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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
Budzlight
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States578 Posts
October 22 2011 21:36 GMT
#2281
If this shitty ass player keeps taking me back to day 1 while im trying to watch last nights vods ill hunt you down and piss on ya.
I was the 5% that voted for thorzain in the TSL for round 1
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
October 22 2011 21:36 GMT
#2282
DRG vs Naniwa while you wait:

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/compLexityGaming
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
MRMultiBryn
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden78 Posts
October 22 2011 21:36 GMT
#2283
Gogo Sen!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 22 2011 21:36 GMT
#2284
Sen's weakest against the best tvz out there

;-;
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Nash
Profile Joined October 2011
151 Posts
October 22 2011 21:36 GMT
#2285
On October 23 2011 06:34 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:28 Elean wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:04 JJH777 wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:02 Thurken wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:45 Sc2Null wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:44 cyclone25 wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:42 MasterKush wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:40 wats0n wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:39 Flowjo wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:35 wats0n wrote:
Nestea used Nerchio style in game 2. Same build order and everything.


Yea, I used Nerchio style to I guess cause I roach all in after 16 drones.... which is a standard all in. So I guess all the Zergs in the world all have Nerchio style to use when they wanna all in.


Guys (for everyone responding like you) learn to spot sarcasm...


Just the same as Ling/Infestor not being the "Stephano" build. He may play that style but it doesn't mean he owns it, which is why its annoying to hear commentators like Day9 throwing it out there.


I agree, ling/infestor was invented by Destiny actually.


actually it was used in the beta before muta/bling came into popularity.


He did not invent it. He was not the first pro player that used it. Players in the beta used similar strategies
But that's not really the point.
The point is that Stephano was the one that showed that this strategy was still viable against top players at this point of the game.
This do not imply that Nestea surely copied him, but it is possible that Nestea reconsidered this strategy after ipl3...


Considering Nestea used this exact strat and build against MVP in the ro8 of GSL a single day after IPL3 ended I highly doubt that. I highly doubt he even watched those games until after his match (if at all) he was definitely busy training to beat MVP.

So what ?
Stephano has been using this strat more than 2 months before IPL3, and since Nestea doesn't live in the US he should know about it.

It's Stephano who invented this strategy, and showed it is viable at the highest level, noone else.
Or maybe you can find a vod of someone getting a fast hive only to get adrenaline glands before Stephano ?

People saying this build existed in the beta are stupid, because the game was so much different that it's simply not possible to be the same build/strategy.



Just be quiet please. Do you really think Nestea just outright lied about stealing that build? He said he made it and I doubt he would care about giving credit to stephano if he really did steal it. People give credit to other players for their builds all the time in interviews. I guarantee he didn't even know who Stephano was before IPL3 and since he used it within a day of that ending there's no way he copied it.


its a JOKE if someone actually thinks nestea steals builds from stephano. i mean i know stephano is overhyped, but this is just insane.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
October 22 2011 21:36 GMT
#2286
On October 23 2011 06:34 zyzq wrote:
no zvz finals plz

You mean NvZ? The most imbalance match up ever.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 21:39:44
October 22 2011 21:36 GMT
#2287
On October 23 2011 06:28 Elean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:04 JJH777 wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:02 Thurken wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:45 Sc2Null wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:44 cyclone25 wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:42 MasterKush wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:40 wats0n wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:39 Flowjo wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:35 wats0n wrote:
Nestea used Nerchio style in game 2. Same build order and everything.


Yea, I used Nerchio style to I guess cause I roach all in after 16 drones.... which is a standard all in. So I guess all the Zergs in the world all have Nerchio style to use when they wanna all in.


Guys (for everyone responding like you) learn to spot sarcasm...


Just the same as Ling/Infestor not being the "Stephano" build. He may play that style but it doesn't mean he owns it, which is why its annoying to hear commentators like Day9 throwing it out there.


I agree, ling/infestor was invented by Destiny actually.


actually it was used in the beta before muta/bling came into popularity.


He did not invent it. He was not the first pro player that used it. Players in the beta used similar strategies
But that's not really the point.
The point is that Stephano was the one that showed that this strategy was still viable against top players at this point of the game.
This do not imply that Nestea surely copied him, but it is possible that Nestea reconsidered this strategy after ipl3...


Considering Nestea used this exact strat and build against MVP in the ro8 of GSL a single day after IPL3 ended I highly doubt that. I highly doubt he even watched those games until after his match (if at all) he was definitely busy training to beat MVP.

So what ?
Stephano has been using this strat more than 2 months before IPL3, and since Nestea doesn't live in the US he should know about it.

It's Stephano who invented this strategy, and showed it is viable at the highest level, noone else.
Or maybe you can find a vod of someone getting a fast hive only to get adrenaline glands before Stephano ?

People saying this build existed in the beta are stupid, because the game was so much different that it's simply not possible to be the same build/strategy.



Stephano didn't invent it or popularize it. Tons of people have been doing it in tournaments for months. I've even tried it on ladder. I'm garbage but that just shows how widespread it is. Stephano has gotten a reputation for using it a lot, that's a lot different than creating it.

As far as showing it at the highest level - I believe Dimaga used it against MVP many months ago. It doesn't get much higher level than using it against the best terran on the planet. (The game ended in a DC)

Edit: I also remember dimaga and TLO doing mass lings with upgrades and infestors against terran in the beta.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
October 22 2011 21:37 GMT
#2288
On October 23 2011 06:34 sitromit wrote:
I'm glad Naniwa lost, his lack of humility lately has been really grating. There's a difference between being confident and hard-working, and overestimating your skills and blaming it only on imbalance when you lose.


Yeah funny how he's the only one to say that lately.

Sad Nani lost. T_T
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
October 22 2011 21:37 GMT
#2289
On October 23 2011 06:34 sitromit wrote:
I'm glad Naniwa lost, his lack of humility lately has been really grating. There's a difference between being confident and hard-working, and overestimating your skills and blaming it only on imbalance when you lose.


I wouldn't say he blames it only on imbalance. He does claim that protoss is the worst race, but he is one of the players who hates on themselves the most. He is absolutely not satisfied at all with a loss, and he certainly doesn't always blame it on imbalance. It's one of his defining features, and it's really inspiring.
memes are a dish best served dank
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:37 GMT
#2290
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP
ypslala
Profile Joined April 2011
Burma545 Posts
October 22 2011 21:37 GMT
#2291
Naniwa Sen they didnt show? wtf why? is there a chance to see them on vod?
best SC2 game of aaaaaaall time: vibe vs avilo (don't miss the end!!): https://youtu.be/mygH92WzKV4
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:37 GMT
#2292
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP


1:10


Extractor trick from sen
HyperLimen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States278 Posts
October 22 2011 21:37 GMT
#2293
First time I saw infestor ling with mass ling upgrades was from TLO in the tounament in beta where it was country versus country.

I think he used it against Loner on blistering sands ?
TO THE BANK! - stephano
OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
October 22 2011 21:37 GMT
#2294
On October 23 2011 06:36 Budzlight wrote:
If this shitty ass player keeps taking me back to day 1 while im trying to watch last nights vods ill hunt you down and piss on ya.

Drag the timeline.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2295
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP


1:10


Extractor trick from sen


1:40


Barracks on the way from MVP now taking his gas
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2296
I don't think the GSL version of this map has these spawning positions. Can anyone confirm that?
InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2297
On October 23 2011 06:34 Roynalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:31 Nash wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:28 Elean wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:04 JJH777 wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:02 Thurken wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:45 Sc2Null wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:44 cyclone25 wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:42 MasterKush wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:40 wats0n wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:39 Flowjo wrote:
[quote]

Yea, I used Nerchio style to I guess cause I roach all in after 16 drones.... which is a standard all in. So I guess all the Zergs in the world all have Nerchio style to use when they wanna all in.


Guys (for everyone responding like you) learn to spot sarcasm...


Just the same as Ling/Infestor not being the "Stephano" build. He may play that style but it doesn't mean he owns it, which is why its annoying to hear commentators like Day9 throwing it out there.


I agree, ling/infestor was invented by Destiny actually.


actually it was used in the beta before muta/bling came into popularity.


He did not invent it. He was not the first pro player that used it. Players in the beta used similar strategies
But that's not really the point.
The point is that Stephano was the one that showed that this strategy was still viable against top players at this point of the game.
This do not imply that Nestea surely copied him, but it is possible that Nestea reconsidered this strategy after ipl3...


Considering Nestea used this exact strat and build against MVP in the ro8 of GSL a single day after IPL3 ended I highly doubt that. I highly doubt he even watched those games until after his match (if at all) he was definitely busy training to beat MVP.

So what ?
Stephano has been using this strat more than 2 months before IPL3, and since Nestea doesn't live in the US he should know about it.

It's Stephano who invented this strategy, and showed it is viable at the highest level, noone else.
Or maybe you can find a vod of someone getting a fast hive only to get adrenaline glands before Stephano ?

People saying this build existed in the beta are stupid, because the game was so much different that it's simply not possible to be the same build/strategy.



haha what? because nestea doesnt live in the US he should know about the strategy?

hello logic, meet window.


He means that ppl in USA are ignorant about starcraft scene at EU

And people in the EU are equally ignorant about the US one. That's what time zones do. How many people in Europe had heard of Gatored before IEM?
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2298
IM coach is at Blizzcon?
Excelle
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden200 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2299
Blizzcon 2010 SC2 event was so much better IMO... they cant do a worser event next year, they really cant.. Think i just have seen 1 match that i rly wanted to se.. all the other 6games i just had to sit and wait for results..

GL Sen u can beat the Korean player!
Starcraft2
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2300
pool just now going down for sen
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