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dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 10:24:33
November 13 2011 10:09 GMT
#2921
On November 13 2011 19:04 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 17:53 Hier wrote:
Can someone explain to me why MVP vs MMA and Naniwa vs Whita-Ra were an extended series, please?

Also why isn't MLG Invitational not in either of the TLPDs?


MMA beat MVP in the Winners Bracket 2-0 and knocked him down to Losers bracket. White-Ra did the same to Naniwa.
Both MVP and Naniwa came back with revenge and managed to beat them in the extended series.

Both of the things you say are wrong

Bomber beat MVP in the Korean upper bracket.
SaSe beat Naniwa in the European upper bracket.

+ Show Spoiler [Misinformation] +

It wasn't an extended series, the player from the loser bracket simply had to win 2 Bo3s, the player from the winners bracket had to win 1.

-- edit

In the Liquipedia it says the following:
Europe: Due to NaNiwa winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with NaNiwa up 2-0.
Korea: Due to Mvp winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with Mvp up 2-0.

Kind of a weird construct. It means the player from the winner bracket suddenly has to win 3 or 4 games while his opponent only has to win 2 in the 'extended Bo7' if the winner bracket player lost the first Bo3. However, he can also win the entire thing by simply winning the first Bo3 2-0 or 2-1. Crazy hard punishment for losing the first Bo3.

Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.

I guess MLG is just in love with their extended series and uses them whenever they can ^_^
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 10:25:20
November 13 2011 10:09 GMT
#2922
On November 13 2011 19:04 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 17:53 Hier wrote:
Can someone explain to me why MVP vs MMA and Naniwa vs Whita-Ra were an extended series, please?

Also why isn't MLG Invitational not in either of the TLPDs?


MMA beat MVP in the Winners Bracket 2-0 and knocked him down to Losers bracket. White-Ra did the same to Naniwa.
Both MVP and Naniwa came back with revenge and managed to beat them in the extended series.

I don't really see anything that supports that. Bomber knocked MVP down to losers bracket. SaSa did the same to Naniwa. Am I looking at something completely different?

+ Show Spoiler [response from dani'] +

On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
It wasn't an extended series, the player from the loser bracket simply had to win 2 BO3s, the player from the winners bracket had to win 1.

Ah, thanks!
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 10:42:25
November 13 2011 10:37 GMT
#2923
On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
In the Liquipedia it says the following:
Europe: Due to NaNiwa winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with NaNiwa up 2-0.
Korea: Due to Mvp winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with Mvp up 2-0.

Kind of a weird construct. It means the player from the winner bracket suddenly has to win 3 or 4 games while his opponent only has to win 2 in the 'extended Bo7' if the winner bracket player lost the first Bo3. However, he can also win the entire thing by simply winning the first Bo3 2-0 or 2-1. Crazy hard punishment for losing the first Bo3.

Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.

I guess MLG is just in love with their extended series and uses them whenever they can ^_^

Ok

-Of the 4 finalists, MVP, MMA, and White-Ra went 2-0 in their first Bo3.
-Naniwa, even though went to losers' bracket in the first round started the series against White-Ra 2-0 in his favor.
-MVP went to losers' bracket in the second round, and ended up getting a 2-0 head start over MMA.
-None of the 2 pairs of finalists met each other in the tourney before.
-Both Naniwa and MVP defeated the player that knocked them down to losers' bracket to begin with (SaSe and Bomber, respectively) before moving on to the finals.
-Both SaSe and Bomber lost to both finalists.

SOMEONE messed up somewhere.

(double post: my previous post was meant to squeeze in before dani')

EDIT:
Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.

That would make sense; the same format used at Blizzcon. But it wasn't used in this case.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 10:44:41
November 13 2011 10:42 GMT
#2924
On November 13 2011 19:37 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
In the Liquipedia it says the following:
Europe: Due to NaNiwa winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with NaNiwa up 2-0.
Korea: Due to Mvp winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with Mvp up 2-0.

Kind of a weird construct. It means the player from the winner bracket suddenly has to win 3 or 4 games while his opponent only has to win 2 in the 'extended Bo7' if the winner bracket player lost the first Bo3. However, he can also win the entire thing by simply winning the first Bo3 2-0 or 2-1. Crazy hard punishment for losing the first Bo3.

Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.

I guess MLG is just in love with their extended series and uses them whenever they can ^_^

Ok

-Of the 4 finalists, MMA, White-Ra, and MMA went 2-0 in their first Bo3.
-Naniwa, even though went to losers' bracket in the first round started the series against White-Ra 2-0 in his favor.
-MVP went to losers' bracket in the second round, and ended up getting a 2-0 head start over MMA.
-None of the 2 pairs of finalists met each other in the tourney before.
-Both Naniwa and MVP defeated the player that knocked them down to losers' bracket to begin with (SaSe and Bomber, respectively) before moving on to the finals.
-Both SaSe and Bomber lost to both finalists.

SOMEONE messed up somewhere.

(double post: my previous post was meant to squeeze in before dani')

The finals never started as an extended series Bo7. It started as Bo3 with 2 possible follow ups:

1) Player who came from Winner Bracket (MMA, White-Ra) wins (2-0 or 2-1) => They win the tournament
2) Player who came from Loser Bracket wins (2-0 or 2-1) => Series continues as Bo7, starting with the score from the Bo3 (so Naniwa up 2-0, MVP up 2-0 because they both won 2-0).

"First Bo3" refers to the initial Bo3 of the final. I agree the term 'first' is weird because there will never be a second one; the tournament will be over OR there will be this extended series Bo7.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
November 13 2011 10:44 GMT
#2925
On November 13 2011 19:42 dani` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 19:37 Hier wrote:
On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
In the Liquipedia it says the following:
Europe: Due to NaNiwa winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with NaNiwa up 2-0.
Korea: Due to Mvp winning the first Bo3 2-0, the series continues as an extended series Bo7 with Mvp up 2-0.

Kind of a weird construct. It means the player from the winner bracket suddenly has to win 3 or 4 games while his opponent only has to win 2 in the 'extended Bo7' if the winner bracket player lost the first Bo3. However, he can also win the entire thing by simply winning the first Bo3 2-0 or 2-1. Crazy hard punishment for losing the first Bo3.

Simply playing 1 final Bo3 if the loser bracket player wins the first one makes a lot more sense. At that point, both players have lost 1 Bo3 in the tournament, so use one final Bo3 (or Bo5/Bo7) starting at 0-0 to determine the champion.

I guess MLG is just in love with their extended series and uses them whenever they can ^_^

Ok

-Of the 4 finalists, MMA, White-Ra, and MMA went 2-0 in their first Bo3.
-Naniwa, even though went to losers' bracket in the first round started the series against White-Ra 2-0 in his favor.
-MVP went to losers' bracket in the second round, and ended up getting a 2-0 head start over MMA.
-None of the 2 pairs of finalists met each other in the tourney before.
-Both Naniwa and MVP defeated the player that knocked them down to losers' bracket to begin with (SaSe and Bomber, respectively) before moving on to the finals.
-Both SaSe and Bomber lost to both finalists.

SOMEONE messed up somewhere.

(double post: my previous post was meant to squeeze in before dani')

The finals never started as an extended series Bo7. It started as Bo3 with 2 possible follow ups:

1) Player who came from Winner Bracket (MMA, White-Ra) wins (2-0 or 2-1) => They win the tournament
2) Player who came from Loser Bracket wins (2-0 or 2-1) => Series continues as Bo7, starting with the score from the Bo3 (so Naniwa up 2-0, MVP up 2-0 because they both won 2-0).

Fine!
I got it.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Carny
Profile Joined April 2009
Croatia284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 10:47:37
November 13 2011 10:47 GMT
#2926
While MLG always had great tournaments in the past their rules always sucked ass and that's exactly the reason why we didn't have any exciting finals yet. And this Global Invitational Finals rule is ridiculous. Normally if the guy coming from the winner bracket loses the 1st Bo3 he and the contender from the LB should be on equal footing, but with this system it is really hard to come back if you lose the first series because of that gay ass extended series. That doesn't make any sense. How can the guy from the Loser Bracket have a lead before they go into the deciding match.
Shutting from the Sky
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
November 13 2011 17:07 GMT
#2927
Where can I find vods? Or do I just have to wait for them to come up on the site?
crack
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
November 13 2011 17:11 GMT
#2928
Congrats to Naniwa. He finally won something after going to Korea. Now he just needs to go kick some ass in Providence.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
November 13 2011 17:25 GMT
#2929
Where are dem VODs? TTTTTT
SaSe fan club manager
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
November 13 2011 22:54 GMT
#2930
Tons of VODs are still missing. That or I'm just crazy.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Trigger1101
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden80 Posts
November 14 2011 21:46 GMT
#2931
Still no vods up wtf !?!?!?
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
November 14 2011 22:11 GMT
#2932
On November 13 2011 19:07 feanor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 00:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On November 12 2011 00:18 spacenegroes wrote:
There are no dates or times or a schedule for the finals in the OP.

How am I supposed to know when to tune in?

They are taking place the Friday of MLG Providence. I believe that is Nov 18

Worth pointing out or at least being more clear. The finals of the global invitational are pretty much a kickoff tournament for the the whole MLG. They will be played live from Providence, RI.


Really?!

THAT'S AWESOME!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 14 2011 22:22 GMT
#2933
On November 15 2011 07:11 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 19:07 feanor1 wrote:
On November 12 2011 00:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On November 12 2011 00:18 spacenegroes wrote:
There are no dates or times or a schedule for the finals in the OP.

How am I supposed to know when to tune in?

They are taking place the Friday of MLG Providence. I believe that is Nov 18

Worth pointing out or at least being more clear. The finals of the global invitational are pretty much a kickoff tournament for the the whole MLG. They will be played live from Providence, RI.


Really?!

THAT'S AWESOME!


It's supposed to make MVP and NesTea more tired, so everybody has a fair chance of making it through the Open Bracket.
ForTheDream
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany1780 Posts
November 15 2011 18:32 GMT
#2934
Can we expect VoDs of the Regional Brackets before Providence?
In BurNIng we trust.
Shounen
Profile Joined October 2011
Brazil20 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-18 18:26:40
November 18 2011 18:26 GMT
#2935
Europe finals alredy played? WhiteRa won? Wheres VODS?
More gg more skill
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 18 2011 18:32 GMT
#2936
On November 13 2011 19:09 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 19:04 snafoo wrote:
On November 13 2011 17:53 Hier wrote:
Can someone explain to me why MVP vs MMA and Naniwa vs Whita-Ra were an extended series, please?

Also why isn't MLG Invitational not in either of the TLPDs?


MMA beat MVP in the Winners Bracket 2-0 and knocked him down to Losers bracket. White-Ra did the same to Naniwa.
Both MVP and Naniwa came back with revenge and managed to beat them in the extended series.

I don't really see anything that supports that. Bomber knocked MVP down to losers bracket. SaSa did the same to Naniwa. Am I looking at something completely different?

+ Show Spoiler [response from dani'] +

On November 13 2011 19:09 dani` wrote:
It wasn't an extended series, the player from the loser bracket simply had to win 2 BO3s, the player from the winners bracket had to win 1.

Ah, thanks!

It was an extended series, because MLG doesn't have a solid idea on how Loser's Bracket works.

The player from the Loser's Bracket wins the first Bo3 there isn't a second Bo3, instead the player from the Winner's bracket is now down 0-2 or 1-2 in a Bo7. This means a player from the winner's bracket has to potentially win 5 matches to beat the player from the loser's bracket who only needs to win 4.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
xCenasfu
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland143 Posts
November 18 2011 18:37 GMT
#2937
When are the finals played?
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 18 2011 18:44 GMT
#2938
On November 19 2011 03:37 xCenasfu wrote:
When are the finals played?

Today at Providence.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
November 18 2011 18:54 GMT
#2939
This means a player from the winner's bracket has to potentially win 5 matches to beat the player from the loser's bracket who only needs to win 4.


No, because if the player from the winner's bracket loses the initial Bo3 2-1, then the score continues in to the extended series, so they only need 3 more, or 4 overall. If they lose 2-0, they need to win 4 more games, so 4 overall, and if they win the Bo3, they only need to win 2. There's no way that they need to win 5.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 18 2011 19:22 GMT
#2940
man good thing we have these vods to get to know how these players got to the grand finals.
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