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Tommyth
Poland117 Posts
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sLBoGoRoH
Netherlands126 Posts
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Unfortunate
Canada132 Posts
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aintthatfunny
193 Posts
I think it should be removed because there's no race that likes it, it's an outdated map and there are better alternatives out there (and I'm certain other good players would prefer 3/4 good maps as fixed starting maps instead of a separate one every round). It sucks for protoss because of 4 gate vs 4 gate coinflip pvp. It sucks for zerg because of not being able to get a fast 3rd (people still do it but it dies to 7 gate, that's why pros take a late 3rd at the rocks) pvz, and it sucks for terran because getting a 5th base vs a good player is virtually impossible (tvp specifically probably also other matchups). If you asked the players who you count as pros (I think it was 8 times in quarterfinals?), I garantuee none will be sorry to see it go. | ||
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viPro-
Sweden12 Posts
In general I think the mappool is very zerg favored, atleast in the aspect of protoss vs zerg. The only good maps for Protoss right now is more or less Entombed Valley and CLoud kingdom. I guess Antiga works out ok too, atleast compared to many other maps that is used. I know that removing maps just because of PvZ might not be a good reason, alot of the maps that I dislike for PvZ is good in other matchups.. Therefore I would suggest to add a few more maps to the mappool, and maybe remove some too - Just so that there are more verity in the mappool and something that suits everyone. My suggestions: Remove: Calm before the storm Belshir Darkness falls Change version: MLG Entombed valley to ESL Entombed valley (Forced cross spawn, much more balanced) Korhal, change to the TSL4 Version with some changes around the 3rd base. Add: Ohana Daybreak Shakuras I think those changes would make the game play alot more fair, because on certain maps that is used right now one race gets a very big edge because of spawns or how the map looks. Its pretty boring to play a whole cup to start of a final series on best of 3 at belshir vs zerg - which gives you the options of either try to make a 3rd and lose or make a 2 base all in.. You will be so "un predictble", especially with the recent overlord speed changes..  Thx | ||
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On May 23 2012 06:54 viPro- wrote: My suggestions: Remove: Calm before the storm Belshir Darkness falls Add: Ohana Daybreak Shakuras Calm will likely be removed from the pool next update and the other 2 are uncertain still. Shakuras and Ohana were originally removed because of versioning issues so I'll see if there's any change with that, and since Daybreak is a ladder map now I think that's reason enough to add it back as well. I'll make an update when the next map pool change is done. | ||
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stichtom
Italy695 Posts
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godulous
United States337 Posts
Map Pool: GSL Metropolis, ESV Cloud Kingdom, ESV Sanshorn Mist AE, GSL Antiga Shipyard, IPLMap Darkness Falls, MLG Entombed Valley, ESV Korhal Compound TE, GSL Atlantis Spaceship, Ohana LE, GSL Whirlwind, Daybreak LE Retired: GSL Bel’shir Beach (Winter), TPW - Artifice, Tal’Darim Altar LE, GSL Calm before the storm Added: Ohana LE, GSL Whirlwind, Daybreak LE Changed: Korhal Compound LE -> ESV Korhal Compound TE | ||
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Acchernar
Denmark54 Posts
[Edit] Though I imagine there will still be the occasional complaint about Entombed Valley in ZvP. Nonetheless, this goes a long way towards balancing the map pool. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Acchernar
Denmark54 Posts
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Zoia
United States419 Posts
On May 27 2012 02:03 Acchernar wrote: That looks like a well thought out update. Map pool will be the better for it. [Edit] Though I imagine there will still be the occasional complaint about Entombed Valley in ZvP. Nonetheless, this goes a long way towards balancing the map pool. Every map pool needs to have some imbalanced maps in it. If every map was focused on being a perfect 100% well balanced giant macro map then the meta game would be terrible and the game would not really develop that well. With this being said though we do keep a constant eye on how maps develop over time and if it ever was the case that a map was truel broken in a certain matchup we would remove it ^_^ | ||
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Zoia
United States419 Posts
On May 27 2012 07:02 Acchernar wrote: I like watching games on it, but Tal'Darim Altar was rather unique in that players of ALL races complained about it. That would seem to indicate that it's pretty balanced, but on the other hand there's little reason to keep a map if very few players like playing on it. It is true that the map was very balanced when we ran it through sc2 gears 5 months ago. Almost 51 49 across all matchups. However a lot of players disliked the map greatly due to the current meta game. Also I bitched quite a bit about this map to Ben so he had me annoying him constantly. Another thing to note is that this map is super old I WANT FRESH SHIT MAN! | ||
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steisjo
Sweden81 Posts
On May 27 2012 07:38 Zoia wrote: It is true that the map was very balanced when we ran it through sc2 gears 5 months ago. Almost 51 49 across all matchups. However a lot of players disliked the map greatly due to the current meta game. Also I bitched quite a bit about this map to Ben so he had me annoying him constantly. Another thing to note is that this map is super old I WANT FRESH SHIT MAN! 2 months ago it was as balanced aswell,,, its just the gameplay on it being disliked, make the big ramp smaller and it will look more attractive agian  | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
On May 27 2012 07:38 Zoia wrote: It is true that the map was very balanced when we ran it through sc2 gears 5 months ago. Almost 51 49 across all matchups. However a lot of players disliked the map greatly due to the current meta game. Also I bitched quite a bit about this map to Ben so he had me annoying him constantly. Another thing to note is that this map is super old I WANT FRESH SHIT MAN! Would it be possible to get another one of those big balance updates? I loved the thread with based on the 29000 replays. However this time it would be awesome to get the data on all the maps in the pool, not just the most played ones. I would love to do it myself but it's a very big hassle to find old replays on your site. The most 'effecient' way I can currently come up with is to simply change the URL tournament number one tournament at a time to download the replay pack. Either I'm doing something wrong or the website can be improved upon in a major way. (Is there a way to show finished tournaments in the listing?) | ||
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Acchernar
Denmark54 Posts
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steisjo
Sweden81 Posts
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stichtom
Italy695 Posts
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Csong
Canada396 Posts
Come on Playhem!! | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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