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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
GiggleFairy
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia331 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 15:00:32
September 17 2011 14:59 GMT
#3221
On September 17 2011 23:58 Automata wrote:
Can anyone give me a score check on thorzain vs huk? I missed that series.

Its in the OP but coz i am nice...
+ Show Spoiler +
Thorzain 2 -1 Huk
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3222
HerO played great. Love his style. Idra on the other hand should take a break from SC II, he has like zero strategical insight into the game. I think he is fighting too much with himself, his rage and frustration.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3223
On September 17 2011 23:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
:D


You sure know how to pick them.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3224
On September 17 2011 23:58 Olinim wrote:
People acting like beating Idra in a PvZ is the end of protoss troubles lol. Sick play from hero but would he beat nestea or losira? Doubt it :/. Good warp prism play though.

He took 3 maps off DRG
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3225
On September 17 2011 23:59 Binabik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 23:57 Roggay wrote:
On September 17 2011 23:56 kurrysauce wrote:
Can't believe people are suggesting he drop 10+ spines at every base. Yeah , 4 x 10 = 40 drones. 40 drone . Have fun mining off 3 base with 30 drones. very well played by hero , feed backs were on point and his drops were amazing.

Makes me wonder what protosses have to say after that. " gateway units are blah blah blah blah against infestors blah" lol..

Actually they are right, there is no excuse for having that much mineral.
You can always replace those drones (and it is even easier with macro hatchs).

He only needs 3 Spines +1 Spore and 1 OverLord spotting around each base and everything's fine.
8 upgraded chargelots >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 spines. That's how much they own spines.
#freeshauni
Thugtronik
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand452 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3226
On September 17 2011 23:53 Montana[TK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 23:51 Arcanefrost wrote:
I missed it Could someone please tell me the rough outlines of hero's build?


first game he did the voidray sentry drop kill all the shit in the main and voidrays overpowered

second game he tried 2 base DT but it failed so he defended a bit and then just harassed with 2 warpprisms off 3 base, controlled his HT pretty well until IdrA rolled over with 5k in the bank


sup son u sound like a mad zerg. u mad?


User was warned for this post
DIG DIG COME ON LET ME DIG I CAN DETECT
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3227
On September 17 2011 23:58 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 23:56 NexUmbra wrote:
On September 17 2011 23:53 iLikeRain wrote:
On September 17 2011 23:52 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On September 17 2011 23:52 iLikeRain wrote:
Out of curiousity, how is it possible that not a single Korean gamer, who doesn't live in the US can speak english?


Can you speak Korean?

I can speak my native language, english, german and spanish.


They all use the same alphabet, Korean and English don't. Even in UK I guarantee you no one who just goes to school and does french cannot speak french, they must learn it in another way. After doing 4 years of french all I can say is what my name is, and where I live -.-

The priority of learning english seems to be high in all european countries. Korea must not care much about it


French is really easy to learn...


Who gives whether its easy to learn or not? We can't speak it, doesn't matter whether we were learning Japanese or French, we don't take it seriously and therefore cannot speak it well.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3228
Carn is just so sexy
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
hYrasD
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany164 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3229
hero played awesome i like his "protoss drop" Style, but 3spines in every base where hero can drop(there where 3 of them) could save idra the day i guess, and he had the money for it(allmost 5k minerals banked) still great game
IMMVP || coLMVPDRG || SlayerSMMA || EG DeMusliM || Hwaiting!
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3230
haha nazgul

from what i've seen from idra's stream quite a while ago, he tends to do very accurate and reasonable things all game long. maybe that has changed dramatically, but it was barely not enough for him to take on hero and his frantic harass this time ! : (

that kind of harass would literally drive me insane as zerg
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3231
Hey Nyovne, put the Liquipedia link into the header thingie so people don't have to constantly ask for scores.
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3232
On September 17 2011 23:56 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 23:53 MrCon wrote:
TL had really some sick nose to pick up hero. I know they had huk and jinro inside the house to notice him, but still, they picked him up right as he exploded in the scene (or he exploded in the scene because they picked him up).
I mean, his korean TLPD was fucking awful, and now his int TLPD is bonjwa-like (not that he is one, please don't make a 20 pages debate because I used that word) with all matchups over 70%.

If you're talking about exploding in foreign scene, then that's what'll happen if you take any solid Korean and put him in USA or Europe.

I know, but we don't see MC or any other korean protoss play PvZ that way (actually, he's the only one with some european protoss that can win PvZ atm)
It's not only that he's good, it's that he's better than a lot of koreans.
MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3233
I agree with what someone else said previously...

Why not spend those 5k minerals on a crap tonne of static defence at his expo's?
"Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know." - Liquid`Jinro
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3234
emps > naniwa
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
AzurewinD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States569 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3235
On September 17 2011 23:59 soupchicken wrote:
Stephano is the future of foreign zergs IMO. Guy is way better mechanically and strategically than Idra.


I can definitely get behind this statement. The guy legitimately scares me watching his games. I don't get that from IdrA anymore.
"...I want more people to be in that state more often, to see things not through the limited and rigid mind or the fearful ego, but through a heart that loves to express and create" - Xiaonan "Glider" Sun
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3236
On September 17 2011 23:56 noBode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 23:53 iLikeRain wrote:
On September 17 2011 23:52 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On September 17 2011 23:52 iLikeRain wrote:
Out of curiousity, how is it possible that not a single Korean gamer, who doesn't live in the US can speak english?


Can you speak Korean?

I can speak my native language, english, german and spanish.

Edit: But that's not the point. Most of the people who play computer games online have a good grasp of the English language. I'm just curious why Koreans don't?


You do realize that while European languages are relatively similar to each other. They are very different from Asian language, right? It's much easier for Koreans to learn languages like Japanese, or Chinese too.


You do realise european languages also come from different language groups right ?

I mean my language is nothing even remotely similar to english (slovenian) but I've just been learning it from the internets for long enough to become second nature, but sayting all EU languages and english are relatively similar is just REALY ignorant
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3237
On September 17 2011 23:59 Binabik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 23:57 Roggay wrote:
On September 17 2011 23:56 kurrysauce wrote:
Can't believe people are suggesting he drop 10+ spines at every base. Yeah , 4 x 10 = 40 drones. 40 drone . Have fun mining off 3 base with 30 drones. very well played by hero , feed backs were on point and his drops were amazing.

Makes me wonder what protosses have to say after that. " gateway units are blah blah blah blah against infestors blah" lol..

Actually they are right, there is no excuse for having that much mineral.
You can always replace those drones (and it is even easier with macro hatchs).

He only needs 3 Spines +1 Spore and 1 OverLord spotting around each base and everything's fine.


Not when the opponent is warping in 10 charge zealots with upgrades.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3238
I have long ago already predicted how strong warp prism play can be against ground based zerg army in the late game. That's why i have never favored the zerg deathball which is so immobile and weak in anti-air capabilities. Against a turtlish toss, you need to force engagements early by bypassing chokes through doom drops. Either that or you switch into a muta ling spines composition, 5 bases gas can churn out 10 mutas/min. Mutas are weak against hts but strong against robo, while toss need robo to overcome spines spam. This way zerg can safely go into an attrition war with zergling drops and mutas without fearing a base trade, or straight up kill a toss that goes only robo tech.
WindOw
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden407 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3239
Hm i know "no stream whine/complains" but --- It's buffering 24/7 here, nothings happening, anyone got the same problem?
AKA WindOw[InCa] (BW) | TheMisT (SC2) | NaNiwa FC founder
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
September 17 2011 15:00 GMT
#3240
Carn is so sexy
Evil Geniuses<3
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