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On November 13 2011 19:04 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 17:53 Hier wrote:
Can someone explain to me why MVP vs MMA and Naniwa vs Whita-Ra were an extended series, please?
Also why isn't MLG Invitational not in either of the TLPDs? MMA beat MVP in the Winners Bracket 2-0 and knocked him down to Losers bracket. White-Ra did the same to Naniwa. Both MVP and Naniwa came back with revenge and managed to beat them in the extended series.
Both of the things you say are wrong 
Bomber beat MVP in the Korean upper bracket.
SaSe beat Naniwa in the European upper bracket.
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It wasn't an extended series, the player from the loser bracket simply had to win 2 Bo3s, the player from the winners bracket had to win 1.
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In the Liquipedia it says the following:
Europe: Due to NaNiwa winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with NaNiwa up 2-0.
Korea: Due to Mvp winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with Mvp up 2-0.
Kind of a weird construct. It means the player from the winner bracket suddenly has to win 3 or 4 games while his opponent only has to win 2 in the 'extended Bo7' if the winner bracket player lost the first Bo3. However, he can also win the entire thing by simply winning the first Bo3 2-0 or 2-1. Crazy hard punishment for losing the first Bo3.
Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.
I guess MLG is just in love with their extended series and uses them whenever they can ^_^
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On November 13 2011 19:04 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 17:53 Hier wrote:
Can someone explain to me why MVP vs MMA and Naniwa vs Whita-Ra were an extended series, please?
Also why isn't MLG Invitational not in either of the TLPDs? MMA beat MVP in the Winners Bracket 2-0 and knocked him down to Losers bracket. White-Ra did the same to Naniwa. Both MVP and Naniwa came back with revenge and managed to beat them in the extended series.
I don't really see anything that supports that. Bomber knocked MVP down to losers bracket. SaSa did the same to Naniwa. Am I looking at something completely different?
+ Show Spoiler [response from dani'] +On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
It wasn't an extended series, the player from the loser bracket simply had to win 2 BO3s, the player from the winners bracket had to win 1. Ah, thanks!
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On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
In the Liquipedia it says the following:
Europe: Due to NaNiwa winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with NaNiwa up 2-0.
Korea: Due to Mvp winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with Mvp up 2-0.
Kind of a weird construct. It means the player from the winner bracket suddenly has to win 3 or 4 games while his opponent only has to win 2 in the 'extended Bo7' if the winner bracket player lost the first Bo3. However, he can also win the entire thing by simply winning the first Bo3 2-0 or 2-1. Crazy hard punishment for losing the first Bo3.
Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.
I guess MLG is just in love with their extended series and uses them whenever they can ^_^
Ok
-Of the 4 finalists, MVP, MMA, and White-Ra went 2-0 in their first Bo3.
-Naniwa, even though went to losers' bracket in the first round started the series against White-Ra 2-0 in his favor.
-MVP went to losers' bracket in the second round, and ended up getting a 2-0 head start over MMA.
-None of the 2 pairs of finalists met each other in the tourney before.
-Both Naniwa and MVP defeated the player that knocked them down to losers' bracket to begin with (SaSe and Bomber, respectively) before moving on to the finals.
-Both SaSe and Bomber lost to both finalists.
SOMEONE messed up somewhere.
(double post: my previous post was meant to squeeze in before dani')
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Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.
That would make sense; the same format used at Blizzcon. But it wasn't used in this case.
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On November 13 2011 19:37 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
In the Liquipedia it says the following:
Europe: Due to NaNiwa winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with NaNiwa up 2-0.
Korea: Due to Mvp winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with Mvp up 2-0.
Kind of a weird construct. It means the player from the winner bracket suddenly has to win 3 or 4 games while his opponent only has to win 2 in the 'extended Bo7' if the winner bracket player lost the first Bo3. However, he can also win the entire thing by simply winning the first Bo3 2-0 or 2-1. Crazy hard punishment for losing the first Bo3.
Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.
I guess MLG is just in love with their extended series and uses them whenever they can ^_^ Ok -Of the 4 finalists, MMA, White-Ra, and MMA went 2-0 in their first Bo3. -Naniwa, even though went to losers' bracket in the first round started the series against White-Ra 2-0 in his favor. -MVP went to losers' bracket in the second round, and ended up getting a 2-0 head start over MMA. -None of the 2 pairs of finalists met each other in the tourney before. -Both Naniwa and MVP defeated the player that knocked them down to losers' bracket to begin with (SaSe and Bomber, respectively) before moving on to the finals. -Both SaSe and Bomber lost to both finalists. SOMEONE messed up somewhere. (double post: my previous post was meant to squeeze in before dani')
The finals never started as an extended series Bo7. It started as Bo3 with 2 possible follow ups:
1) Player who came from Winner Bracket (MMA, White-Ra) wins (2-0 or 2-1) => They win the tournament
2) Player who came from Loser Bracket wins (2-0 or 2-1) => Series continues as Bo7, starting with the score from the Bo3 (so Naniwa up 2-0, MVP up 2-0 because they both won 2-0).
"First Bo3" refers to the initial Bo3 of the final. I agree the term 'first' is weird because there will never be a second one; the tournament will be over OR there will be this extended series Bo7.
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On November 13 2011 19:42 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 19:37 Hier wrote:On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
In the Liquipedia it says the following:
Europe: Due to NaNiwa winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with NaNiwa up 2-0.
Korea: Due to Mvp winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with Mvp up 2-0.
Kind of a weird construct. It means the player from the winner bracket suddenly has to win 3 or 4 games while his opponent only has to win 2 in the 'extended Bo7' if the winner bracket player lost the first Bo3. However, he can also win the entire thing by simply winning the first Bo3 2-0 or 2-1. Crazy hard punishment for losing the first Bo3.
Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.
I guess MLG is just in love with their extended series and uses them whenever they can ^_^ Ok -Of the 4 finalists, MMA, White-Ra, and MMA went 2-0 in their first Bo3. -Naniwa, even though went to losers' bracket in the first round started the series against White-Ra 2-0 in his favor. -MVP went to losers' bracket in the second round, and ended up getting a 2-0 head start over MMA. -None of the 2 pairs of finalists met each other in the tourney before. -Both Naniwa and MVP defeated the player that knocked them down to losers' bracket to begin with (SaSe and Bomber, respectively) before moving on to the finals. -Both SaSe and Bomber lost to both finalists. SOMEONE messed up somewhere. (double post: my previous post was meant to squeeze in before dani') The finals never started as an extended series Bo7. It started as Bo3 with 2 possible follow ups: 1) Player who came from Winner Bracket (MMA, White-Ra) wins (2-0 or 2-1) => They win the tournament 2) Player who came from Loser Bracket wins (2-0 or 2-1) => Series continues as Bo7, starting with the score from the Bo3 (so Naniwa up 2-0, MVP up 2-0 because they both won 2-0).
Fine!
I got it.
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While MLG always had great tournaments in the past their rules always sucked ass and that's exactly the reason why we didn't have any exciting finals yet. And this Global Invitational Finals rule is ridiculous. Normally if the guy coming from the winner bracket loses the 1st Bo3 he and the contender from the LB should be on equal footing, but with this system it is really hard to come back if you lose the first series because of that gay ass extended series. That doesn't make any sense. How can the guy from the Loser Bracket have a lead before they go into the deciding match.
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Where can I find vods? Or do I just have to wait for them to come up on the site? 
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Congrats to Naniwa. He finally won something after going to Korea. Now he just needs to go kick some ass in Providence.
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Where are dem VODs? TTTTTT
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Tons of VODs are still missing. That or I'm just crazy.
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Still no vods up wtf !?!?!?
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On November 13 2011 19:07 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 00:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:On November 12 2011 00:18 spacenegroes wrote:
There are no dates or times or a schedule for the finals in the OP.
How am I supposed to know when to tune in? They are taking place the Friday of MLG Providence. I believe that is Nov 18 Worth pointing out or at least being more clear. The finals of the global invitational are pretty much a kickoff tournament for the the whole MLG. They will be played live from Providence, RI.
Really?!
THAT'S AWESOME!
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On November 15 2011 07:11 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 19:07 feanor1 wrote:On November 12 2011 00:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:On November 12 2011 00:18 spacenegroes wrote:
There are no dates or times or a schedule for the finals in the OP.
How am I supposed to know when to tune in? They are taking place the Friday of MLG Providence. I believe that is Nov 18 Worth pointing out or at least being more clear. The finals of the global invitational are pretty much a kickoff tournament for the the whole MLG. They will be played live from Providence, RI. Really?! THAT'S AWESOME!
It's supposed to make MVP and NesTea more tired, so everybody has a fair chance of making it through the Open Bracket.
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Can we expect VoDs of the Regional Brackets before Providence?
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Europe finals alredy played? WhiteRa won? Wheres VODS?
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On November 13 2011 19:09 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 19:04 snafoo wrote:On November 13 2011 17:53 Hier wrote:
Can someone explain to me why MVP vs MMA and Naniwa vs Whita-Ra were an extended series, please?
Also why isn't MLG Invitational not in either of the TLPDs? MMA beat MVP in the Winners Bracket 2-0 and knocked him down to Losers bracket. White-Ra did the same to Naniwa. Both MVP and Naniwa came back with revenge and managed to beat them in the extended series. I don't really see anything that supports that. Bomber knocked MVP down to losers bracket. SaSa did the same to Naniwa. Am I looking at something completely different? + Show Spoiler [response from dani'] +On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
It wasn't an extended series, the player from the loser bracket simply had to win 2 BO3s, the player from the winners bracket had to win 1. Ah, thanks!
It was an extended series, because MLG doesn't have a solid idea on how Loser's Bracket works.
The player from the Loser's Bracket wins the first Bo3 there isn't a second Bo3, instead the player from the Winner's bracket is now down 0-2 or 1-2 in a Bo7. This means a player from the winner's bracket has to potentially win 5 matches to beat the player from the loser's bracket who only needs to win 4.
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When are the finals played?
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On November 19 2011 03:37 xCenasfu wrote:
When are the finals played?
Today at Providence.
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This means a player from the winner's bracket has to potentially win 5 matches to beat the player from the loser's bracket who only needs to win 4.
No, because if the player from the winner's bracket loses the initial Bo3 2-1, then the score continues in to the extended series, so they only need 3 more, or 4 overall. If they lose 2-0, they need to win 4 more games, so 4 overall, and if they win the Bo3, they only need to win 2. There's no way that they need to win 5.
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man good thing we have these vods to get to know how these players got to the grand finals.
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EPT
