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Keep enjoying the games. In advance, if you OP whine, see you in a while. If you post well, hopefully see a lot more of you :D <3 | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:27 iamke55 wrote: Well said. Puma is a guy who has never ever qualified for even code A, and probably will never play in the GSL ever. At the end of the year, more people will remember Jinro than him. Hell, even Clide will probably be a more familiar name than Puma when we look back on SC2 in the future. PuMa also won an IEM straight after and performed strongly in the last MLG. Dunno wtf you talking about son. | ||
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MyNameIsAlex
Greece827 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:25 Dawski wrote: non-korean? i wasnt a wc3 follower outside of grubby/moon matches on youtube but wernt most best wc3 players chinese? nope when wc3 was on its prime the best players were koreans. the only eu player that was on even ground with them was grubby after 06 or so, and from the chinese players there were sky and xiaot. and maybe a couple others but not so dominant. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote: The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team. Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot. He's definitely code A level, but there's a lot of players in code A who deserve spots over some of the older code S players right now. Doesn't take anything away from how awesome idra was in that series, but I agree with this. Puma is good, but, I never really considered him top tier in any of the match ups, not even tvt which was supposedly some of the best in the world. He got way to much hype because of artosis and by being a practice partner with Flash. I think he's code A, could probably even get code S if he worked at it for 2-3 seasons, but I don't think he's big at all. edit: he did actually play july though | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:24 usethis2 wrote: WC3 was ALL micro. There was no "macro" to speak of. I mean, most of the games you put 5 workers at gold at the beginning and that's the end of "macro". That's why moon was so good, he combined macro and micro to win that game (mass expands)... that being said the micro wasn't ridiculous in WC3, the game moved a lot slower than in SC2 so it's more forgiving. A guy with 100 APM in WC3 could do a lot more than a guy with 100 APM in SC2 generally (obviously Elfi/Goody have proven to be the exceptions) | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:27 Medrea wrote: I think people say Revival is bad because of that one game he played in the Super Tournament. The game that was so bad the observer had to pause the game because it was so horrible. To be fair, that was one of the most awful games I've ever seen. It was strangely exciting tho, not knowing who would stuff up the most. | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:24 Cyrak wrote: This thread reminds me of something Milkis translated on twitter from PlayXP which was to the effect of "foreigners can't read games". Did that series actually strike people as a high level display of cutting edge ZvT? I think that GSL has just spoiled me too much at this point or something. I think you are one of those people on the internet who sees something good and says, "no, if other people like it, clearly it sucked." They say, "wow! she's hot!" you say, "no she's really normal looking at best." They say, "wow great exciting games." you say, "they played bad." They say, "It's exciting a foreigner will win this tournament which had a pretty good contingent of Koreans!" you say, "No it's not because the Koreans who played in this tournament were bad as evidenced by the fact they lost." It was an intense series with a lot of multitasking and constant action. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:27 iamke55 wrote: Well said. Puma is a guy who has never ever qualified for even code A, and probably will never play in the GSL ever. At the end of the year, more people will remember Jinro than him. Hell, even Clide will probably be a more familiar name than Puma when we look back on SC2 in the future. Only because Clide is the most handsome nerd baller ever. He totally deserves the reward from this event too. | ||
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samd
United States77 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:27 iAmBiGbiRd wrote: Was going to be pedantic and mention some CHinese guys but i know what you meant  Off that list though i would probably add HoT and i'll get back to you with others Ah Hot, definitely add him to the legend list. | ||
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ScaringKids
Portugal819 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:21 EliteReplay wrote: as i told before is seem to me that there is a match fix in Puma vs Idra... let suppose idra lose and get matched vs hasuobs, he will lose to hasuobs that is pretty good vs Zerg he beated dimaga, and puma have a better chance to win agaings hasuobs since his TvP is......1/1/1 so there is a match fix there, no room for idra beating straight u puma no way. I really do hope u get PERMA BAN. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
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P3rytt
137 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote: Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway. Good for IdrA though, he's playing about the level you would expect from him. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, I don't think he was slumping bad but if you have a 50% chance of winning a series, sometimes you'll get the bad end more often than expected. What you don't get is that most people are just happy Idra won against the odds versus a very good korean player now if you don't think Puma is good I'm not sure what to tell you but writing a novel about his past 5 tournaments doesn't make you any less of a hater lol just go. | ||
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:27 iamke55 wrote: Well said. Puma is a guy who has never ever qualified for even code A, and probably will never play in the GSL ever. At the end of the year, more people will remember Jinro than him. Hell, even Clide will probably be a more familiar name than Puma when we look back on SC2 in the future. But he's Korean lalalala I don't care  Looking forward to the finals though. I really hope Idra shows some good ZvP. | ||
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ExquisiteRed
396 Posts
Yep its shit like this why I never read the LR threads here anymore. | ||
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WeMadeFoxer
Finland51 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:26 garlicface wrote: rofl, way to jump on anybody who's bothered replying to you tonight. Time to apply my rage blocker. This might be a difficult final two-three hours. Lol you just did the same thing. You dont need a rage blocker just thicker skin - youre on the internet. Btw, Im not actually sure how you took my post as an angry attack but whatever. And youre in a live thread, not sure if its realistic to expect people not to reply, especially when you say something so stupid. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11112 Posts
That said I don't know how to feel. I feel pretty happy for Idra as I used to be an idrafan, but what he has said lately and idrafans I'm kinda in the meh camp. Still this was an awesome achievement for Idra. For a long time it seemed that he was in honesty a loser. Someone without the belief to win. This was a major victory. Caveat as it will, IF idra goes on to do as he should and win the tournament this will be a massive feather in his cap. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:28 MyNameIsAlex wrote: nope when wc3 was on its prime the best players were koreans. the only eu player that was on even ground with them was grubby after 06 or so, and from the chinese players there were sky and xiaot. and maybe a couple others but not so dominant. Well you have Creo who was arguably the best player for a very short period of time, ToD was dominant. Obviously Moon and FoV are up there, and Sweet/Check/Susi/Luci/Lyn/Remind (dunno if I'm forgetting anyone), but the disparity was never as big as it is in SC2. Grubby was better than all of those except Moon, and personally I think Sky is the 3rd best player of all-time. Which makes it one Korean (Moon) in the top 3. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
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raaaiiiii
United States89 Posts
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