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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 14 2011 20:39 GMT
#2061
On October 15 2011 05:36 Chewbacca. wrote:
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On October 15 2011 05:34 windsupernova wrote:
I hate Mutas when I play P >__<

Penixes really need to do some kind of splash damage


You've got to be kidding me, phoenix already destroy mutas unless they are greatly outnumbered. Archons/Templar are protoss's AOE method of dealing with muta.


Not going to discuss this further as is it off topic, but unless you opened stargate you will always be outnumbered in Phoenix vs Muta fights.

Archons suck vs Mutas. Storm is good
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
October 14 2011 20:39 GMT
#2062
On October 15 2011 05:36 Talin wrote:
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On October 15 2011 05:35 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:32 Asha` wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:31 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
eh its soooo hard to watch this tournament the lack of chemistry and knowledge of the game behind the casters is aggravating. Does anyone else notice this or am i just being too critical? I feel like if you are going to cast you should have the knowledge of each race in the game equivalent to grand masters knowledge in order to cast big tournaments.


lol, Rotterdam is more knowledgable than almost any other caster, and plays the game at a higher level than virtually anyone else casting regularly.

Bitter for his part is a very competent high masters Zerg...

===

Killer forced into an all in, don't like his chances in this


yea yea thats true. But like even what mr.bitter just said "oh he's building a manner hatch in killers base. No that was completely wrong.


It was a joke, at least I took it as such.

Pretty sure he's aware of what the concept of base race entails...

It's also conceivable that Bitters made a mistake. Saying one thing wrong during an hours long broadcast isn't a good reason to declare that a caster is lacking in knowledge of the game (especially for someone who's pretty well known to be a high-level player).
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Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
October 14 2011 20:39 GMT
#2063
On October 15 2011 05:37 JayJay_90 wrote:
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On October 15 2011 05:31 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
eh its soooo hard to watch this tournament the lack of chemistry and knowledge of the game behind the casters is aggravating. Does anyone else notice this or am i just being too critical? I feel like if you are going to cast you should have the knowledge of each race in the game equivalent to grand masters knowledge in order to cast big tournaments.

your post is so wrong T.T
i think they work really well together. and about their knowledge: rotterdam is probably the most skilled full time caster and bitter is pretty good aswell (high master i think).

Yeah, pretty sure both are masters, Protoss(Rotterdam) and Zerg(Bitter).
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
October 14 2011 20:39 GMT
#2064
On October 15 2011 05:38 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:36 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:34 windsupernova wrote:
I hate Mutas when I play P >__<

Penixes really need to do some kind of splash damage


You've got to be kidding me, phoenix already destroy mutas unless they are greatly outnumbered. Archons/Templar are protoss's AOE method of dealing with muta.


Mutas will allways outnumber Phoenix and are way more useful overall.


That may be true, but if phoenixes had AOE mutas would be completely useless considering how much damage phoenix already do to them.
R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
October 14 2011 20:40 GMT
#2065
rofl at people calling rotterdam has no game knowledge
he plays top EU level without regular practise. if anything its his gameknowledge which keeps him up there. also Rotti and Bitter are like best friends so stop saying they hate eachother T,t
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 14 2011 20:40 GMT
#2066
On October 15 2011 05:37 rareh wrote:
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On October 14 2011 20:38 Za7oX wrote:
On October 14 2011 20:28 Eee wrote:
On October 14 2011 18:56 Za7oX wrote:
On October 14 2011 12:59 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2011 12:51 Waxangel wrote:
Would it kill IEM to have two SC II streams?

I know, we miss so many matches T_T

Anyway, I want MaNa to win this whole thing!!!!

Edit: Does TOP not have to play TT1?

You also have Edge vs Axslav twice XD


Sometimes Mr Bitter and Rotterdam choose different matches to cast on main stage depending of the importance of the match ( if someone needs to win a game to get top 2 in a group, compared to if the other game is 2 people going 0-2 or something).

I think when the next season starts Carmac will try to get intel and the other sponsors to put more money into IEM. If they don't they might get left behind compared to what MLG and other tournaments are putting out.


Are you serious!?
IEM is putting far more money than mlg they have a bigger price pool at their circuit events and at their grand finals. Please don't post bs like that if you don't even have an idea of what you're talking about.


I said when the next IEM season starts which is in 2012 when MLG plan to have $1.5 million for sc2


MLG also "planned" to increase the prizepool by a lot this year according to what was established prior to that statement and they failed to deliver.

Take their words with a grain of salt.

I am not trying to hate on mlg or something, but sundance sure loves to hype stuff even though it might not happen.

So MLG doubling the normal pro circuit (went from $7,000 to $14,000) event prize pools and having a $120,000 prize pool at the National Championship vs the $17,000 of last year isn't a substantial increase?
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 20:42:14
October 14 2011 20:40 GMT
#2067
On October 15 2011 05:38 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:34 windsupernova wrote:
I hate Mutas when I play P >__<

Penixes really need to do some kind of splash damage


yea penixes tho? but maybe they should just launch nukes per attack and destroy muta balls in one shot........ Phoenix micro if u know how to micro can endlessly kite mutas. Unless u r a noob and dunno how to micro and just 1a ur phoenix into the mutas then yes u should lose all ur mutas


You're right, but no need to be an ass about it. -_-

Mutalisks are still very dangerous against a Protoss that doesn't open Phoenixes (or even a Stargate) and you have to play a catch up game with them. It's definitely not an autowin for the reactive Protoss in that scenario, it's nowhere near.

However, no changes to Phoenixes is needed imo, it's normal for a race to be on the back foot in some scenarios.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
October 14 2011 20:40 GMT
#2068
On October 15 2011 05:38 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:36 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:34 windsupernova wrote:
I hate Mutas when I play P >__<

Penixes really need to do some kind of splash damage


You've got to be kidding me, phoenix already destroy mutas unless they are greatly outnumbered. Archons/Templar are protoss's AOE method of dealing with muta.


Mutas will allways outnumber Phoenix and are way more useful overall.


What?????? Phoenix's are baller. They completely counter mutas 100% All you have to do is constnatly harrass the muta's and keep the muta count low its not really that hard. I could crush mutas even if they have 2x as many Phoenix microing phoenix is sooooo easily and clearly when u charge mutas with phoenix they going to turn around and try to attakc phoenix just micro and be ready for that and pull back muta's CANNOT retreat from phoenix they are not fast enough
JD, need I say more? :D
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
October 14 2011 20:41 GMT
#2069
On October 15 2011 05:35 Warrice wrote:
I know it won't fix it the issue, but TT1 will get top 4 prize money regardless of his results in the tournament.- carmac on twitter
Manly decision by IEM, like it a lot. I think this resolves the most pressing issue, which is that one player thought he won his place in the next stage.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
October 14 2011 20:41 GMT
#2070
On October 15 2011 05:39 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:37 JayJay_90 wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:31 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
eh its soooo hard to watch this tournament the lack of chemistry and knowledge of the game behind the casters is aggravating. Does anyone else notice this or am i just being too critical? I feel like if you are going to cast you should have the knowledge of each race in the game equivalent to grand masters knowledge in order to cast big tournaments.

your post is so wrong T.T
i think they work really well together. and about their knowledge: rotterdam is probably the most skilled full time caster and bitter is pretty good aswell (high master i think).

Yeah, pretty sure both are masters, Protoss(Rotterdam) and Zerg(Bitter).

Rotti was GM with Protoss even
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 20:41:31
October 14 2011 20:41 GMT
#2071
Any Z or P have thoughts on Muta ling in ZvP? I'm starting to think it's more efficacious than roach corrupter. The transition is normally to ultra, not broodlord, which isn't quite as strong, but \base racing with zergling muta works so well because they have such insane dps if unopposed.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1773 Posts
October 14 2011 20:41 GMT
#2072
On October 15 2011 05:38 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:37 ssg wrote:
I kind of missed the end, but didn't Killer have a favorable army there at the end or no? He still more than likely would have lost, but seems like he should have played it out.


He had 2 buildings left on the map with the entire zerg army attacking them and his army was across the map? Wasn't going to play that out.

Okay thanks.
ShakaDEVIRGO
Profile Joined May 2011
Mexico106 Posts
October 14 2011 20:41 GMT
#2073
On October 15 2011 05:38 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:34 windsupernova wrote:
I hate Mutas when I play P >__<

Penixes really need to do some kind of splash damage


yea penixes tho? but maybe they should just launch nukes per attack and destroy muta balls in one shot........ Phoenix micro if u know how to micro can endlessly kite mutas. Unless u r a noob and dunno how to micro and just 1a ur phoenix into the mutas then yes u should lose all ur mutas


actually in bigger numbers is better just to a move because if a muta ball manages to get one shot you will lose all your phoenix cause of clumping
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
October 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#2074
Sang-ho!! gogogog!!
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blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
October 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#2075
If SangHo pulled his probes, the game might have been interesting. His composition looked stronger than FruitDealer's during that time.
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Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
October 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#2076
Why would you play greedy against Fruitdealer?
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
October 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#2077
On October 15 2011 05:40 LaGTTBloodThirsty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 05:38 s3rp wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:36 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 15 2011 05:34 windsupernova wrote:
I hate Mutas when I play P >__<

Penixes really need to do some kind of splash damage


You've got to be kidding me, phoenix already destroy mutas unless they are greatly outnumbered. Archons/Templar are protoss's AOE method of dealing with muta.


Mutas will allways outnumber Phoenix and are way more useful overall.


What?????? Phoenix's are baller. They completely counter mutas 100% All you have to do is constnatly harrass the muta's and keep the muta count low its not really that hard. I could crush mutas even if they have 2x as many Phoenix microing phoenix is sooooo easily and clearly when u charge mutas with phoenix they going to turn around and try to attakc phoenix just micro and be ready for that and pull back muta's CANNOT retreat from phoenix they are not fast enough


Also Storming then chasing with pheonix makes mutas just evaporate.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
October 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#2078
The HongUn defense
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
October 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#2079
lol Artosis pylon.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
October 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#2080
The great wall of Killer
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
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