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Please keep the following things out of this topic:

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This topic for talk about the games, not your general dislike for a certain matchup or SC2 in general. Enjoy this free event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games!

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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 06 2011 10:24 GMT
#581
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.


Siege tanks?
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
September 06 2011 10:24 GMT
#582
On September 06 2011 19:22 babylon wrote:
So the question now is ... can Alicia's atrocious PvZ take down Leenock's atrocious ZvP?

Also, Yoda will probably 1/1/1 Alicia, but I have a tiny glimmer of hope that maybe Yoda will execute it so badly that Alicia can win.


Alicia's bad PvZ seems sliiiightly better than Leenock's bad ZvP given that they met in the Super Tournament and Alicia barely squeaked by. Not to mention that Alicia now has Coca (70% ZvP winrate) to practice with, so I'm slightly optimistic.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
September 06 2011 10:25 GMT
#583
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.

Watch Goody! He scouts with barracks!
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
SayHello
Profile Joined December 2010
Czech Republic147 Posts
September 06 2011 10:25 GMT
#584
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.

hellions are good against mass zealots , DDE uses them
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 06 2011 10:26 GMT
#585
I'm guessing Slayers poached Byun's dog from ZeNex, too. Must be the only answer for him falling to Code A after getting into the semifinals of Code S.

Damn you, Slayers. Damn you.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 06 2011 10:26 GMT
#586
On September 06 2011 19:24 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.


Siege tanks?


Against Charge Zealots ?
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 06 2011 10:26 GMT
#587
On September 06 2011 19:25 SayHello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.

hellions are good against mass zealots , DDE uses them


And Siege tanks are good too. I'm not sure what he means. I understand it's focusing on one tech tree. But, it's just dumb not to keep the option viable for a switch. = /
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
September 06 2011 10:26 GMT
#588
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations. You can't just switch into Mech if you started bio anyways , it'll leave you super vulverable for way too long.

There is no point in the game where I wouldn't consider 100 minerals for a helion a sound investment.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
September 06 2011 10:27 GMT
#589
On September 06 2011 19:24 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.


Siege tanks?


To add more starports if needed.
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 06 2011 10:27 GMT
#590
On September 06 2011 19:26 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:24 Corrik wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.


Siege tanks?


Against Charge Zealots ?


I'm sure you noticed the ground type isn't even with the ramp up into his main? They aren't charging them. Correct positioning with siege tanks could have been very helpful.
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 10:27:52
September 06 2011 10:27 GMT
#591
On September 06 2011 19:24 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:22 MrCon wrote:
Byun is so screwed
edit : and yeah Byun playing not very good for a month.


Meh, I didn't think he played badly that game really.

Defended an aggressive 3 gate expo very easily after Alicia controlled his atttack terribly.

Scouted nicely in mid to confirm the tech route.

Poked around with his bio to snipe out sentries and get out without taking losses.

His drops traded pretty evenly.

He set up some fantastic emp's vs the templars initially.

Then he didn't scout double robo Colossus and lost =p

I don't know why terrans don't just build the vikings preemptively. Byun knew he would win if Alicia just stayed on templar tech, so why didn't he prepare for Alicia's only chance at winning?
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
September 06 2011 10:27 GMT
#592
5th game:

[image loading]
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
September 06 2011 10:27 GMT
#593
On September 06 2011 19:24 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.


Siege tanks?

Before 1/1/1 became extremely popular, almost no Terran went Siege tanks/mech in TvP. The fact that you have a really good scout for a long time is enough to outweigh the cost of being unpredictable, particularly in a straight up standard game.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 06 2011 10:27 GMT
#594
On September 06 2011 19:26 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:25 SayHello wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.

hellions are good against mass zealots , DDE uses them


And Siege tanks are good too. I'm not sure what he means. I understand it's focusing on one tech tree. But, it's just dumb not to keep the option viable for a switch. = /


Because you won't have any upgrade on Mech and Bio Mixed with Tanks is bad in lategame because you can't kite and the tanks will do more damage to your Bio then to the Zealots thanks to charge.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
September 06 2011 10:28 GMT
#595
On September 06 2011 19:27 KiNGxXx wrote:
5th game:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Hahahaha nice one
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
September 06 2011 10:28 GMT
#596
best player intro ever :D

"hey look it's a terran player, I think his name might be..."
Do you really want chat rooms?
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
September 06 2011 10:28 GMT
#597
On September 06 2011 19:27 KiNGxXx wrote:
5th game:

[image loading]

Hahaha nice!
[image loading]

Feel pitty for Byun, puppyterran :<
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 06 2011 10:29 GMT
#598
On September 06 2011 19:24 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:22 babylon wrote:
So the question now is ... can Alicia's atrocious PvZ take down Leenock's atrocious ZvP?

Also, Yoda will probably 1/1/1 Alicia, but I have a tiny glimmer of hope that maybe Yoda will execute it so badly that Alicia can win.


Alicia's bad PvZ seems sliiiightly better than Leenock's bad ZvP given that they met in the Super Tournament and Alicia barely squeaked by. Not to mention that Alicia now has Coca (70% ZvP winrate) to practice with, so I'm slightly optimistic.

Yeah. Go go, Protoss!

For Alicia to advance, Byun needs to beat Supernova, right? =/
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 10:29:40
September 06 2011 10:29 GMT
#599
On September 06 2011 19:27 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:26 s3rp wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:24 Corrik wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:24 s3rp wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:23 Corrik wrote:
I still don't understand why Terrans float factories. It basically tells the opponent they don't have to prepare for anything out of it. Keep the option open. Heck, it might even be viable to switch to it at some point.


To build what ? Factory units are not good in lategame situations.


Siege tanks?


Against Charge Zealots ?


I'm sure you noticed the ground type isn't even with the ramp up into his main? They aren't charging them. Correct positioning with siege tanks could have been very helpful.


And if you get hit on the open on Terminus you are dead. Terminus is one of the few Maps where Bio is good in TvT for that exact same reason. Tanks suck on that Map.
Swad1000
Profile Joined January 2011
United States366 Posts
September 06 2011 10:29 GMT
#600
Stay away from pressing random buttons on your keyboard using the gom viewer. Right now wolf and doa are slowed down and sound drunk. Screen is spiraling out of control.
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