EPTThe game was resumed cos you could see the ref telling them to play on. (@10:02:00 on vod red stream)
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
The game was resumed cos you could see the ref telling them to play on. (@10:02:00 on vod red stream) | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On November 20 2011 14:57 pdd wrote: Wait, I didn't really watch the game live and only skimmed through the VODs, what actually happened? Because it seemed like the game where Naniwa won they were close positions again and it was a bit strange how after all his attempts to delay the game to change the map they replay it on the same close spawn map? Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it. | ||
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seffer
United States143 Posts
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On November 20 2011 14:57 blueblueblue wrote: If Naniwa planned on canon rushing, but wasn't sure if he should, knowing NesTea's early game build order (not going for a fast pool) may have made Naniwa a lot more confident in a strategy he was unsure of. NesTea was sort of down after that canon as it definitely cut away some of his early mining time. Saying that though, I don't know if it would have had a big impact on the game... Nevertheless, player's should not be allowed to do that. On the same note, if Nestea planned on 11 pooling but wasn't sure if he would, knowing Naniwa's early game build order (not going for a fast gate or forge) may have made Nestea a lot more confident. There's no difference. On November 20 2011 14:58 ComplexConf wrote: I don't think he is trying to learn english, that is just how his english sounds/is... Also as a scandinavian, the word idiot, though not a nice word is commonly used about someone who does something stupid.. It does not exactly mean that you think the person is a complete idiot with no intelligence.. If so I think all my friends are idiots, and they think I am an idiot. Just get over it guys. Wasn't there a big thing about Jinro saying fuck in a GSL interview but that's just how it works in Sweden? Cultural differences I guess, I suppose they just aren't super careful with their language sometimes. Naniwa said it wasn't his intention to insult Nestea as an overall player and I'll trust in him instead of mindlessly gossiping and hating on a very determined player. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:02 Femari wrote: Basically they accidently started the game when it went to break, then they had to stop it. During the wait they had to restart the game and Naniwa watched the replay to see what Nestea was doing (apparently) during said wait. That's it. Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location? | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:03 pdd wrote: Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location? Nestea won game 2 with an early pool giving a big advantage and I don't recall a pause/restart? Or do ou mean the second game of the third set? I'm confused either way but I don't think it's a big deal at all since Nestea had the same potential advantage. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:03 pdd wrote: Ah, so the 2nd game which Naniwa won was just unpaused after Naniwa made a big deal about the spawn location? Yeah. The last game in the series was the second 3rd game essentially cause the first one was going on during a commercial break and they stopped it. That's when he paused it. He did nothing illegal, maybe immoral, but he wasn't breaking any rules at all. | ||
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bounca
140 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:05 Femari wrote: Yeah. The last game in the series was the second 3rd game essentially cause the first one was going on during a commercial break and they stopped it. That's when he paused it. He did nothing illegal, maybe immoral, but he wasn't breaking any rules at all. did you read the rules? i know in GSL u cant watch the replay if it has to be restarted or have anyone in ur booth im curious how MLG handles it in their rules | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
Feck the haters Naniwa you beat MVP and Nestea twice now go win | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:06 bounca wrote: did you read the rules? i know in GSL u cant watch the replay if it has to be restarted or have anyone in ur booth im curious how MLG handles it in their rules There's nothing in the rules about it. I've looked through and I saw nothing about looking at a replay, though there probably are things about delaying games. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:06 bounca wrote: did you read the rules? i know in GSL u cant watch the replay if it has to be restarted or have anyone in ur booth im curious how MLG handles it in their rules I recall players watching replays between games in previous MLGs. So I think it's legal. I'm assuming there's no rules for watching replays between disconnected/cancelled games also. | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
On November 20 2011 14:52 Golgotha wrote: yeah people have mentioned this. if this is true...it can be real bad for nani's already dwindling image. if that's true, I lost all respect for naniwa | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:08 figq wrote: Interesting that in most tournaments the seeded players are considered favorites, but here 75% of the seeded players lost to the unseeded players. Of course, that's not such a surprise, considering that the unseeded players were some of the very best Koreans. Yes, but no one in the finals right now were unseeded, even though they were lower seeds. The more games you have to play, the more times you're rolling the dice still, so MVP and Nestea not making it is not that big of a surprise because their opponents only had to win 1-2 games to get where they are as opposed to like 8. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:08 pdd wrote: I recall players watching replays between games in previous MLGs. So I think it's legal. I'm assuming there's no rules for watching replays between disconnected/cancelled games also. Yeah, it's not against the rules, but you honestly can't say this wasn't sort of shady. Wasn't it naniwa who called for the regame in the first place even though it was the right map, he chose it and started it without regarding the admins, and then he goes back and watches a game that will be replayed? I mean, there's one thing to watch a replay of a previous game, but it's highly likely that the person will use the same build in they used in a replayed game. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:10 SoKHo wrote: if that's true, I lost all respect for naniwa Good thing he doesn't care for your opinion of him, lol. | ||
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ComplexConf
Ireland161 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:03 Heavenly wrote: On the same note, if Nestea planned on 11 pooling but wasn't sure if he would, knowing Naniwa's early game build order (not going for a fast gate or forge) may have made Nestea a lot more confident. There's no difference. Wasn't there a big thing about Jinro saying fuck in a GSL interview but that's just how it works in Sweden? Cultural differences I guess, I suppose they just aren't super careful with their language sometimes. Naniwa said it wasn't his intention to insult Nestea as an overall player and I'll trust in him instead of mindlessly gossiping and hating on a very determined player. Yeah like seriously, I think it has to do with a cultural difference.. I am danish myself but been around alot of swedes and they are not much different in that regard.. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
If people want to talk about Naniwa being BM, they should instead focus on Game 3. There seems to be confusion about the events, so I'll describe what I saw as a spectator. -Game starts. Nani scouts cross positions -Game paused by admins just as Nani is getting there. All he's seen in the creep. No structures or units. And no expo, too, I suppose. -There is a delay over something technical (The game wasn't being streamed or something? I dunno.) Eventually Nani leaves for the bathroom. NesTea then does the same. It's still delayed when Nani gets back, everyone in game. At some point, Nani leaves the game and watches the replay, showing him NesTea's opening. He then hosts the next game and invites everyone, which is what NesTea returns from the bathroom to. -Stream's working, game starts, (yay) Nani scouts at same timing, going directly cross-positions and finds that NesTea's not there, which apparently COMPLETELY messed up his build, because he pauses, blah blah. Stuff after that's been discussed ad nauseum, but what about the part where Nani watched NesTea's opener? Isn't that like blatantly cheating? How is THAT not the scandal? Why are people focusing on silly stuff like two people for whom English is not their first language getting pissed at one another over some stuff mis-spoken in English? Can we focus on the part where Naniwa illegally (one would presume it's illegal. Because otherwise that's dumb.) scouted NesTea's build? Please? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:13 babylon wrote: Good thing he doesn't care for your opinion of him, lol. You make it sound like it's only one fan and that this isn't something that people would be upset over. And people do care about their image believe it or not, not necessarily for a single fan, but this whole shit that was started should be something naniwa thinks over in the future and makes sure it doesn't happen again. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:14 GeorgeForeman wrote: I blame Artosis. Before their second match, he said (incorrectly) that Nani had called NesTea bad after their previous series. When he says this on stream, people react to it. If people want to talk about Naniwa being BM, they should instead focus on Game 3. There seems to be confusion about the events, so I'll describe what I saw as a spectator. -Game starts. Nani scouts cross positions -Game paused by admins just as Nani is getting there. All he's seen in the creep. No structures or units. And no expo, too, I suppose. -There is a delay over something technical (The game wasn't being streamed or something? I dunno.) Eventually Nani leaves for the bathroom. NesTea then does the same. It's still delayed when Nani gets back, everyone in game. At some point, Nani leaves the game and watches the replay, showing him NesTea's opening. He then hosts the next game and invites everyone, which is what NesTea returns from the bathroom to. -Stream's working, game starts, (yay) Nani scouts at same timing, going directly cross-positions and finds that NesTea's not there, which apparently COMPLETELY messed up his build, because he pauses, blah blah. Stuff after that's been discussed ad nauseum, but what about the part where Nani watched NesTea's opener? Isn't that like blatantly cheating? How is THAT not the scandal? Why are people focusing on silly stuff like two people for whom English is not their first language getting pissed at one another over some stuff mis-spoken in English? Can we focus on the part where Naniwa illegally (one would presume it's illegal. Because otherwise that's dumb.) scouted NesTea's build? Please? There is no scandal because there are no rules against him doing that. I have no idea why the game was restarted, but if it was restarted because the admins ordered it, the players have no obligation to not watch the replay or to look at the build order in match history. The only shady thing would be if Naniwa tricked the admins into restarting the game specifically so that he can watch the replay. | ||
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