EPThe's top 10 in the world easy right now
but i'm worried about players like flash jaedong sc 1 arriving :/
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Didie
Armenia8 Posts
he's top 10 in the world easy right now but i'm worried about players like flash jaedong sc 1 arriving :/ | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
On November 07 2011 12:52 Didie wrote: Stephano never went to Korea , only training on EU ladder and look at his level... seriously this guy is a genius he could easily reach ro4 gsl code S and even win it when he'll go in korea and train for a month. he's top 10 in the world easy right now but i'm worried about players like flash jaedong sc 1 arriving :/ top 10 in the world "easy" ? I hope you kidding... as he didnt perform in a gsl format with all what it matters (preparation, study of his opponent, etc.) you cant says that.. but he's a code s material ( top tier code a and low/mid code s players are on the same level, even slayers yugioh who is not the best zerg managed to be code s for a while) with no doubt. | ||
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Milvus
Switzerland400 Posts
Great play by Stephano! Thanks for the show matches playhem! | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
stephano will not make a good GSL run for a long time. the reasoning is simple: in code A, you have up to a week to prepare for an opponent. stephano himself admits he doesnt practice nearly as much as other pros. therefore, they have the edge in preparation, build orders, and knowing stephano's weaknesses. while stephano is very very good, he has a distinctive style, and if you give a korean team a few days, they can and will dissect it, break it down, and find every possible hole. | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
On November 07 2011 11:58 StarVe wrote: Also 2-0'ed HuK (Code S) and lost to Alive (code S) 2-0. Also 2-0'ed Boxer at IPL | ||
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KIKIZerg
26 Posts
On November 07 2011 16:27 courtpanda wrote: IMO: stephano will not make a good GSL run for a long time. the reasoning is simple: in code A, you have up to a week to prepare for an opponent. stephano himself admits he doesnt practice nearly as much as other pros. therefore, they have the edge in preparation, build orders, and knowing stephano's weaknesses. while stephano is very very good, he has a distinctive style, and if you give a korean team a few days, they can and will dissect it, break it down, and find every possible hole. and stephano cant change? he's got a huge arsenal of builds... but ok... we will see. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Poilon
France139 Posts
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On November 07 2011 18:29 MooMooMugi wrote: Did Stephano win this showmatch? If so what was the score? 4-1 for Stephano. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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TaKiTaKi
Germany58 Posts
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
Facts : Stephano crushes code A players like a high code S would (ask Violet, Inori, lucky, TaiLS, anypro, revival...) Facts : Stephano can beat "koreans", even code S ones (Ask MMA & puzzle (IPL3 qualifiers), MKP, HuK, ...) Facts : Stephano has displayed a large variety of strategies in pretty much all his matchups, and he has proven to be able to adapt very well to his opponents. Facts : Stephano has shown some weaknesses against high lvl korean terrans, even if says it is / was his best match-up, although he rapes average ones. Facts : Stephano has taken maps from pretty much all koreans he faced since he went pro. Facts : Stephano has never faced those SC2 legends haters say he can't compete against (MvP, Nestea, ..) Conclusion : noone knows what the result of such a match would be. Even if he would not be the favorite, he won't be rolled over and certainly can make those matches entertaining, and can even pretend to win. That will make the Blizzard cup interesting to watch, to say the least. And to those who say he doesn't practice as much as other pros, well, maybe he doesn't play as much, but he certainly thinks about the game and his strategies at least as much, if not more. What I think of Stephano : imho he is the best foreigner atm. Strong in all his matchups, and very rarely loses against a supposely really weaker opponent (as opposed to, let's say, Idra :p) : his play is very safe and well thought, he is the type of player that creates strategies, not apply the ones of others, and that makes him less predictable that many many pros. He has some weaknesses though, sometimes those strategies don't work very well, and he seems to lack some stamina in long run events (4 / 5 big BoX a day seems to be his limit). We don't know yet how he will do in an environment where you have days to prepare to your opponents (GSL type), but as he will go to Korea in december, we will see soon  And to those who say he is not topX world wide : it is pretty much as meaningless as those who say he is topY world wide. Considering the volatility of the current SC2 scene(s), there is pretty much no point to build a global ranking. Only way to be credible would to name X players that would be favorite in a Bo5+ match against Stephano, and backup these names with previous results. And this, dear friends, would be hard to do to say the least | ||
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:17 TaKiTaKi wrote: Can I download the replays/VODs somewhere? Really want to steal some of Stephanos plays On November 07 2011 08:35 godulous wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/299357945 They'll also be on our youtube channel shortly http://youtube.com/playhemtv | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:33 algue wrote: IMO Gsl isn't the best way to prouve your skill. It shows that you'r a very good player but it's not the best way ! ( Bo1 to qualifi , time to prepare some strategies instead of adapting your style during the game ... ) So all the top BW players weren't actually the best? OSL/MSL gave players much more time to prepare than the GSL. I guess Flash actually wasn't that good in practice. Oh wait. No. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44257 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:33 algue wrote: IMO Gsl isn't the best way to prouve your skill. It shows that you'r a very good player but it's not the best way ! ( Bo1 to qualifi , time to prepare some strategies instead of adapting your style during the game ... ) The most difficult and most prestigious tournament isn't the best way to prove your skill? What is, then? | ||
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ArnaudF
France993 Posts
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Thurken
961 Posts
On November 07 2011 20:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The most difficult and most prestigious tournament isn't the best way to prove your skill? What is, then? I think he meant that there are two type of tournament right now 1) Time to prepare your matchup. Your coach can help you elaborate strategies to counter your opponent. You have to execute them perfectly and adapt if your opponent does something you're not prepared for 2) Little to no time to prepare your matchup. Your coach will help you less significantly here. You can't prepare the perfect counter to your opponent strategy but you have to adapt very well and very quickly. 1) is prefered by korean audience i'd say but is not necessarily the best format. (i'm not taking sides here). | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On November 07 2011 20:25 Thurken wrote: I think he meant that there are two type of tournament right now 1) Time to prepare your matchup. Your coach can help you elaborate strategies to counter your opponent. You have to execute them perfectly and adapt if your opponent does something you're not prepared for 2) Little to no time to prepare your matchup. Your coach will help you less significantly here. You can't prepare the perfect counter to your opponent strategy but you have to adapt very well and very quickly. 1) is prefered by korean audience i'd say but is not necessarily the best format. (i'm not taking sides here). I know this is a bit silly to argue in the first place, but what's he's also saying, by proxy, is that all of the BW greats actually weren't "necessarily the best" either. Like I pointed to earlier, MSL/OSL gave the players MUCH more time to prepare than the GSL - sometimes twice or even three times as long, and there were plenty of round robin Bo1's up until the Ro8. Yes, MSL/OSL even had Bo1's in the Ro16. Yet, no one's brought up these kinds of arguments in BW for many many years. Why? Because it was also widely known that these guys dominated in practice and online like on ICCup as well. Flash, for example, was unbeatable in practice, and Bisu was dominant in ICCup. Thus, you can't just say: oh, these players get so much time to prepare, but if they don't, they might not necessarily beat XYZ. No, skill is skill. | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:29 Ylrahc wrote: Fanboys or haters, overstating since the dawn of (e)sports. Facts : Stephano crushes code A players like a high code S would (ask Violet, Inori, lucky, TaiLS, anypro, revival...) Facts : Stephano can beat "koreans", even code S ones (Ask MMA & puzzle (IPL3 qualifiers), MKP, HuK, ...) Facts : Stephano has displayed a large variety of strategies in pretty much all his matchups, and he has proven to be able to adapt very well to his opponents. Facts : Stephano has shown some weaknesses against high lvl korean terrans, even if says it is / was his best match-up, although he rapes average ones. Facts : Stephano has taken maps from pretty much all koreans he faced since he went pro. Facts : Stephano has never faced those SC2 legends haters say he can't compete against (MvP, Nestea, ..) Conclusion : noone knows what the result of such a match would be. Even if he would not be the favorite, he won't be rolled over and certainly can make those matches entertaining, and can even pretend to win. That will make the Blizzard cup interesting to watch, to say the least. And to those who say he doesn't practice as much as other pros, well, maybe he doesn't play as much, but he certainly thinks about the game and his strategies at least as much, if not more. What I think of Stephano : imho he is the best foreigner atm. Strong in all his matchups, and very rarely loses against a supposely really weaker opponent (as opposed to, let's say, Idra :p) : his play is very safe and well thought, he is the type of player that creates strategies, not apply the ones of others, and that makes him less predictable that many many pros. He has some weaknesses though, sometimes those strategies don't work very well, and he seems to lack some stamina in long run events (4 / 5 big BoX a day seems to be his limit). We don't know yet how he will do in an environment where you have days to prepare to your opponents (GSL type), but as he will go to Korea in december, we will see soon And to those who say he is not topX world wide : it is pretty much as meaningless as those who say he is topY world wide. Considering the volatility of the current SC2 scene(s), there is pretty much no point to build a global ranking. Only way to be credible would to name X players that would be favorite in a Bo5+ match against Stephano, and backup these names with previous results. And this, dear friends, would be hard to do to say the least Oh please you try to come off with a "realistic" view of Stephano but it's heavily coated with fanboyism. You conviently forget that STC and Boxer both won against Stephano in their 2nd showing, both Code A players. Alive, a low tier Code S terran decisively beat him too. Then you go on to say that a match between Stephano and someone like MVP can not be known but immediatly afterwards claim that MVP would not have an easy ride, suggesting that in fact you do "know" something about the result. Top X world wide implies inclusion of Koreans, and if you told everyone to create a "top 10 in the world" it would probably have almost all the same players, maybe even top 20(they'd probably also be all Koreans). You'd be highly delusional to think that Stephano is better than the high amount of very good Korean Terrans. The scene might be volatile but it's not anything like a sinus curve. This community has extremely short term memory and writes off every player that hasn't won a championship in the last month. You do not see the top tier Koreans or foreigners dropping sets like flies to every other player, please take into consideration that a 70% winrate is considering extremely good. You've probably already written me off as a "hater" but know that I think Stephano is a very good player,on par with Huk and Idra, but his fanboys overhype him to high heaven and aren't afraid to post it -.- | ||
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