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On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know. In other news, now I think a protoss can win this! Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time. You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL. The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team. Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.
Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.
Good for IdrA though, he's playing about the level you would expect from him. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, I don't think he was slumping bad but if you have a 50% chance of winning a series, sometimes you'll get the bad end more often than expected.
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On October 04 2011 14:10 Highways wrote:
To be fair to Slasher, the Koreans sent were pretty rubbish:
Revival - Code B.
Rain - Terrible.
JYP - Decent, but lost against Puma (PvT is close to impossible atm).
Puma - Hasn't looked as good since joining EG
Shit on all the Koreans why don't you.
saying revival is terrible ONLY cause hes Code B (some of the best Koreans are in code B), and saying Rain is terrible for NO reason makes you look like a complete douchebag .Hope you realize that. Also didn't puma win Gamescom convincingly
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On October 04 2011 14:23 samd wrote:
LOL, the term legend gets thrown around a little too easily these days. Elfi was a high level player, but I wouldn't call him a wc3 legend. I would reserve non-Korean legend status for grubby, tod, insomnia, creo, heman, fatc, madfrog, deadman, shortround and maybe a few others.
non-korean? i wasnt a wc3 follower outside of grubby/moon matches on youtube but wernt most best wc3 players chinese?
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On October 04 2011 14:20 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:05 Kroml. wrote:Mr.Bitter : Game 1 bla bla what do you say Idra : Analysis and his gameplan Mr.Bitter: *Nods* *Nods* Awesome stuff man Mr.Bitter : Game 2 bla bla what do you say Idra : Very exciting didnt expect to win but win Mr.Bitter : *Nods* *Nods* Awesome stuff man Mr.Bitter : Gmae 3 bla bala Idra : bla bla Mr.Bitter: Co- *voice lost* -ol man.. I bet Mr . Bitter didn't actually understand any word of what idra said during whole interview  This is actually true. My headset stopped working  Sorry about that. I usually try to do better with my interviews.
Shit happens, you're both doing great and the casts are electrifying and extremely entertaining.
P.S.: Idra hates hugs man, he thinks they're weird 
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Lol I managed to miss most of the games but it sounds like a good time was had by all. I'm sure Puma can survive without another giant check guys and it sounds like he put up a decent fight in most of his series vs Idra? I'm also pleased to see Idra returning to form and I think he has a good shot at winning this if he can keep his nerves in check.
I am sad that Elfi beat Hasu as I know little about Elfi and don't know how I should feel about him in the finals other than 'Yay protoss.'
In regards to the finals themselves I'm hoping for a tough nailbiter series as blowouts are boring as fuck and remind me of the gsl.
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On October 04 2011 14:17 Tewks44 wrote:next game starts at 1:30 AM for me. I have to wake up at 8:45 AM tomorrow. Poll: What Should I do?Screw it! Stay up and watch the entire tournament (53) 77% Go to sleep now. It's late and I have things to do (11) 16% Watch a few games, but go to sleep before the finals (5) 7% 69 total votes Your vote: What Should I do? (Vote): Go to sleep now. It's late and I have things to do
(Vote): Watch a few games, but go to sleep before the finals
(Vote): Screw it! Stay up and watch the entire tournament
I'm in the same situation, ill watch the looser's final then i go to bed
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On October 04 2011 14:24 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:21 garlicface wrote:On October 04 2011 14:20 Angelbelow wrote:
I beat Demulism is really wishing that his visa problems went away. He probably would have done really well if he attended this tourney. Uh... I bet Demu is just happy his teammate is crushing nerds. Yeah, because hes a completely selfless individual right? And you can still be happy for your teammates if youre at the event itself. I think demuslim would have done well at this tournament, therefore, he probably regrets his visa situation.
rofl, way to jump on anybody who's bothered replying to you tonight.
Time to apply my rage blocker. This might be a difficult final two-three hours.
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On October 04 2011 14:21 EliteReplay wrote:
as i told before is seem to me that there is a match fix in Puma vs Idra... let suppose idra lose and get matched vs hasuobs, he will lose to hasuobs that is pretty good vs Zerg he beated dimaga,
and puma have a better chance to win agaings hasuobs since his TvP is......1/1/1
so there is a match fix there, no room for idra beating straight u puma no way.
Are you REALLY accusing idra and puma of match fixing? Really?
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On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know. In other news, now I think a protoss can win this! Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time. You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL. The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team. Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot. Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.
You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.
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On October 04 2011 14:23 samd wrote:
LOL, the term legend gets thrown around a little too easily these days. Elfi was a high level player, but I wouldn't call him a wc3 legend. I would reserve non-Korean legend status for grubby, tod, insomnia, creo, heman, fatc, madfrog, deadman, shortround and maybe a few others.
Creo above all!
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On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know. In other news, now I think a protoss can win this! Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time. You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL. The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team. Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot. He's definitely code A level, but there's a lot of players in code A who deserve spots over some of the older code S players right now.
Is it really that hard to do your research?
Puma did in fact play against July, Ret as well. You typed up a big summary which may or may not be good but your credibility is lost in your first sentence.
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On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know. In other news, now I think a protoss can win this! Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time. You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL. The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team. Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot. He's definitely code A level, but there's a lot of players in code A who deserve spots over some of the older code S players right now.
He did play vs July and won 3-1
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On October 04 2011 14:24 Cyrak wrote:
This thread reminds me of something Milkis translated on twitter from PlayXP which was to the effect of "foreigners can't read games".
Did that series actually strike people as a high level display of cutting edge ZvT? I think that GSL has just spoiled me too much at this point or something.
Who the fk cares. They were exciting games.
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On October 04 2011 14:25 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:10 Highways wrote:
To be fair to Slasher, the Koreans sent were pretty rubbish:
Revival - Code B.
Rain - Terrible.
JYP - Decent, but lost against Puma (PvT is close to impossible atm).
Puma - Hasn't looked as good since joining EG Shit on all the Koreans why don't you. saying revival is terrible ONLY cause hes Code B (some of the best Koreans are in code B), and saying Rain is terrible for NO reason makes you look like a complete douchebag .Hope you realize that. Also didn't puma win Gamescom convincingly
I think people say Revival is bad because of that one game he played in the Super Tournament. The game that was so bad the observer had to pause the game because it was so horrible.
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On October 04 2011 14:25 Dawski wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:23 samd wrote:
LOL, the term legend gets thrown around a little too easily these days. Elfi was a high level player, but I wouldn't call him a wc3 legend. I would reserve non-Korean legend status for grubby, tod, insomnia, creo, heman, fatc, madfrog, deadman, shortround and maybe a few others. non-korean? i wasnt a wc3 follower outside of grubby/moon matches on youtube but wernt most best wc3 players chinese?
Yeah I guess later in wc3 they were, but during the time that I watched it not really at all. Koreans were still the most dominant until '06-07 by a good amount.
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On October 04 2011 14:09 Cyrak wrote:
Puma is like the quintessential construct of the Artosis hype machine. He has no significant accomplishments outside his one miracle series vs. MC at NASL. He can still play an abusive TvP in a matchup where T enjoys a 70%+ win rate in Korea, but what he showed here today was not even Code A level play.
Today's match should deflate the hype a bit, but I'm sure it won't.
Well said. Puma is a guy who has never ever qualified for even code A, and probably will never play in the GSL ever. At the end of the year, more people will remember Jinro than him. Hell, even Clide will probably be a more familiar name than Puma when we look back on SC2 in the future.
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On October 04 2011 14:23 samd wrote:
LOL, the term legend gets thrown around a little too easily these days. Elfi was a high level player, but I wouldn't call him a wc3 legend. I would reserve non-Korean legend status for grubby, tod, insomnia, creo, heman, fatc, madfrog, deadman, shortround and maybe a few others.
Was going to be pedantic and mention some CHinese guys but i know what you meant
Off that list though i would probably add HoT and i'll get back to you with others
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On October 04 2011 14:25 ladyumbra wrote:
In regards to the finals themselves I'm hoping for a tough nailbiter series as blowouts are boring as fuck and remind me of the gsl.
Don't worry it's not a mirror match. Or TvT.
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On October 04 2011 14:26 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:21 EliteReplay wrote:
as i told before is seem to me that there is a match fix in Puma vs Idra... let suppose idra lose and get matched vs hasuobs, he will lose to hasuobs that is pretty good vs Zerg he beated dimaga,
and puma have a better chance to win agaings hasuobs since his TvP is......1/1/1
so there is a match fix there, no room for idra beating straight u puma no way. Are you REALLY accusing idra and puma of match fixing? Really?
I missed that post, thanks for quoting it, made me laugh hard ^^
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