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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
On October 18 2011 00:48 InvalidID wrote: I don't think he is as terrible as you think. This MLG he beat Slush and Tyler and took a game off of Hero. Definitely not top tier, but not exactly a complete walkover. But Tyler is terrible as well and Slush is just average (compared to MLG standards) | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On October 18 2011 04:19 Ladnil wrote: This might not be the thread to ask it, but I'm going to anyway. When people win Code S or Code A spots, are they essentially taking away a spot that someone in Korea would/could have had? If not, how is their tournament formatted to allow for the additional players? There is x amount of players going through the code b qualifiers. Now it's x - invites going through. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On October 17 2011 23:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: It's not that the banelings were a mistake. That was fine. It was the fact that Idra decided to attack when he should have just turtled to 200/200 after MC refused to attack in his only window of opportunity. Idra basically gave him the game. Uh, what game did you watch? IdrA was quite a bit behind after the third was sniped and only managed to stay somewhat in the game due to sneaking a hidden fourth when MC decided not to finish him and instead play a macro game. IdrA did attempt to attack several times and MC held while securing his fourth and got to max. He had every tech choice available to counter if IdrA went hydra or infestors and IdrA has bad infestor control. In the final battle both were maxed, or at least MC was and he attacked. Seeing the composition he was against MC went blink stalker/high templar which counters mass roach + baneling bomb + potential infestors (even though IdrA didn't use overlord drops) and MC won quite easily. IdrA was outclassed pretty hard, he needs to work on his ZvP (maybe go for a more muta-centric style since he's generally amazing with them versus terran and he likes them in ZvZ despite the risk of fungal). Him picking Dual Sight is practically a free win for any zerg. You'll notice they ALWAYS pick it whenever possible. | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:18 Heavenly wrote: Uh, what game did you watch? IdrA was quite a bit behind after the third was sniped and only managed to stay somewhat in the game due to sneaking a hidden fourth when MC decided not to finish him and instead play a macro game. IdrA did attempt to attack several times and MC held while securing his fourth and got to max. He had every tech choice available to counter if IdrA went hydra or infestors and IdrA has bad infestor control. In the final battle both were maxed, or at least MC was and he attacked. Seeing the composition he was against MC went blink stalker/high templar which counters mass roach + baneling bomb + potential infestors (even though IdrA didn't use overlord drops) and MC won quite easily. IdrA was outclassed pretty hard, he needs to work on his ZvP (maybe go for a more muta-centric style since he's generally amazing with them versus terran and he likes them in ZvZ despite the risk of fungal). Him picking Dual Sight is practically a free win for any zerg. You'll notice they ALWAYS pick it whenever possible. Ya... he was lucky to be in the game... he was far from "giving it away" | ||
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
IdrA was outclassed pretty hard, he needs to work on his ZvP (maybe go for a more muta-centric style since he's generally amazing with them versus terran and he likes them in ZvZ despite the risk of fungal). Him picking Dual Sight is practically a free win for any zerg. You'll notice they ALWAYS pick it whenever possible. Sadly this. His Z v T has gotten pretty insane over the past few months, but I just don't like how he plays Z v P. It's just silly to rely on bad macro from your opponent like he did against Elfi in IEM (He almost always went roach / hydra / corruptor against standard toss deathball compositions.) Thankfully Elfi didn't reinforce well in that game on Terminus, otherwise I'm sure Idra would have lost. His style is just too ineffective against some of the best protosses in the world, and personally I'd like to see him utilize more infestor play against protoss toward the late game. Personally, I think if he adopted Morrow or Stephano's Z v P style, and got good at it, he could shake up code S without too many problems. TL;DR Idra's Z v P is holding him back greatly. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Chylo
United States220 Posts
Idra needed to drop multiple locations in 1st game, and he was just totally surprised in the 3rd game, he needed to make units way earlier, he had literally nothing at that point and it was well into the game. Nestea makes units at 8:30 fairly heavily after 3 hatches, you cannot go up to 75 drones safely, you have to hold at 50 or so. I've seen idra lose to this multiple times when the protoss hides their tech or units on shakuras. He saturates 3 bases and doesn't make units because he doesn't see anything coming. I've seen him lose to big air play and other sneaky things. I mean come on Idra, at 12 minutes into the game the toss obviously has something going on, you can't just sit on zero units. Once you deal with whatever the protoss is doing you can instantly hit 80 drones or more and you win. He still played really well and was amazing to watch. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On October 17 2011 23:46 Hikko wrote: If there wasn't an extended series, Huk would have just won 2-0. Every match, including the grand finals, is a Bo3, unless there is an extended series for a second meeting, where it goes to Bo7. Oh. Didn't know the finals were just a Bo3.. Thought it was a Bo5 or Bo7. My bad.. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On October 18 2011 04:27 MapleLeafSirup wrote: But Tyler is terrible as well and Slush is just average (compared to MLG standards) Imagine a Code A with Machine AND Idra. Idra could probably get away with playing for both of them | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On October 18 2011 08:29 Shellshock1122 wrote: Imagine a Code A with Machine AND Idra. Idra could probably get away with playing for both of them I think you just revealed EG master plan!!! Speaking of chin beards, is Ret growing on right now? He has something going on around that chin. Also, I'm glad that the TLO is outdoing everyone. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
On October 18 2011 00:24 McFeser wrote: Puma cannot get the code A spot for the same reason HerO couldn't last MLG. Unless Puma is living permantently in US where going to the code A qualifyiers is unreasonable, then GSL doesn't accept their performance here as an indication for anything. For the there cutoff they said they have to be a play for a pro korean team. Quote from the Gom guy On August 01 2011 13:55 JunkkaGom wrote: I guess in this case 'Korean' would mean a player in Korean pro team EG is for sure not a Korean pro team so puma would be eligible for a code A spot. I dont know if liquid is considered a korean team since they are merged with ogs so that is why hero cant get one maybe. | ||
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MLG Deimos
United States652 Posts
Beta stream VOD will be up soon | ||
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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
On October 18 2011 09:57 MLG Deimos wrote: MLG Orlando VOD is up: http://t.co/l7KI9H1D Beta stream VOD will be up soon yay thanks! | ||
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Djiffit
Finland18 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On October 18 2011 04:26 McFeser wrote: Does anyone know what the viewership numbers were like for MLG? I have to imagine it would be an alltime high (Or should have been). Sundance tweeted that previous MLG viewership numbers have been crapped on by MLG Orlando's numbers didn't state a specific number though wouldn't be surprised if the concurrent viewership numbers peaked during Idra vs Boxer + Bomber | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:39 Pillage wrote: Sadly this. His Z v T has gotten pretty insane over the past few months, but I just don't like how he plays Z v P. It's just silly to rely on bad macro from your opponent like he did against Elfi in IEM (He almost always went roach / hydra / corruptor against standard toss deathball compositions.) Thankfully Elfi didn't reinforce well in that game on Terminus, otherwise I'm sure Idra would have lost. His style is just too ineffective against some of the best protosses in the world, and personally I'd like to see him utilize more infestor play against protoss toward the late game. Personally, I think if he adopted Morrow or Stephano's Z v P style, and got good at it, he could shake up code S without too many problems. TL;DR Idra's Z v P is holding him back greatly. Thing is, Stephano plays roach hydra corruptor. He just it miles better. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 18 2011 09:00 Quintum_ wrote: For the there cutoff they said they have to be a play for a pro korean team. Quote from the Gom guy EG is for sure not a Korean pro team so puma would be eligible for a code A spot. I dont know if liquid is considered a korean team since they are merged with ogs so that is why hero cant get one maybe. No, Puma is not eligible for the code A spot. Same goes for Hero. This was found out after Raleigh were Puma and Hero finished high enough to get it, but because they are based in Koreans based in Korea, they are ineligible for the Code A spot. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On October 18 2011 15:20 udgnim wrote: Sundance tweeted that previous MLG viewership numbers have been crapped on by MLG Orlando's numbers didn't state a specific number though wouldn't be surprised if the concurrent viewership numbers peaked during Idra vs Boxer + Bomber At one point Sundance said it was at 145k concurrent. Probably hit a bit higher. I think he said they were above 100k for most of the weekend. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On October 18 2011 16:21 jmbthirteen wrote: At one point Sundance said it was at 145k concurrent. Probably hit a bit higher. I think he said they were above 100k for most of the weekend. OMG that is amazing! I think the last MLG had like 60-70k viewers? At least, the last MLG that had an active viewer counter on the screen. I would be pretty awesome if the next MLG (Next month) could hit over 200k. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 18 2011 05:18 Heavenly wrote: Uh, what game did you watch? IdrA was quite a bit behind after the third was sniped and only managed to stay somewhat in the game due to sneaking a hidden fourth when MC decided not to finish him and instead play a macro game. IdrA did attempt to attack several times and MC held while securing his fourth and got to max. He had every tech choice available to counter if IdrA went hydra or infestors and IdrA has bad infestor control. In the final battle both were maxed, or at least MC was and he attacked. Seeing the composition he was against MC went blink stalker/high templar which counters mass roach + baneling bomb + potential infestors (even though IdrA didn't use overlord drops) and MC won quite easily. IdrA was outclassed pretty hard, he needs to work on his ZvP (maybe go for a more muta-centric style since he's generally amazing with them versus terran and he likes them in ZvZ despite the risk of fungal). Him picking Dual Sight is practically a free win for any zerg. You'll notice they ALWAYS pick it whenever possible. Since when did losing a base but none of your drones means that you're behind? What I'm saying is Idra should have never attacked the first time to begin with. After he lost that base, Idra should have just turtled to 200/200 because MC was going to be down bases since Idra took quick hidden expos. Instead, Idra just decided to keep flinging units and engaging in unfavorable positions until he lost. | ||
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