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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2301
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP


1:10


Extractor trick from sen


1:40


Barracks on the way from MVP now taking his gas


2:30

Hatch first for sen followed by an extractor
Peksi
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland169 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2302
Blizzard is a fucking joke.

Let's hope Sen takes the whole thing.
It can't be helped. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2303
On October 23 2011 06:36 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:28 Elean wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:04 JJH777 wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:02 Thurken wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:45 Sc2Null wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:44 cyclone25 wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:42 MasterKush wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:40 wats0n wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:39 Flowjo wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:35 wats0n wrote:
Nestea used Nerchio style in game 2. Same build order and everything.


Yea, I used Nerchio style to I guess cause I roach all in after 16 drones.... which is a standard all in. So I guess all the Zergs in the world all have Nerchio style to use when they wanna all in.


Guys (for everyone responding like you) learn to spot sarcasm...


Just the same as Ling/Infestor not being the "Stephano" build. He may play that style but it doesn't mean he owns it, which is why its annoying to hear commentators like Day9 throwing it out there.


I agree, ling/infestor was invented by Destiny actually.


actually it was used in the beta before muta/bling came into popularity.


He did not invent it. He was not the first pro player that used it. Players in the beta used similar strategies
But that's not really the point.
The point is that Stephano was the one that showed that this strategy was still viable against top players at this point of the game.
This do not imply that Nestea surely copied him, but it is possible that Nestea reconsidered this strategy after ipl3...


Considering Nestea used this exact strat and build against MVP in the ro8 of GSL a single day after IPL3 ended I highly doubt that. I highly doubt he even watched those games until after his match (if at all) he was definitely busy training to beat MVP.

So what ?
Stephano has been using this strat more than 2 months before IPL3, and since Nestea doesn't live in the US he should know about it.

It's Stephano who invented this strategy, and showed it is viable at the highest level, noone else.
Or maybe you can find a vod of someone getting a fast hive only to get adrenaline glands before Stephano ?

People saying this build existed in the beta are stupid, because the game was so much different that it's simply not possible to be the same build/strategy.



Stephano didn't invent it or popularize it. Tons of people have been doing it in tournaments for months. I've even tried it on ladder. I'm garbage but that just shows how widespread it is. Stephano has gotten a reputation for using it a lot, that's a lot different than creating it.

As far as showing it at the highest level - I believe Dimaga used it against MVP many months ago. It doesn't get much higher level than using it against the best terran on the planet. (The game ended in a DC)


You've been trolled by our finest french product : the "I did it once so I invented it, you ignorant."-style. FUN FACT : France invented good football.
GIMME ALL THE BELGIAN WAFFLES I CAN GET FOR THIS MONEY !!!!!! BELGIAN WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEES
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2304
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP


1:10


Extractor trick from sen


1:40


Barracks on the way from MVP now taking his gas


2:30

Hatch first for sen followed by an extractor


3:00


Orbital for MVP

Pool on the way for Sen
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
October 22 2011 21:38 GMT
#2305
Antiga Shipyards spawning locations.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
October 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#2306
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP


1:10


Extractor trick from sen


OOH drazerk is LR'ing? Ok blizzard, forget the downtime and missed matches, forget the close positions, THIS GUY just legitimized your tournament.

GG!
memes are a dish best served dank
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
October 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#2307
On October 23 2011 06:36 Warrior Madness wrote:
DRG vs Naniwa while you wait:

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/compLexityGaming

Hahahah CatZ (I think) is an amazing caster ;p.
''Let's see if DRG has stim,
No he doesn't have stim,
He might forget stim,
Sometimes when I play terran I forget stim,
Because...
I just forget stim.''

Conversing with one-self, amazing :p.
It appears I have been chosen.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#2308
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP


1:10


Extractor trick from sen


1:40


Barracks on the way from MVP now taking his gas


2:30

Hatch first for sen followed by an extractor


3:00


Orbital for MVP

Pool on the way for Sen


3:30


Factory on the way for MVP
jungsu
Profile Joined February 2010
United States279 Posts
October 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#2309
my trivia site has sc2 games now? o.O
go nony
bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
October 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#2310
HOW THE F*** can blizzard not show Sen vs. Nani.... what a joke.
habbey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States405 Posts
October 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#2311
On October 23 2011 06:38 Meteora.GB wrote:
I don't think the GSL version of this map has these spawning positions. Can anyone confirm that?


i have no proof but my memory, i think they are allowed.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#2312
mvp starting his second CC
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
October 22 2011 21:40 GMT
#2313
Is this bo3 or 5?
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 22 2011 21:40 GMT
#2314
roach warren going down for sen
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:40 GMT
#2315
On October 23 2011 06:39 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP


1:10


Extractor trick from sen


1:40


Barracks on the way from MVP now taking his gas


2:30

Hatch first for sen followed by an extractor


3:00


Orbital for MVP

Pool on the way for Sen


3:30


Factory on the way for MVP


5:10


Roach warren and ling speed n the way for Sen

MVP is expanding and getting hellions
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
October 22 2011 21:40 GMT
#2316
On October 23 2011 06:38 InvalidID wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:34 Roynalf wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:31 Nash wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:28 Elean wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:04 JJH777 wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:02 Thurken wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:45 Sc2Null wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:44 cyclone25 wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:42 MasterKush wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:40 wats0n wrote:
[quote]

Guys (for everyone responding like you) learn to spot sarcasm...


Just the same as Ling/Infestor not being the "Stephano" build. He may play that style but it doesn't mean he owns it, which is why its annoying to hear commentators like Day9 throwing it out there.


I agree, ling/infestor was invented by Destiny actually.


actually it was used in the beta before muta/bling came into popularity.


He did not invent it. He was not the first pro player that used it. Players in the beta used similar strategies
But that's not really the point.
The point is that Stephano was the one that showed that this strategy was still viable against top players at this point of the game.
This do not imply that Nestea surely copied him, but it is possible that Nestea reconsidered this strategy after ipl3...


Considering Nestea used this exact strat and build against MVP in the ro8 of GSL a single day after IPL3 ended I highly doubt that. I highly doubt he even watched those games until after his match (if at all) he was definitely busy training to beat MVP.

So what ?
Stephano has been using this strat more than 2 months before IPL3, and since Nestea doesn't live in the US he should know about it.

It's Stephano who invented this strategy, and showed it is viable at the highest level, noone else.
Or maybe you can find a vod of someone getting a fast hive only to get adrenaline glands before Stephano ?

People saying this build existed in the beta are stupid, because the game was so much different that it's simply not possible to be the same build/strategy.



haha what? because nestea doesnt live in the US he should know about the strategy?

hello logic, meet window.


He means that ppl in USA are ignorant about starcraft scene at EU

And people in the EU are equally ignorant about the US one. That's what time zones do. How many people in Europe had heard of Gatored before IEM?

I did .

And not many people have been hyping Gatored up, Stephano though has gotten quite a lot of hype, and rightfully so !
It appears I have been chosen.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
October 22 2011 21:40 GMT
#2317
Let's go sen!
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 22 2011 21:41 GMT
#2318
Nooo, not Automaton!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:41 GMT
#2319
On October 23 2011 06:40 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:39 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:37 Drazerk wrote:
(Z)Sen vs (T)MVP

Game One on Antiga Shipyard

In the bottom right location is Sen

While in the bottom left is MVP


1:10


Extractor trick from sen


1:40


Barracks on the way from MVP now taking his gas


2:30

Hatch first for sen followed by an extractor


3:00


Orbital for MVP

Pool on the way for Sen


3:30


Factory on the way for MVP


5:10


Roach warren and ling speed n the way for Sen

MVP is expanding and getting hellions


6:50


Tank production started for MVP as sen makes a lot of roaches
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 21:43:54
October 22 2011 21:41 GMT
#2320
On October 23 2011 06:29 Ph4ZeD wrote:
Blizzard's mistake was to assume that every battle.net region was equal, and thus invited 2 players from each region. Of course, they aren't equal, and fantastic players from KR/EU/US were left out to make room for token appearances.


People will always find something to whine about I mean seriously -_- You can complain about the mappools and the weird stream decisions, but giving more regions a chance can only be good thing. If you want to watch your normal KR/EU/Huk/Idra tournaments there is one ongoing at the moment. I feel it's great that Blizzard try to really globalize their tournament more and give other regions a chance too.

The same is true in many other sports. Sure Otelul won't be providing miracles in the champions league, but damn it's fun to have an unknown team just be there and hell if they pull an upset everyone is happy.

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