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Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
October 04 2011 05:34 GMT
#3081
On October 04 2011 14:31 raaaiiiii wrote:
Is that Dimaga talking to IdrA on stream?

Why yes it is.
Toast_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States56 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3082
Are they really playing on stage like that with everyone watching- only soundproof is the headphones?

Seems like it would be pointless to try anything really cheezy early game (ie 6 pool) because the crowd reaction would easily let you know something was going on early game
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3083
On October 04 2011 14:28 iaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:27 iamke55 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:09 Cyrak wrote:
Puma is like the quintessential construct of the Artosis hype machine. He has no significant accomplishments outside his one miracle series vs. MC at NASL. He can still play an abusive TvP in a matchup where T enjoys a 70%+ win rate in Korea, but what he showed here today was not even Code A level play.

Today's match should deflate the hype a bit, but I'm sure it won't.

Well said. Puma is a guy who has never ever qualified for even code A, and probably will never play in the GSL ever. At the end of the year, more people will remember Jinro than him. Hell, even Clide will probably be a more familiar name than Puma when we look back on SC2 in the future.


PuMa also won an IEM straight after and performed strongly in the last MLG. Dunno wtf you talking about son.

His hatred toward Puma has no bound at the moment due to his abusive TvP. Don't take everything too seriously because people tend to get irrational when emotional.
jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3084
wwwwwhat??? Idra 3-0es PUMA.. omg!! teammates ok.. but GGGJ Idra.. Nice to see you back in the top. Whoever will win.. elfi or idra ( idra is highly favored after beating 2 koreans ) I will be happy. And no terran in finals!
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Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3085
On October 04 2011 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:26 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.


You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.

I was never discrediting idra's win. I'm not gonna make some excuse that puma threw those games or played awful, just saying that I could name 15 terrans off the top of my head that are better than Puma and that he is not code S caliber. He can take games off code S players if that'll make anyone feel better. But when you have never qualified for GSL and during a period of terran dominance then you are not worthy of being called code S caliber.


I would agree that Puma's not one of the top korean Terrans like MVP, Bomber, and the like, but I would put him up in the top 15.
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3086
On October 04 2011 14:27 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:09 Cyrak wrote:
Puma is like the quintessential construct of the Artosis hype machine. He has no significant accomplishments outside his one miracle series vs. MC at NASL. He can still play an abusive TvP in a matchup where T enjoys a 70%+ win rate in Korea, but what he showed here today was not even Code A level play.

Today's match should deflate the hype a bit, but I'm sure it won't.

Well said. Puma is a guy who has never ever qualified for even code A, and probably will never play in the GSL ever. At the end of the year, more people will remember Jinro than him. Hell, even Clide will probably be a more familiar name than Puma when we look back on SC2 in the future.


Well if he actually shows up to a code A qualifier (which hes skipped for the past 2 code a qualifiers) he might improve his percentage of getting in. Why so down on the guy?
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3087
On October 04 2011 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:26 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.


You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.

I was never discrediting idra's win. I'm not gonna make some excuse that puma threw those games or played awful, just saying that I could name 15 terrans off the top of my head that are better than Puma and that he is not code S caliber. He can take games off code S players if that'll make anyone feel better. But when you have never qualified for GSL and during a period of terran dominance then you are not worthy of being called code S caliber.


Well it is pretty hard to qualify for Code A when u don't go to the qualifiers.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3088
Yeah , hope that idra will be able to pull out his first tournament victory in a long time. Considering how he went against elfi in the group stages , odds will be against him...

Also , do people really hate idra that much till there is a conspiracy about match fixing?
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
October 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#3089
On October 04 2011 14:35 Toast_ wrote:
Are they really playing on stage like that with everyone watching- only soundproof is the headphones?

Seems like it would be pointless to try anything really cheezy early game (ie 6 pool) because the crowd reaction would easily let you know something was going on early game


I think the ones on stage were the DOTA ones, not sure if the SC2 games were played that way.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
October 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#3090
On October 04 2011 14:34 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:33 Moralez wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:32 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:29 P3rytt wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.

Good for IdrA though, he's playing about the level you would expect from him. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, I don't think he was slumping bad but if you have a 50% chance of winning a series, sometimes you'll get the bad end more often than expected.



What you don't get is that most people are just happy Idra won against the odds versus a very good korean player now if you don't think Puma is good I'm not sure what to tell you but writing a novel about his past 5 tournaments doesn't make you any less of a hater lol just go.


Uh, I do get that and I didn't write a novel about his past 5 tournaments. Lmao people like you are hilarious, you just say random insults.

calling you a hater, when ur obviously one isnt an insult :\


Looking at your sig, I think it's more that you're just an IdrA fanboy.


You're an annoying poster.
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HeliBadger
Profile Joined September 2011
538 Posts
October 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#3091
Hey guys, I missed elfi vs hasuobs could anyone please give me a summary of the series?
Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
October 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#3092
Idra please win a Tourney I know you have it in you :D
Whatever happens, happens
grungust
Profile Joined September 2010
United States325 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3093
The best part is NO TERRAN finals. wooooooooo!
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Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3094
On October 04 2011 14:36 superLanboy wrote:
Hey guys, I missed elfi vs hasuobs could anyone please give me a summary of the series?


DT's are pretty good when there is no detection
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3095
On October 04 2011 14:35 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:26 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.


You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.

I was never discrediting idra's win. I'm not gonna make some excuse that puma threw those games or played awful, just saying that I could name 15 terrans off the top of my head that are better than Puma and that he is not code S caliber. He can take games off code S players if that'll make anyone feel better. But when you have never qualified for GSL and during a period of terran dominance then you are not worthy of being called code S caliber.


Well it is pretty hard to qualify for Code A when u don't go to the qualifiers.

He has, although not recently yeah. I have a very difficult time envisioning a world where Puma is gonna qualify through MLG, especially the next one because top 3 are already taken in my book.
icarly
Profile Joined August 2011
United States400 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3096

"I wouldn't say idra can't beat Puma. I stalked their profiles a lot when Puma was living at the EG house and Idra appeared to win about 50% of the time. + Puma's tvz is pretty weak (lost to Z at MLG, and MLG online invitational and his tvz games at Dreamhacks were very subpar.)

I'd give idra a good shot of winning."

Quoting my post from earlier. Get @ me sons.
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3097
On October 04 2011 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:26 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.


You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.

I was never discrediting idra's win. I'm not gonna make some excuse that puma threw those games or played awful, just saying that I could name 15 terrans off the top of my head that are better than Puma and that he is not code S caliber. He can take games off code S players if that'll make anyone feel better. But when you have never qualified for GSL and during a period of terran dominance then you are not worthy of being called code S caliber.


Wasn't Puma one of the most sought after practice partners with some nerve issues preventing him to "break into" the GSL? Kinda like DRG a few months ago? I remember a lot of top players like MC keeping Puma in very high regards.
rdj107
Profile Joined December 2010
United States336 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3098
On October 04 2011 14:32 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:29 P3rytt wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.

Good for IdrA though, he's playing about the level you would expect from him. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, I don't think he was slumping bad but if you have a 50% chance of winning a series, sometimes you'll get the bad end more often than expected.



What you don't get is that most people are just happy Idra won against the odds versus a very good korean player now if you don't think Puma is good I'm not sure what to tell you but writing a novel about his past 5 tournaments doesn't make you any less of a hater lol just go.


Uh, I do get that and I didn't write a novel about his past 5 tournaments. Lmao people like you are hilarious, you just say random insults.

Not really random. You're pretty consistently a jerk whenever idra has been mentioned in any lr thread for as long as I've been reading them. Taking out whatever hatred you have for him here seems to just be what you do so it's natural that you occasionally get called on it.
ExquisiteRed
Profile Joined February 2011
396 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3099
I wonder what Dimaga and IdrA were talking about just there...
BlueFlames
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Germany1756 Posts
October 04 2011 05:38 GMT
#3100
On October 04 2011 14:33 julianto wrote:
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On October 04 2011 14:32 pt wrote:
Can we end the mindless speculation and enjoy the games?

You're asking us to stop discussing in a discussion thread.


This is not a duscussion thread. You might not understand the meaning of an LR-thread, but its for people who cant watch the games, and want to get live reports. So yeah stop the pointless duscussions.
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