game in the series was the second 3rd game essentially cause the first one was going on during a commercial break and they stopped it. That's when he paused it.

He did nothing illegal, maybe immoral, but he wasn't breaking any rules at all.

did you read the rules?
i know in GSL u cant watch the replay if it has to be restarted or have anyone in ur booth
im curious how MLG handles it in their rules

I recall players watching replays between games in previous MLGs. So I think it's legal. I'm assuming there's no rules for watching replays between disconnected/cancelled games also.

Yeah, it's not against the rules, but you honestly can't say this wasn't sort of shady. Wasn't it naniwa who called for the regame in the first place even though it was the right map, he chose it and started it without regarding the admins, and then he goes back and watches a game that will be replayed? I mean, there's one thing to watch a replay of a previous game, but it's highly likely that the person will use the same build in they used in a replayed game.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
November 20 2011 06:13 GMT
#13136
On November 20 2011 15:10 SoKHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:52 Golgotha wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


yeah people have mentioned this. if this is true...it can be real bad for nani's already dwindling image.


if that's true, I lost all respect for naniwa

Good thing he doesn't care for your opinion of him, lol.
ComplexConf
Profile Joined September 2011
Ireland161 Posts
November 20 2011 06:13 GMT
#13137
On November 20 2011 15:03 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:57 blueblueblue wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:50 nokz wrote:
it is not really a big deal I mean he did win because of the sentry drop and killed of his lair ... so I mean if NesTea was to be 6pooling and then again 6pooling then it would be kinda of a big deal BUT he wasnt so ...


If Naniwa planned on canon rushing, but wasn't sure if he should, knowing NesTea's early game build order (not going for a fast pool) may have made Naniwa a lot more confident in a strategy he was unsure of. NesTea was sort of down after that canon as it definitely cut away some of his early mining time. Saying that though, I don't know if it would have had a big impact on the game...

Nevertheless, player's should not be allowed to do that.


On the same note, if Nestea planned on 11 pooling but wasn't sure if he would, knowing Naniwa's early game build order (not going for a fast gate or forge) may have made Nestea a lot more confident. There's no difference.

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 14:58 ComplexConf wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:53 Falcor wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:46 kaige wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:22 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:20 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Femari wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.

and cue the Complexity damage control...

on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going!


lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself.


yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it

He didn't call his competitor an idiot. He said the choice to take all his drones off minerals was stupid.


No he didn't say that at all.. he said "I thought he was a genius, but i guess hes an idiot" he didn't say the drone move was idiotic or stupid, he labelled Nestea as an idiot.. it was totally uncalled for.

Context. Learn about context. I can take one sentence out of something and make it seem completely different from what was intended. In context he was talking about the move of the drones.



How about learn English. The drone pull cannot be an idiot; it can be an idiotic action. So regardless of the context, the wording of the statement is understood as calling Nestea an idiot.

I completely understand that Naniwa didn't mean for it to come out like that, but his original statement is absolutely calling Nestea an idiot.


I think naniwa is still trying to learn english...since its not his first language and all....


I don't think he is trying to learn english, that is just how his english sounds/is... Also as a scandinavian, the word idiot, though not a nice word is commonly used about someone who does something stupid.. It does not exactly mean that you think the person is a complete idiot with no intelligence.. If so I think all my friends are idiots, and they think I am an idiot.

Just get over it guys.


Wasn't there a big thing about Jinro saying fuck in a GSL interview but that's just how it works in Sweden? Cultural differences I guess, I suppose they just aren't super careful with their language sometimes. Naniwa said it wasn't his intention to insult Nestea as an overall player and I'll trust in him instead of mindlessly gossiping and hating on a very determined player.


Yeah like seriously, I think it has to do with a cultural difference.. I am danish myself but been around alot of swedes and they are not much different in that regard..
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GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
November 20 2011 06:14 GMT
#13138
I blame Artosis. Before their second match, he said (incorrectly) that Nani had called NesTea bad after their previous series. When he says this on stream, people react to it.

If people want to talk about Naniwa being BM, they should instead focus on Game 3. There seems to be confusion about the events, so I'll describe what I saw as a spectator.

-Game starts. Nani scouts cross positions
-Game paused by admins just as Nani is getting there. All he's seen in the creep. No structures or units. And no expo, too, I suppose.
-There is a delay over something technical (The game wasn't being streamed or something? I dunno.) Eventually Nani leaves for the bathroom. NesTea then does the same. It's still delayed when Nani gets back, everyone in game. At some point, Nani leaves the game and watches the replay, showing him NesTea's opening. He then hosts the next game and invites everyone, which is what NesTea returns from the bathroom to.
-Stream's working, game starts, (yay) Nani scouts at same timing, going directly cross-positions and finds that NesTea's not there, which apparently COMPLETELY messed up his build, because he pauses, blah blah.

Stuff after that's been discussed ad nauseum, but what about the part where Nani watched NesTea's opener? Isn't that like blatantly cheating? How is THAT not the scandal? Why are people focusing on silly stuff like two people for whom English is not their first language getting pissed at one another over some stuff mis-spoken in English? Can we focus on the part where Naniwa illegally (one would presume it's illegal. Because otherwise that's dumb.) scouted NesTea's build? Please?
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 20 2011 06:15 GMT
#13139
On November 20 2011 15:13 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 15:10 SoKHo wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:52 Golgotha wrote:
On November 20 2011 14:43 ZwuckeL wrote:
Nobody has mentioned this yet?

Seems like Naniwa watched the replay right after the first game of the 3rd Match between him and Nestea got canceled to see what Nestea would do.

source: http://twitter.com/#!/SemiProJoe/status/138086569721593856


yeah people have mentioned this. if this is true...it can be real bad for nani's already dwindling image.


if that's true, I lost all respect for naniwa

Good thing he doesn't care for your opinion of him, lol.

You make it sound like it's only one fan and that this isn't something that people would be upset over. And people do care about their image believe it or not, not necessarily for a single fan, but this whole shit that was started should be something naniwa thinks over in the future and makes sure it doesn't happen again.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 06:19:29
November 20 2011 06:17 GMT
#13140
On November 20 2011 15:14 GeorgeForeman wrote:
I blame Artosis. Before their second match, he said (incorrectly) that Nani had called NesTea bad after their previous series. When he says this on stream, people react to it.

If people want to talk about Naniwa being BM, they should instead focus on Game 3. There seems to be confusion about the events, so I'll describe what I saw as a spectator.

-Game starts. Nani scouts cross positions
-Game paused by admins just as Nani is getting there. All he's seen in the creep. No structures or units. And no expo, too, I suppose.
-There is a delay over something technical (The game wasn't being streamed or something? I dunno.) Eventually Nani leaves for the bathroom. NesTea then does the same. It's still delayed when Nani gets back, everyone in game. At some point, Nani leaves the game and watches the replay, showing him NesTea's opening. He then hosts the next game and invites everyone, which is what NesTea returns from the bathroom to.
-Stream's working, game starts, (yay) Nani scouts at same timing, going directly cross-positions and finds that NesTea's not there, which apparently COMPLETELY messed up his build, because he pauses, blah blah.

Stuff after that's been discussed ad nauseum, but what about the part where Nani watched NesTea's opener? Isn't that like blatantly cheating? How is THAT not the scandal? Why are people focusing on silly stuff like two people for whom English is not their first language getting pissed at one another over some stuff mis-spoken in English? Can we focus on the part where Naniwa illegally (one would presume it's illegal. Because otherwise that's dumb.) scouted NesTea's build? Please?


There is no scandal because there are no rules against him doing that. I have no idea why the game was restarted, but if it was restarted because the admins ordered it, the players have no obligation to not watch the replay or to look at the build order in match history.

The only shady thing would be if Naniwa tricked the admins into restarting the game specifically so that he can watch the replay.
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