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hugedong
Profile Joined June 2010
United States510 Posts
November 04 2011 11:46 GMT
#401
On November 04 2011 20:43 mazqo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:42 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:39 Shagg wrote:
Omg seriously how can you be so butthurt and not give Elfi credit Huk fanboys?


Because I don't think someone with 0 multi-tasking capabilites (took him until he had around 3 probes lefy on his mineral line to realise there were zealots there) to win at that level.

And plus he 4 gated most of those games. It's hard to see someone's skill when they purely 4 gate

Maybe he didnt just care about his probes when he saw that he had 100% win already?

LOL oh lord
taoito
Profile Joined July 2011
65 Posts
November 04 2011 11:46 GMT
#402
lmao at butthurt Huk fanboys
Elfi played better, give him credits and move on.
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
November 04 2011 11:46 GMT
#403
On November 04 2011 20:42 qazadex wrote:
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On November 04 2011 20:40 LingBlingMuta wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:36 Klunssila wrote:
Elfi's a far better player than Huk anyway. Sorry jus speaking the truth for once, Elfi's won Huk so many times now.



No.

Just because Elfi takes games off of HuK doesnt mean he is better.

This is the nature of PvP.

I'm gonna argue that Elfi is better than HuK in PVP. Maybe not overall, but HuK's best matchup has not traditionally been that one.


Yes Elfi won this bo5 and I give him credit but he hasn't beaten nearly the caliber of players that Huk has in PvP.
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ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
November 04 2011 11:46 GMT
#404
On November 04 2011 20:44 qazadex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:42 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:39 Shagg wrote:
Omg seriously how can you be so butthurt and not give Elfi credit Huk fanboys?


Because I don't think someone with 0 multi-tasking capabilites (took him until he had around 3 probes lefy on his mineral line to realise there were zealots there) to win at that level.

And plus he 4 gated most of those games. It's hard to see someone's skill when they purely 4 gate

What does "Because I don't think someone with 0 multi-tasking capabilites to win at that level." mean?


What do you think it means?
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anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
November 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#405
On November 04 2011 20:45 MBH wrote:
I know this is a LR thread but can we be serious for one second?

Huk scouted the last 4 Gate with is probe, he needed to warp in a sentry instead of a stalker to block his ramp in order to gain time. He didn't do that. That was a mistake.
The game before elfi faked him out and huk misread what was happening, despite only having two gates at that time he managed to get 3 units in Huks base and even kill probes. That was a mistake.

elfi maybe isn't on the same level mechanicaly but his gameplan and general build execution was far superior to Huk in almost every game.


IMO, HuK just has MC syndrome.

He needs to stop traveling so often, stay in Korea and practice! MC was doing amazing for months until he started to go to every single foreign tournament held, and now he's fallen into obscurity with the rest of the mid-level players due to lack of practice and over-exerting himself.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 11:47:37
November 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#406
On November 04 2011 20:46 KinQuh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:44 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:42 Tsubbi wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:39 syllogism wrote:
It's hard to take the game seriously as long as sub-100 [old] apm, 0 multitasking players are competitive at this level. For a while it looked like we had reached the point that they weren't, but at least in some matchups that's unfortunately not the case


what i saw was elfi outmicroing and multitasking huk in the early game, huk just played bad today and elfi is really good


Where is an example of that? Huk held a 4 gate with only 1 gate and won the zealot/stalker battle. And huk did some decent probe harrass...

bah I give up, but Elfi is definitely not the better player

Yep he isnt but his PvP is waaayyy better


Surprise there. Guess the Warcraft III background helps in a macth-up like PvP. Credit to Elfi though, well played.
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TI112
Profile Joined November 2011
2 Posts
November 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#407
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Shagg
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland825 Posts
November 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#408
On November 04 2011 20:46 taoito wrote:
lmao at butthurt Huk fanboys
Elfi played better, give him credits and move on.

Idd its just sad
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Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
November 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#409
On November 04 2011 20:45 Azurues wrote:
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On November 04 2011 20:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:43 Deckkie wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:37 blae000 wrote:
That's the one thing I dont like about these 8-man events! You go there to play a bo3/bo5, if you lose you go home!


Although it kinda sucks when you have to fly all over the world to get there, I personally think its the best.
Every game feels like the most important game in the tournament.


In this case, HuK also gets to play a showmatch for $1k on Sunday as well as chill out and enjoy Helsinki so it's probably the most player friendly live invitational you can think of.


I wouldn't really care about 1000$ if code S is on the line soon for Huk

But meh, just arrive Finland might as well enjoy over there

Yeah don't lie.
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
November 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#410
There are plenty of guides how to stop 4gate. You cant just make a sentry. You have to go outside of your base either with 1 zealot and 2 stalker or 3 stalkers to stop other guy warping under your ramp @ 5:45, so you force them to warp from further distance which buys you time to get sentry and warpgate ready.
qazadex
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia473 Posts
November 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#411
On November 04 2011 20:45 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:42 Tsubbi wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:39 syllogism wrote:
It's hard to take the game seriously as long as sub-100 [old] apm, 0 multitasking players are competitive at this level. For a while it looked like we had reached the point that they weren't, but at least in some matchups that's unfortunately not the case


what i saw was elfi outmicroing and multitasking huk in the early game, huk just played bad today and elfi is really good

Even if that's the case, he still consistently wins games against players who have far superior mechanics, which really shouldn't be possible. Hopefully we'll eventually reach the point when that NEVER happens

I like the strategy aspect of Starcraft. Games are more fun when it isn't a battle who can click the fastest.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#412
LOL!!

HuK > Elfi on every level.

Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.

Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.

Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.

Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo
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halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
November 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#413
On November 04 2011 20:44 0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:43 Wroshe wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:40 NexaS wrote:
The favorite to win the tournament just got knocked out first round. I guess it'll go to Idra or Select now.

Honestly if Dimaga wins against SeleCT then I don't think he can be stopped. I'm guessing IdrA will sweep his side of the bracket and IdrA vs Dimaga will be a roflstomp.

I think it will be a roflstomp too, Idra's ZvZ is pretty insane.


Looking at his TLPD there arent many wins against top tier zergs, yeah he consistently beats machine, haypro and sheth(Neither of these I count as top ZvZ foreigners). Trades pretty evenly with Ret and loses to Sen and Nerchio, does this make his ZvZ insane or just good?
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
November 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#414
On November 04 2011 20:45 MBH wrote:
I know this is a LR thread but can we be serious for one second?

Huk scouted the last 4 Gate with is probe, he needed to warp in a sentry instead of a stalker to block his ramp in order to gain time. He didn't do that. That was a mistake.
The game before elfi faked him out and huk misread what was happening, despite only having two gates at that time he managed to get 3 units in Huks base and even kill probes. That was a mistake.

elfi maybe isn't on the same level mechanicaly but his gameplan and general build execution was far superior to Huk in almost every game.

Exactly. I don't think that anyone who currently passes a breathalyzer will argue that Elfi is a better player then HuK is. However HuK did just lose to himself in that series: not getting a sentry when you have scouted a 4gate is just pure fail.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
November 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#415
On November 04 2011 20:45 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:42 Tsubbi wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:39 syllogism wrote:
It's hard to take the game seriously as long as sub-100 [old] apm, 0 multitasking players are competitive at this level. For a while it looked like we had reached the point that they weren't, but at least in some matchups that's unfortunately not the case


what i saw was elfi outmicroing and multitasking huk in the early game, huk just played bad today and elfi is really good


Just no. HuK's micro (and even multitasking even though there was nothing to multitask) was better, elfi won with build orders basically. HuK skipped the sentry, that's about it.

So attack with a bunch of units on ramp with no sentry = outmicring and outmultistasking lol.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
November 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#416
You guys are missing the point.

Let's compare this to something else. Idra's run at IEM Guangzhou. You could've watched Jinro beat Idra in the group stages, and then see Idra beat Puma in a bo5 in the semi-finals. What went different in those games? Puma played well and didn't cheese Idra just to make money.

We've been cheated of great games by Elfi. Shame on him for knocking out DreamHuk, Homestory Huk, and MLG Huklando with 4gate. It's not very sportsman like and my enjoyment of high level games with a Protoss has been dashed.

I do not like you, Mr. Elfi. Not one bit.
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
November 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#417
On November 04 2011 20:45 TI112 wrote:
Huk only evers wins mlg, where the prizepool is the lowest ever.

All the EU tourneys and GSl he just gets eliminated first round >.>
\

Yeah like Dreamhack and Homestory Cup

And you're right he only wins MLG with its terrible player list i mean MKP Bomber and MC what scrubs
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
November 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#418
People are so quick to dismiss players just because they lose once.. for fuck sake elfi is on his country practicing like a madman to face huk..

huk doesn't even know who elfi is and didn't practice for him plus he comes from korea like yesterday, it's not suprising at all huk lost!

This is not giving excuses, this is stating the facts, i don't mean to diss elfi but this is not a "normal" game beetween them and doesn't mean much or atleast doesn't mean elfi >>>> huk ..
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KayBee
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden156 Posts
November 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#419
On November 04 2011 20:48 Pandemona wrote:
LOL!!

HuK > Elfi on every level.

Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.

Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.

Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.

Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo


Wow dude, you really take this seriusly don't you?
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RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
November 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#420
On November 04 2011 20:48 Wroshe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:45 MBH wrote:
I know this is a LR thread but can we be serious for one second?

Huk scouted the last 4 Gate with is probe, he needed to warp in a sentry instead of a stalker to block his ramp in order to gain time. He didn't do that. That was a mistake.
The game before elfi faked him out and huk misread what was happening, despite only having two gates at that time he managed to get 3 units in Huks base and even kill probes. That was a mistake.

elfi maybe isn't on the same level mechanicaly but his gameplan and general build execution was far superior to Huk in almost every game.

Exactly. I don't think that anyone who currently passes a breathalyzer will argue that Elfi is a better player then HuK is. However HuK did just lose to himself in that series: not getting a sentry when you have scouted a 4gate is just pure fail.


Very true. Huk played that extremely badly and it cost him.
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