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VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
November 11 2011 02:42 GMT
#2901
Nani looking pretty dominant GGs.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
November 11 2011 02:42 GMT
#2902
On November 11 2011 11:36 Dakure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 10:45 Telcontar wrote:
On November 11 2011 10:40 tuho12345 wrote:
On November 11 2011 10:30 Telcontar wrote:
I guess 4 gate wasn't really the problem. Protoss will still find ways to kill you on 1 base.

Who cares, that game was awesome as hell. You want tanks vs tanks for 50 mins or quick and tense game?

I want all strats to be viable, like TvT is right now. PvP is still way too 1-basey.

I think that's just how Protoss is supposed to be.
For example, Zerg has the capability to expand quickly, and loosely speaking, an n + 1 base Zerg is about as strong as a n base Protoss or Terran. This translates into having weak low base strategies.
Terran doesn't expand as quickly as Zerg but generally expands faster than Protoss. In TvZ, I think it's fair to accept that a lower base Terran is as strong as a slightly more base Zerg (maybe one more base, not necessarily fully saturated). I don't know PvT as well but save the 1-1-1 all in, Terran seems to need the extra bases for the army to keep up with the Protoss army. Protoss is a race that's slow to expand. But it must compete somehow, right? They're just stronger off less bases.

These differences might be bases on mobility and the way each race constructs their town hall (300 mins for Zerg, 400 for Terran but it can float, 400 for Protoss but must be built at site.)

Thus, I'm okay with Protoss being strong off one base/fewer bases. Though it's annoying on small maps.


Looking at games on larger maps in the GSL, generally Protoss is equal or one base ahead of Terran. At least this is what I have noticed recently. For example, on one of the recent PvTs on the largest map Calm Before the Storm, I think I saw a Protoss on 4 or 5 bases and the Terran was just getting his fourth, was on 3 for a while. The longer the game goes, it seems Protoss expands more than Terran, it's just that the games usually do not go that long and often Terrans can get their 3rds up quicker than a Protoss.

What it really has to do with cost efficiency of units. I saw a game PvZ between HerO and a Zerg that had a split map Metalopolis, and the reason it was ok for the Zerg (who admittedly ended up losing eventually) was that the Protoss was doing damage, but inefficiently with lots of Dark Templars and Zealots. This necessitated more bases, and the Zerg could remain on equal bases while not losing the game for a long time. So I think it's more about composition than about number of bases. Zergs have generally less cost efficient units so they need more bases.
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TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
November 11 2011 02:43 GMT
#2903
IdrA, Naniwa, Nestea and MVP. Wow, that's some fucking tournament.
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
November 11 2011 02:44 GMT
#2904
On November 11 2011 11:31 Yonnua wrote:
Naniwa didn't have 300 minerals so he could only have built the forge, not a cannon as well.


Ah, forgot about the 100 he had to plop down for the pylon, too.
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zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
November 11 2011 02:46 GMT
#2905
MVP just gave Nestea a free trip to Providence
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 11 2011 05:21 GMT
#2906
On November 11 2011 11:43 TheHova wrote:
IdrA, Naniwa, Nestea and MVP. Wow, that's some fucking tournament.


How is nestea in this global invitational? Can someone clarify for me :o.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Naded
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada174 Posts
November 11 2011 05:27 GMT
#2907
On November 11 2011 14:21 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 11:43 TheHova wrote:
IdrA, Naniwa, Nestea and MVP. Wow, that's some fucking tournament.


How is nestea in this global invitational? Can someone clarify for me :o.


Because of Blizzcon
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VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
November 11 2011 05:28 GMT
#2908
On November 11 2011 14:21 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 11:43 TheHova wrote:
IdrA, Naniwa, Nestea and MVP. Wow, that's some fucking tournament.


How is nestea in this global invitational? Can someone clarify for me :o.

Because he came 2nd in blizzcon, after MVP who was already qualified, i think.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 11 2011 05:33 GMT
#2909
On November 11 2011 14:27 Naded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 14:21 blade55555 wrote:
On November 11 2011 11:43 TheHova wrote:
IdrA, Naniwa, Nestea and MVP. Wow, that's some fucking tournament.


How is nestea in this global invitational? Can someone clarify for me :o.


Because of Blizzcon


Ah ok mystery solved thank you! :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
November 11 2011 09:33 GMT
#2910
I just wonder why its so hard to update the brackets? Its annoying like shit that games can be played for weeks without nothing happening in that bracket. Its not rocket science to update them.
plutonowy
Profile Joined August 2011
Afghanistan287 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 09:42:25
November 11 2011 09:39 GMT
#2911
nvm


i got it.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 11 2011 13:10 GMT
#2912
The finals of this tournament are going to be amazing. Idra, Nestea, MVP, Naniwa? Sick good lineup.
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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
November 11 2011 13:15 GMT
#2913
Haha, it makes me wonder if Nestea and MVP even need sponsors to fly them around at this point.
Gameplay > Personality
Trigger1101
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden80 Posts
November 11 2011 15:10 GMT
#2914
When will the vods be up ?
spacenegroes
Profile Joined December 2010
United States80 Posts
November 11 2011 15:18 GMT
#2915
There are no dates or times or a schedule for the finals in the OP.

How am I supposed to know when to tune in?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 11 2011 15:24 GMT
#2916
On November 12 2011 00:18 spacenegroes wrote:
There are no dates or times or a schedule for the finals in the OP.

How am I supposed to know when to tune in?

They are taking place the Friday of MLG Providence. I believe that is Nov 18
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nempou
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden6 Posts
November 12 2011 10:01 GMT
#2917
any chance the vods will actually be up before the finals?
jovars
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
November 13 2011 08:53 GMT
#2918
Can someone explain to me why MVP vs MMA and Naniwa vs Whita-Ra were an extended series, please?

Also why isn't MLG Invitational not in either of the TLPDs?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
November 13 2011 10:04 GMT
#2919
On November 13 2011 17:53 Hier wrote:
Can someone explain to me why MVP vs MMA and Naniwa vs Whita-Ra were an extended series, please?

Also why isn't MLG Invitational not in either of the TLPDs?


MMA beat MVP in the Winners Bracket 2-0 and knocked him down to Losers bracket. White-Ra did the same to Naniwa.
Both MVP and Naniwa came back with revenge and managed to beat them in the extended series.
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
November 13 2011 10:07 GMT
#2920
On November 12 2011 00:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 00:18 spacenegroes wrote:
There are no dates or times or a schedule for the finals in the OP.

How am I supposed to know when to tune in?

They are taking place the Friday of MLG Providence. I believe that is Nov 18

Worth pointing out or at least being more clear. The finals of the global invitational are pretty much a kickoff tournament for the the whole MLG. They will be played live from Providence, RI.
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