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Stop with the stupid TT1 discussion, this topic is no place for it and you can all express your likes and dislikes in a more respectful and constructive manner. ~Nyovne
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
August 31 2011 14:11 GMT
#3461
On August 31 2011 23:02 IVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 22:56 Mithridates wrote:
Terran vs Protoss is fundamentally broken. Terran can 1 rax FE all day while when protoss does it they automatically die to terran all ins. Protoss needs some sort of defensive advantage against terran in the mid game

"mid game"???

They need it in the early game. Under the 10 min mark.

dont think so. protoss has some flashy opening against terran, but after the mid game protoss has only one strategy they can use, and terran has hundreds of ways to counter.

imho terran is imba because a terran player can chose between 2 different "skill trees", as a wow player would say, either bio (with air support) or mech (with air support). protoss and zerg only have 1 option available
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
vBr
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden193 Posts
August 31 2011 14:14 GMT
#3462
On August 31 2011 22:56 Mithridates wrote:
Terran vs Protoss is fundamentally broken. Terran can 1 rax FE all day while when protoss does it they automatically die to terran all ins. Protoss needs some sort of defensive advantage against terran in the mid game



Not really wrong but to be a wiseass; to survive the traditional 1/1/1 all in, you are forced to 15 nexus or 1gate exp. While a colossus rush (or other possible strat) on 1 base can survive the initial wave of 1/1/1, you will lose to a contain if you don't grab that fast exp. The problem that actually exists is that protoss is Forced to fastexp to survive all ins, and terran can punish that as well which creates a difficult situation for early game protoss.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 31 2011 14:16 GMT
#3463
On August 31 2011 23:05 MechKing wrote:
Can someone summarize the MVP games for me? it would really help :3 Ty

1. Huk does his signature 1 Gate expand. MVP goes for a Tank Marine all-in (He didn't have Banshees, I thiiink he had Medivacs but I'm not sure because I saw the game just as I woke up) and wins fairly easily.

2. Huk attempts a 3 Gate Void push and MVP looks like he's going for a 1-1-1. Huk loses his only Void Ray to a Viking at the back of the base killing only a few Marines and I think a Depot, but he does ok-ish damage at the front with some Stalkers. Huk pulls back and makes a Nexus, Robo (for detection) and Council, MVP's 1-1-1 push comes and demolishes Huk.

3. Huk decides to go for a 3 Gate expand this game, and MVP goes for 1 Rax expand. Huk loses a lot of Stalkers he shouldn't have early on and he loses ability to pressure as MVP pushes him all the way back to his base with Marines while creating a Bunker line. The game turns into a normal macro game, with MVP taking a super fast 3rd and Huk going for a Colossus-based army. Huk gets lead around the map and has his army in weird positions which lets MVP amass Vikings and demolish Huk's army as he mass expands.

From my memory, may have forgot to mention something.
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
August 31 2011 14:17 GMT
#3464
I feel bad for HuK, but I mean, at least he went out to someone like MVP
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Coufu
Profile Joined July 2010
Guam137 Posts
August 31 2011 14:19 GMT
#3465
On August 31 2011 23:16 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:05 MechKing wrote:
Can someone summarize the MVP games for me? it would really help :3 Ty

1. Huk does his signature 1 Gate expand. MVP goes for a Tank Marine all-in (He didn't have Banshees, I thiiink he had Medivacs but I'm not sure because I saw the game just as I woke up) and wins fairly easily.

2. Huk attempts a 3 Gate Void push and MVP looks like he's going for a 1-1-1. Huk loses his only Void Ray to a Viking at the back of the base killing only a few Marines and I think a Depot, but he does ok-ish damage at the front with some Stalkers. Huk pulls back and makes a Nexus, Robo (for detection) and Council, MVP's 1-1-1 push comes and demolishes Huk.

3. Huk decides to go for a 3 Gate expand this game, and MVP goes for 1 Rax expand. Huk loses a lot of Stalkers he shouldn't have early on and he loses ability to pressure as MVP pushes him all the way back to his base with Marines while creating a Bunker line. The game turns into a normal macro game, with MVP taking a super fast 3rd and Huk going for a Colossus-based army. Huk gets lead around the map and has his army in weird positions which lets MVP amass Vikings and demolish Huk's army as he mass expands.

From my memory, may have forgot to mention something.


In game 3, I think it's also important to note that MVP made a 3rd CC before gas
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
August 31 2011 14:19 GMT
#3466
On August 31 2011 23:16 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:05 MechKing wrote:
Can someone summarize the MVP games for me? it would really help :3 Ty

1. Huk does his signature 1 Gate expand. MVP goes for a Tank Marine all-in (He didn't have Banshees, I thiiink he had Medivacs but I'm not sure because I saw the game just as I woke up) and wins fairly easily.

2. Huk attempts a 3 Gate Void push and MVP looks like he's going for a 1-1-1. Huk loses his only Void Ray to a Viking at the back of the base killing only a few Marines and I think a Depot, but he does ok-ish damage at the front with some Stalkers. Huk pulls back and makes a Nexus, Robo (for detection) and Council, MVP's 1-1-1 push comes and demolishes Huk.

3. Huk decides to go for a 3 Gate expand this game, and MVP goes for 1 Rax expand. Huk loses a lot of Stalkers he shouldn't have early on and he loses ability to pressure as MVP pushes him all the way back to his base with Marines while creating a Bunker line. The game turns into a normal macro game, with MVP taking a super fast 3rd and Huk going for a Colossus-based army. Huk gets lead around the map and has his army in weird positions which lets MVP amass Vikings and demolish Huk's army as he mass expands.

From my memory, may have forgot to mention something.

Thanks a lot man
Squalish
Profile Joined April 2010
United States137 Posts
August 31 2011 14:25 GMT
#3467
Some great play by mvp, but people need to stop acting like that was huk's, and by extension, protosses, best. He made SO many mistakes that he wouldn't have made under normal circumstances. He was clearly not on his A game today; and I'm not saying if he was, that he would have beat mvp, but it would have definitely been far more competitive to say the least. Huk needs some rest and practice.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 31 2011 14:25 GMT
#3468
On August 31 2011 20:53 Valikyr wrote:
July is such a tactical player. If July just fixes his sometimes lacking mechanics then we can start talking about banjos.


That literally killed me. I'm like "Yeah July, now we're talking, bring out the banjos." That was so funny man.
Mithridates
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
August 31 2011 14:27 GMT
#3469
Not really wrong but to be a wiseass; to survive the traditional 1/1/1 all in, you are forced to 15 nexus or 1gate exp. While a colossus rush (or other possible strat) on 1 base can survive the initial wave of 1/1/1, you will lose to a contain if you don't grab that fast exp. The problem that actually exists is that protoss is Forced to fastexp to survive all ins, and terran can punish that as well which creates a difficult situation for early game protoss.


If by difficult you mean coin flip then yes, I agree with your post
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
August 31 2011 14:33 GMT
#3470
July beat mvp last they met in a b03 if my memory serves me, one game being a ridiculous comeback. Hope he can do it again.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 31 2011 14:34 GMT
#3471
On August 31 2011 23:19 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:16 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 31 2011 23:05 MechKing wrote:
Can someone summarize the MVP games for me? it would really help :3 Ty

1. Huk does his signature 1 Gate expand. MVP goes for a Tank Marine all-in (He didn't have Banshees, I thiiink he had Medivacs but I'm not sure because I saw the game just as I woke up) and wins fairly easily.

2. Huk attempts a 3 Gate Void push and MVP looks like he's going for a 1-1-1. Huk loses his only Void Ray to a Viking at the back of the base killing only a few Marines and I think a Depot, but he does ok-ish damage at the front with some Stalkers. Huk pulls back and makes a Nexus, Robo (for detection) and Council, MVP's 1-1-1 push comes and demolishes Huk.

3. Huk decides to go for a 3 Gate expand this game, and MVP goes for 1 Rax expand. Huk loses a lot of Stalkers he shouldn't have early on and he loses ability to pressure as MVP pushes him all the way back to his base with Marines while creating a Bunker line. The game turns into a normal macro game, with MVP taking a super fast 3rd and Huk going for a Colossus-based army. Huk gets lead around the map and has his army in weird positions which lets MVP amass Vikings and demolish Huk's army as he mass expands.

From my memory, may have forgot to mention something.

Thanks a lot man

Is there something wrong with the live reports?

No I've been meaning to start writing summaries of each game after the day is over.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
August 31 2011 14:35 GMT
#3472
On August 31 2011 20:53 Valikyr wrote:
July is such a tactical player. If July just fixes his sometimes lacking mechanics then we can start talking about banjos.


Erm wasn't July famously a mechanical monster in BW? I seem to remember a coach of his saying early on that July needed to learn how to play the game properly, but that's the easy part because he can already click really fast?
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
August 31 2011 14:38 GMT
#3473
mvp is taking this season. The guy is leagues above everyone right now, probably even above nestea.
The Notorious Winkles
alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
August 31 2011 14:39 GMT
#3474
mvp vs polt final should be epic
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
August 31 2011 14:39 GMT
#3475
On August 31 2011 23:35 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 20:53 Valikyr wrote:
July is such a tactical player. If July just fixes his sometimes lacking mechanics then we can start talking about banjos.


Erm wasn't July famously a mechanical monster in BW? I seem to remember a coach of his saying early on that July needed to learn how to play the game properly, but that's the easy part because he can already click really fast?



He had big apm and great micro. He could also macro fine if the game went long, well enough to beat Best in game 3. And macro is all Best is known for. He definitely neglects his creep, except on maps where he specifically wants to expand it to certain locations, at least imho.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
August 31 2011 14:40 GMT
#3476

On August 31 2011 19:06 KiNGxXx wrote:
MVP with the 6 base allin


haha, this was actually funny and made me laugh

Damn Huk got steamrolled. He wasn't even close.
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 14:44:03
August 31 2011 14:41 GMT
#3477
Well let us hope MC retains code S and doesn't live up to his namesake for once and pick a group of death >.> protoss hope fighting. Also don't how in the hell anyone expected huk to beat MVP, He got 2-0ed by terrans like tarson nada and select...
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
August 31 2011 14:45 GMT
#3478
man, mvp absolutely stomped huk, a testament to how well he is playing right now.
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
August 31 2011 14:47 GMT
#3479
On August 31 2011 23:39 alan25 wrote:
mvp vs polt final should be epic


It would be the first time a GSL final was between former champions.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 31 2011 15:00 GMT
#3480
I expected Ryung to come out of this series but well done July
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
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