• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:50
CET 17:50
KST 01:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket8Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile [Game] Osu! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1312 users

[IEM] Guangzhou - Day 4 - Final Day - Page 155

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 153 154 155 156 157 273 Next
Keep enjoying the games. In advance, if you OP whine, see you in a while. If you post well, hopefully see a lot more of you :D <3
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
October 04 2011 05:34 GMT
#3081
On October 04 2011 14:31 raaaiiiii wrote:
Is that Dimaga talking to IdrA on stream?

Why yes it is.
Toast_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States56 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3082
Are they really playing on stage like that with everyone watching- only soundproof is the headphones?

Seems like it would be pointless to try anything really cheezy early game (ie 6 pool) because the crowd reaction would easily let you know something was going on early game
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3083
On October 04 2011 14:28 iaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:27 iamke55 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:09 Cyrak wrote:
Puma is like the quintessential construct of the Artosis hype machine. He has no significant accomplishments outside his one miracle series vs. MC at NASL. He can still play an abusive TvP in a matchup where T enjoys a 70%+ win rate in Korea, but what he showed here today was not even Code A level play.

Today's match should deflate the hype a bit, but I'm sure it won't.

Well said. Puma is a guy who has never ever qualified for even code A, and probably will never play in the GSL ever. At the end of the year, more people will remember Jinro than him. Hell, even Clide will probably be a more familiar name than Puma when we look back on SC2 in the future.


PuMa also won an IEM straight after and performed strongly in the last MLG. Dunno wtf you talking about son.

His hatred toward Puma has no bound at the moment due to his abusive TvP. Don't take everything too seriously because people tend to get irrational when emotional.
jarod
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania766 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3084
wwwwwhat??? Idra 3-0es PUMA.. omg!! teammates ok.. but GGGJ Idra.. Nice to see you back in the top. Whoever will win.. elfi or idra ( idra is highly favored after beating 2 koreans ) I will be happy. And no terran in finals!
Maru | Life | herO
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3085
On October 04 2011 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:26 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.


You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.

I was never discrediting idra's win. I'm not gonna make some excuse that puma threw those games or played awful, just saying that I could name 15 terrans off the top of my head that are better than Puma and that he is not code S caliber. He can take games off code S players if that'll make anyone feel better. But when you have never qualified for GSL and during a period of terran dominance then you are not worthy of being called code S caliber.


I would agree that Puma's not one of the top korean Terrans like MVP, Bomber, and the like, but I would put him up in the top 15.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3086
On October 04 2011 14:27 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:09 Cyrak wrote:
Puma is like the quintessential construct of the Artosis hype machine. He has no significant accomplishments outside his one miracle series vs. MC at NASL. He can still play an abusive TvP in a matchup where T enjoys a 70%+ win rate in Korea, but what he showed here today was not even Code A level play.

Today's match should deflate the hype a bit, but I'm sure it won't.

Well said. Puma is a guy who has never ever qualified for even code A, and probably will never play in the GSL ever. At the end of the year, more people will remember Jinro than him. Hell, even Clide will probably be a more familiar name than Puma when we look back on SC2 in the future.


Well if he actually shows up to a code A qualifier (which hes skipped for the past 2 code a qualifiers) he might improve his percentage of getting in. Why so down on the guy?
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3087
On October 04 2011 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:26 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.


You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.

I was never discrediting idra's win. I'm not gonna make some excuse that puma threw those games or played awful, just saying that I could name 15 terrans off the top of my head that are better than Puma and that he is not code S caliber. He can take games off code S players if that'll make anyone feel better. But when you have never qualified for GSL and during a period of terran dominance then you are not worthy of being called code S caliber.


Well it is pretty hard to qualify for Code A when u don't go to the qualifiers.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
October 04 2011 05:35 GMT
#3088
Yeah , hope that idra will be able to pull out his first tournament victory in a long time. Considering how he went against elfi in the group stages , odds will be against him...

Also , do people really hate idra that much till there is a conspiracy about match fixing?
beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
October 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#3089
On October 04 2011 14:35 Toast_ wrote:
Are they really playing on stage like that with everyone watching- only soundproof is the headphones?

Seems like it would be pointless to try anything really cheezy early game (ie 6 pool) because the crowd reaction would easily let you know something was going on early game


I think the ones on stage were the DOTA ones, not sure if the SC2 games were played that way.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
October 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#3090
On October 04 2011 14:34 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:33 Moralez wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:32 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:29 P3rytt wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.

Good for IdrA though, he's playing about the level you would expect from him. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, I don't think he was slumping bad but if you have a 50% chance of winning a series, sometimes you'll get the bad end more often than expected.



What you don't get is that most people are just happy Idra won against the odds versus a very good korean player now if you don't think Puma is good I'm not sure what to tell you but writing a novel about his past 5 tournaments doesn't make you any less of a hater lol just go.


Uh, I do get that and I didn't write a novel about his past 5 tournaments. Lmao people like you are hilarious, you just say random insults.

calling you a hater, when ur obviously one isnt an insult :\


Looking at your sig, I think it's more that you're just an IdrA fanboy.


You're an annoying poster.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
HeliBadger
Profile Joined September 2011
538 Posts
October 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#3091
Hey guys, I missed elfi vs hasuobs could anyone please give me a summary of the series?
Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
October 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#3092
Idra please win a Tourney I know you have it in you :D
Whatever happens, happens
grungust
Profile Joined September 2010
United States325 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3093
The best part is NO TERRAN finals. wooooooooo!
Flash 하나님
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3094
On October 04 2011 14:36 superLanboy wrote:
Hey guys, I missed elfi vs hasuobs could anyone please give me a summary of the series?


DT's are pretty good when there is no detection
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3095
On October 04 2011 14:35 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:26 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.


You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.

I was never discrediting idra's win. I'm not gonna make some excuse that puma threw those games or played awful, just saying that I could name 15 terrans off the top of my head that are better than Puma and that he is not code S caliber. He can take games off code S players if that'll make anyone feel better. But when you have never qualified for GSL and during a period of terran dominance then you are not worthy of being called code S caliber.


Well it is pretty hard to qualify for Code A when u don't go to the qualifiers.

He has, although not recently yeah. I have a very difficult time envisioning a world where Puma is gonna qualify through MLG, especially the next one because top 3 are already taken in my book.
icarly
Profile Joined August 2011
United States400 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3096

"I wouldn't say idra can't beat Puma. I stalked their profiles a lot when Puma was living at the EG house and Idra appeared to win about 50% of the time. + Puma's tvz is pretty weak (lost to Z at MLG, and MLG online invitational and his tvz games at Dreamhacks were very subpar.)

I'd give idra a good shot of winning."

Quoting my post from earlier. Get @ me sons.
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3097
On October 04 2011 14:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:26 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.


You are right there is no point in arguing with people like you 2 who discredit every foreigner win vs a korean especially one who won IEM china as well and had a good run at MLG losing to Nada 4-3 who koreans consider Nada's tvt to be really really good.

I was never discrediting idra's win. I'm not gonna make some excuse that puma threw those games or played awful, just saying that I could name 15 terrans off the top of my head that are better than Puma and that he is not code S caliber. He can take games off code S players if that'll make anyone feel better. But when you have never qualified for GSL and during a period of terran dominance then you are not worthy of being called code S caliber.


Wasn't Puma one of the most sought after practice partners with some nerve issues preventing him to "break into" the GSL? Kinda like DRG a few months ago? I remember a lot of top players like MC keeping Puma in very high regards.
rdj107
Profile Joined December 2010
United States336 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3098
On October 04 2011 14:32 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:29 P3rytt wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:24 Heavenly wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 14:17 Jamesbigpig wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:55 Yamulo wrote:
On October 04 2011 13:53 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
this is not the puma i know

Yeah, Bitter is impressed with idra (as you should be), but puma is a big? right now. I don't know.

In other news, now I think a protoss can win this!

Puma never has been a big terran. Maybe right after his NASL win you could argue that, but he was still pretty untested against koreans at that time.


You do realize Darkforce was the only non-Korean in the round of 8 of NASL right? That means Puma had to go through 3 Koreans at least, and I know that he beat both July and MC. He did very well at MLG, playing at the level of all the Koreans there. Add IEM Cologne, to say Puma is not that good compared to Koreans is ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows anything about the Korean scene right now and they will tell you he is code-S level. He also was quite a beast in the GSTL when he was on TSL.

The koreans he went through weren't very notable, he never played against July, he played against Squritle barely beating him 2-1 (squirtle hasn't been in code A for like 3 seasons now), he beat MC which was right when Protoss actually began to struggle, then he went to IEM Cologne, lost to Mana 2-0 in group, beat MC with 3 1-1-1's in a row prepatch, and beast in GSTL? He played like one series where he got a 3 kill. Before then he was hardly ever played because he was on the brink of B team.

Now getting to MLG, he went 5-0 in group, but he got destroyed by Coca who was known for a bad ZvT, and then he lost to Nada when he was up in the extended series. Code S level is a pretty big phrase for someone who has never qualified for code A once and couldn't make it to top 3 at MLG even if DRG wasn't there to take the spot.


Lol there's no point, people will just quote you and call you a hater/korean lover/whatever. I guess people are so tired of watching Koreans win everything that they'll just go crazy whenever a foreigner manages to beat any of the mid-tier ones that he usually loses to in practice anyway.

Good for IdrA though, he's playing about the level you would expect from him. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, I don't think he was slumping bad but if you have a 50% chance of winning a series, sometimes you'll get the bad end more often than expected.



What you don't get is that most people are just happy Idra won against the odds versus a very good korean player now if you don't think Puma is good I'm not sure what to tell you but writing a novel about his past 5 tournaments doesn't make you any less of a hater lol just go.


Uh, I do get that and I didn't write a novel about his past 5 tournaments. Lmao people like you are hilarious, you just say random insults.

Not really random. You're pretty consistently a jerk whenever idra has been mentioned in any lr thread for as long as I've been reading them. Taking out whatever hatred you have for him here seems to just be what you do so it's natural that you occasionally get called on it.
ExquisiteRed
Profile Joined February 2011
396 Posts
October 04 2011 05:37 GMT
#3099
I wonder what Dimaga and IdrA were talking about just there...
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
October 04 2011 05:38 GMT
#3100
On October 04 2011 14:33 julianto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 14:32 pt wrote:
Can we end the mindless speculation and enjoy the games?

You're asking us to stop discussing in a discussion thread.


This is not a duscussion thread. You might not understand the meaning of an LR-thread, but its for people who cant watch the games, and want to get live reports. So yeah stop the pointless duscussions.
Prev 1 153 154 155 156 157 273 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #231
SteadfastSC238
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 238
LamboSC2 186
MindelVK 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42499
Calm 3209
Rain 2195
Sea 1847
firebathero 433
Mini 400
BeSt 203
Rush 116
Snow 109
Hyun 103
[ Show more ]
Light 66
Backho 60
hero 56
Terrorterran 27
soO 20
yabsab 18
Movie 16
Dewaltoss 16
scan(afreeca) 13
HiyA 12
Shine 9
Dota 2
Gorgc6419
qojqva2659
singsing2281
Dendi722
XcaliburYe86
Counter-Strike
allub367
ceh9258
markeloff132
Other Games
B2W.Neo1255
FrodaN973
Beastyqt676
hiko668
Mlord413
Lowko376
RotterdaM252
crisheroes250
ArmadaUGS137
XaKoH 68
QueenE55
Trikslyr40
KnowMe23
Sick20
Chillindude10
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream22954
Other Games
BasetradeTV27
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 24
• iHatsuTV 7
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 23
• FirePhoenix4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1899
• WagamamaTV374
League of Legends
• Jankos1771
• TFBlade1227
Other Games
• Shiphtur98
Upcoming Events
BSL: GosuLeague
4h 11m
RSL Revival
14h 41m
Zoun vs Classic
SHIN vs TriGGeR
herO vs Reynor
Maru vs MaxPax
WardiTV Korean Royale
19h 11m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 19h
IPSL
2 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
BSL 21
2 days
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
3 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
3 days
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.