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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
September 23 2011 23:35 GMT
#3541
On September 24 2011 08:25 alan25 wrote:
anyone got a link to the english commentary vods? free?

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstls1/vod/66280
Not free.
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
September 23 2011 23:36 GMT
#3542
On September 24 2011 08:23 usethis2 wrote:
Damn it seems like the series was epic.. I did not buy the season ticket but I'm dying to watch the series.. Not sure if I should spend $30 at this point. Ugh.

I love that Tails have successfully defended 1-1-1, and went on to crush MVP. MVP is a two-faced j***. I remembered Tails first time when he executed 10-gate into two warpgate rush which crushed Banbanth's 4 gate. (God I couldn't stand Banbanth and his 4 gate)

Does anyone else remember that game as well? I almost forgot about it and wanted to know that 2 warp gate rush build order.

Buy it, this season has been full of VoDs worth watching again. I bought mine Day 1, and was not disappointed.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Skarmory
Profile Joined May 2011
112 Posts
September 24 2011 00:16 GMT
#3543
IM can't be bothered to think about correct strategies. If you immediately put up Nestea vs DRG, no offence DRG I love you, Nestea will slay DRG. At that point you have a 4v1. If Tails beats you 4 times in a row, you don't deserve to be in the league.
Soulish
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1403 Posts
September 24 2011 00:17 GMT
#3544
On September 24 2011 09:16 Skarmory wrote:
IM can't be bothered to think about correct strategies. If you immediately put up Nestea vs DRG, no offence DRG I love you, Nestea will slay DRG. At that point you have a 4v1. If Tails beats you 4 times in a row, you don't deserve to be in the league.

Agreed. If they see drg just send out nestea, don't wait -_-
me all in, he drone drone drone, me win
Razuik
Profile Joined October 2010
United States409 Posts
September 24 2011 00:23 GMT
#3545
Probably the best GSTL matchup ever. Such a shocking end.
Pugget
Profile Joined November 2010
United States212 Posts
September 24 2011 00:31 GMT
#3546
Amazing, amazing day of games!
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
September 24 2011 00:36 GMT
#3547
On September 24 2011 09:16 Skarmory wrote:
IM can't be bothered to think about correct strategies. If you immediately put up Nestea vs DRG, no offence DRG I love you, Nestea will slay DRG. At that point you have a 4v1. If Tails beats you 4 times in a row, you don't deserve to be in the league.


I thought at worst, you throw Losira at him first, since Losira is also great at ZvZ and if that fails you give Nestea a game to watch DRG before taking him apart.

I can understand sending MVP against him though, seeing as how he did 2-0 him in MLG and is coming off a GSL championship, and he did actually beat him today. But there was no excuse to sent YoungHwa out to die like that, they had to know that they had a plan for MVP/Nestea so forcing yourself to send them out back-to-back was just asking for it.

Although, I can see the overconfidence in IM thinking MVP / Nestea can't possibly lose to the same guy. And Tails was a hair's breadth away from having his DT gambit slammed shut (one spore in the main or a ramp block after already seeing the DTs at the gold and its over).

But still, why play around with taking DRG out?
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
September 24 2011 00:47 GMT
#3548
On September 24 2011 09:36 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 09:16 Skarmory wrote:
IM can't be bothered to think about correct strategies. If you immediately put up Nestea vs DRG, no offence DRG I love you, Nestea will slay DRG. At that point you have a 4v1. If Tails beats you 4 times in a row, you don't deserve to be in the league.


I thought at worst, you throw Losira at him first, since Losira is also great at ZvZ and if that fails you give Nestea a game to watch DRG before taking him apart.

I can understand sending MVP against him though, seeing as how he did 2-0 him in MLG and is coming off a GSL championship, and he did actually beat him today. But there was no excuse to sent YoungHwa out to die like that, they had to know that they had a plan for MVP/Nestea so forcing yourself to send them out back-to-back was just asking for it.

Although, I can see the overconfidence in IM thinking MVP / Nestea can't possibly lose to the same guy. And Tails was a hair's breadth away from having his DT gambit slammed shut (one spore in the main or a ramp block after already seeing the DTs at the gold and its over).

But still, why play around with taking DRG out?



there were not playing around, they lost plain and simple, PRevious gstls they played around, for instance when they faced Fxo where the only star player to play was mvp.

Look at who IM used and tell me if this is playing around.

-Happy = really good terran
-Losira = Top 3 zerg in the world
-Yongwa= probably best protoss in the world
-MVP= best terran in the world
-Nestea = supposedly best zerg in the world


yea it sure looks like IM was playing around!!!! lawl
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 00:56:27
September 24 2011 00:55 GMT
#3549
OMG! I can't believe it

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OMFG I was watching the stream last night and when DRG lost to MVP i was so tired i went to sleep figuring Tails would get stomped by MVP and/or Nestea.. boy was i wrong

(And my liquid bet picked MVP to win too against Team IM) Winning

If i voted for MVP and they were the under-dog does that mean i get more points in Liquidbet..

Sorry stupid question is there another version of liquid bet that works based on Chances etc... wasn't it like Fantasy Liquid bet or something? (Where you pick players)


Never GG MKP | IdrA
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9378 Posts
September 24 2011 00:58 GMT
#3550
On September 24 2011 09:47 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 09:36 Wuster wrote:
On September 24 2011 09:16 Skarmory wrote:
IM can't be bothered to think about correct strategies. If you immediately put up Nestea vs DRG, no offence DRG I love you, Nestea will slay DRG. At that point you have a 4v1. If Tails beats you 4 times in a row, you don't deserve to be in the league.


I thought at worst, you throw Losira at him first, since Losira is also great at ZvZ and if that fails you give Nestea a game to watch DRG before taking him apart.

I can understand sending MVP against him though, seeing as how he did 2-0 him in MLG and is coming off a GSL championship, and he did actually beat him today. But there was no excuse to sent YoungHwa out to die like that, they had to know that they had a plan for MVP/Nestea so forcing yourself to send them out back-to-back was just asking for it.

Although, I can see the overconfidence in IM thinking MVP / Nestea can't possibly lose to the same guy. And Tails was a hair's breadth away from having his DT gambit slammed shut (one spore in the main or a ramp block after already seeing the DTs at the gold and its over).

But still, why play around with taking DRG out?



there were not playing around, they lost plain and simple, PRevious gstls they played around, for instance when they faced Fxo where the only star player to play was mvp.

Look at who IM used and tell me if this is playing around.

-Happy = really good terran
-Losira = Top 3 zerg in the world
-Yongwa= probably best protoss in the world
-MVP= best terran in the world
-Nestea = supposedly best zerg in the world


yea it sure looks like IM was playing around!!!! lawl


Yongwa is the best toss and Clide the best terran in teh world. GJ artosis fan boy.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
September 24 2011 01:04 GMT
#3551
IM`s coach decisions were fine.

What ended up being unfortunate for them was throwing Yonghwa (great PvP sniper) against DRG, but that sounded reasonable at the time because IM was under the mentality of "kill DRG = win the match" (and DRG ZvP is his weaker mu). No shame in basing your strat to wear out DRG and steal his best maps, specially with Genius already out (so they had no apparent reason to save the PvP sniper). It`s not like it was expected for TAiLS to become such a huge monster.

It came to a position where IM had their two final bosses alive, only needing a win, against a code B Protoss. Any coach would be extremely happy if he knew his strategy would lead to this stiuation before the last matches.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
gengka
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia461 Posts
September 24 2011 01:16 GMT
#3552
So protoss players please don't whine about Z & P are OP anymore, once again it proves that you can win any race by using any race if you play well. Its just a transition period for protosses to adjust to the meta game. i foresee more creative and solid strategies from protoss in the near future.

Starcraft 2 is really a well balanced game, love it till death.
Make Love Not War
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 01:46:10
September 24 2011 01:45 GMT
#3553
On September 24 2011 09:47 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2011 09:36 Wuster wrote:
On September 24 2011 09:16 Skarmory wrote:
IM can't be bothered to think about correct strategies. If you immediately put up Nestea vs DRG, no offence DRG I love you, Nestea will slay DRG. At that point you have a 4v1. If Tails beats you 4 times in a row, you don't deserve to be in the league.


I thought at worst, you throw Losira at him first, since Losira is also great at ZvZ and if that fails you give Nestea a game to watch DRG before taking him apart.

I can understand sending MVP against him though, seeing as how he did 2-0 him in MLG and is coming off a GSL championship, and he did actually beat him today. But there was no excuse to sent YoungHwa out to die like that, they had to know that they had a plan for MVP/Nestea so forcing yourself to send them out back-to-back was just asking for it.

Although, I can see the overconfidence in IM thinking MVP / Nestea can't possibly lose to the same guy. And Tails was a hair's breadth away from having his DT gambit slammed shut (one spore in the main or a ramp block after already seeing the DTs at the gold and its over).

But still, why play around with taking DRG out?



there were not playing around, they lost plain and simple, PRevious gstls they played around, for instance when they faced Fxo where the only star player to play was mvp.

Look at who IM used and tell me if this is playing around.

-Happy = really good terran
-Losira = Top 3 zerg in the world
-Yongwa= probably best protoss in the world
-MVP= best terran in the world
-Nestea = supposedly best zerg in the world


yea it sure looks like IM was playing around!!!! lawl

Yonghwa is far from the best Protoss in the world.
Even without looking at results, I would rank Sage and JYP above Yonghwa. I'm reluctant to put HerO above him as well, but HerO is definitely more innovative. Even what we've seen recently from Oz has been very impressive
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You also can't rank him higher than TAiLS, he played like a monster

EDIT: I would also probably rank HuK above Yonghwa as well, even though both players are kind-of in the same spot as MC, where they haven't really evolved like the newer Protoss' have.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Drygioni
Profile Joined February 2011
Japan379 Posts
September 24 2011 02:02 GMT
#3554
I'd say IM's picks were too heavily based on "beat DRG, win match" but it's easy to say that in hindsight. I mean I was sure once DRG went down with MVP and Nestea still alive that there was no way IM could lose, I'm sure IM's coach thought he was in an extremely favorable position from that point and so did everyone else.

Really there was no way he could have foreseen Tails coming out and wrecking both IM's aces. MVP has been a one man team for the whole season until now.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
September 24 2011 02:09 GMT
#3555
On September 24 2011 11:02 Drygioni wrote:
I'd say IM's picks were too heavily based on "beat DRG, win match" but it's easy to say that in hindsight. I mean I was sure once DRG went down with MVP and Nestea still alive that there was no way IM could lose, I'm sure IM's coach thought he was in an extremely favorable position from that point and so did everyone else.

Really there was no way he could have foreseen Tails coming out and wrecking both IM's aces. MVP has been a one man team for the whole season until now.

I really don't think anyone actually expected TAiLS to win the match for them, not even the MVP players.

That being said, I was incredibly impressed. I was watching the VoDs at work, as I'm actually allowed to do that :D, and I actually had to pause the VoD and walk away to get something done right as NesTea was dropping TAiLS for the first time.

The whole hour and 19 minutes I was gone, I kept thinking in my head that TAiLS was just done for, and I came back, hit play, and my jaw proceeded to hit the floor as TAiLS rallied and beat NesTea for the win.

Given a Million Dollar/Death poll at the moment that Doctor G fell to MVP, and they still had NesTea, I would have been very surprised if more than a handful of people wouldn't take that bet.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
September 24 2011 02:26 GMT
#3556
Tails was extremely lucky against Nestea with both the DT and walking right into the doom drop. He held MVP's all in well though.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 02:34:37
September 24 2011 02:33 GMT
#3557
So easy to criticize IM with hindsight. I bet when Mvp slaughtered DongRaeGu, everyone would've been predicting the series to be over. With Mvp in the booth and NesTea still to come, IM were in an amaaaazing position.

The GSTL is so amazing, Tails was such an underdog but he was able to pull through for his team for the most unlikely of victories. The drinking NesTea ceremony/joy from Mvp's players, and the look of pure sadness from IM's bench, were powerful images of the greatness of this league!! Great night of Starcraft


Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
September 24 2011 02:35 GMT
#3558
On September 24 2011 09:36 Wuster wrote:
I can understand sending MVP against him though, seeing as how he did 2-0 him in MLG

2-1
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
September 24 2011 02:45 GMT
#3559
to be honest, this was just a fluke tails would never win a bo3,5 or 7 against mvp/nestea
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
September 24 2011 02:51 GMT
#3560
On September 24 2011 11:45 alan25 wrote:
to be honest, this was just a fluke tails would never win a bo3,5 or 7 against mvp/nestea

That's the same thing people said when MMA took out NesTea in GSL August.

I think it's a bit different here though, but still, the comparison is there.

I think it does show how strong TAiLS is in PvT, as he managed to hold the Marine/Tank/Banshee of MVP, and then follow it up with victory. Keep in mind MVP has said that he doesn't like that build, and would only use it if something huge was on the line.
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