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On August 31 2011 23:02 IVN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 22:56 Mithridates wrote:
Terran vs Protoss is fundamentally broken. Terran can 1 rax FE all day while when protoss does it they automatically die to terran all ins. Protoss needs some sort of defensive advantage against terran in the mid game "mid game"??? They need it in the early game. Under the 10 min mark.
dont think so. protoss has some flashy opening against terran, but after the mid game protoss has only one strategy they can use, and terran has hundreds of ways to counter.
imho terran is imba because a terran player can chose between 2 different "skill trees", as a wow player would say, either bio (with air support) or mech (with air support). protoss and zerg only have 1 option available
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On August 31 2011 22:56 Mithridates wrote:
Terran vs Protoss is fundamentally broken. Terran can 1 rax FE all day while when protoss does it they automatically die to terran all ins. Protoss needs some sort of defensive advantage against terran in the mid game
Not really wrong but to be a wiseass; to survive the traditional 1/1/1 all in, you are forced to 15 nexus or 1gate exp. While a colossus rush (or other possible strat) on 1 base can survive the initial wave of 1/1/1, you will lose to a contain if you don't grab that fast exp. The problem that actually exists is that protoss is Forced to fastexp to survive all ins, and terran can punish that as well which creates a difficult situation for early game protoss.
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On August 31 2011 23:05 MechKing wrote:
Can someone summarize the MVP games for me? it would really help :3 Ty
1. Huk does his signature 1 Gate expand. MVP goes for a Tank Marine all-in (He didn't have Banshees, I thiiink he had Medivacs but I'm not sure because I saw the game just as I woke up) and wins fairly easily.
2. Huk attempts a 3 Gate Void push and MVP looks like he's going for a 1-1-1. Huk loses his only Void Ray to a Viking at the back of the base killing only a few Marines and I think a Depot, but he does ok-ish damage at the front with some Stalkers. Huk pulls back and makes a Nexus, Robo (for detection) and Council, MVP's 1-1-1 push comes and demolishes Huk.
3. Huk decides to go for a 3 Gate expand this game, and MVP goes for 1 Rax expand. Huk loses a lot of Stalkers he shouldn't have early on and he loses ability to pressure as MVP pushes him all the way back to his base with Marines while creating a Bunker line. The game turns into a normal macro game, with MVP taking a super fast 3rd and Huk going for a Colossus-based army. Huk gets lead around the map and has his army in weird positions which lets MVP amass Vikings and demolish Huk's army as he mass expands.
From my memory, may have forgot to mention something.
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I feel bad for HuK, but I mean, at least he went out to someone like MVP
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On August 31 2011 23:16 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 23:05 MechKing wrote:
Can someone summarize the MVP games for me? it would really help :3 Ty 1. Huk does his signature 1 Gate expand. MVP goes for a Tank Marine all-in (He didn't have Banshees, I thiiink he had Medivacs but I'm not sure because I saw the game just as I woke up) and wins fairly easily. 2. Huk attempts a 3 Gate Void push and MVP looks like he's going for a 1-1-1. Huk loses his only Void Ray to a Viking at the back of the base killing only a few Marines and I think a Depot, but he does ok-ish damage at the front with some Stalkers. Huk pulls back and makes a Nexus, Robo (for detection) and Council, MVP's 1-1-1 push comes and demolishes Huk. 3. Huk decides to go for a 3 Gate expand this game, and MVP goes for 1 Rax expand. Huk loses a lot of Stalkers he shouldn't have early on and he loses ability to pressure as MVP pushes him all the way back to his base with Marines while creating a Bunker line. The game turns into a normal macro game, with MVP taking a super fast 3rd and Huk going for a Colossus-based army. Huk gets lead around the map and has his army in weird positions which lets MVP amass Vikings and demolish Huk's army as he mass expands. From my memory, may have forgot to mention something.
In game 3, I think it's also important to note that MVP made a 3rd CC before gas 
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On August 31 2011 23:16 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 23:05 MechKing wrote:
Can someone summarize the MVP games for me? it would really help :3 Ty 1. Huk does his signature 1 Gate expand. MVP goes for a Tank Marine all-in (He didn't have Banshees, I thiiink he had Medivacs but I'm not sure because I saw the game just as I woke up) and wins fairly easily. 2. Huk attempts a 3 Gate Void push and MVP looks like he's going for a 1-1-1. Huk loses his only Void Ray to a Viking at the back of the base killing only a few Marines and I think a Depot, but he does ok-ish damage at the front with some Stalkers. Huk pulls back and makes a Nexus, Robo (for detection) and Council, MVP's 1-1-1 push comes and demolishes Huk. 3. Huk decides to go for a 3 Gate expand this game, and MVP goes for 1 Rax expand. Huk loses a lot of Stalkers he shouldn't have early on and he loses ability to pressure as MVP pushes him all the way back to his base with Marines while creating a Bunker line. The game turns into a normal macro game, with MVP taking a super fast 3rd and Huk going for a Colossus-based army. Huk gets lead around the map and has his army in weird positions which lets MVP amass Vikings and demolish Huk's army as he mass expands. From my memory, may have forgot to mention something.
Thanks a lot man
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Some great play by mvp, but people need to stop acting like that was huk's, and by extension, protosses, best. He made SO many mistakes that he wouldn't have made under normal circumstances. He was clearly not on his A game today; and I'm not saying if he was, that he would have beat mvp, but it would have definitely been far more competitive to say the least. Huk needs some rest and practice.
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On August 31 2011 20:53 Valikyr wrote:
July is such a tactical player. If July just fixes his sometimes lacking mechanics then we can start talking about banjos.
That literally killed me. I'm like "Yeah July, now we're talking, bring out the banjos." That was so funny man.
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Not really wrong but to be a wiseass; to survive the traditional 1/1/1 all in, you are forced to 15 nexus or 1gate exp. While a colossus rush (or other possible strat) on 1 base can survive the initial wave of 1/1/1, you will lose to a contain if you don't grab that fast exp. The problem that actually exists is that protoss is Forced to fastexp to survive all ins, and terran can punish that as well which creates a difficult situation for early game protoss.
If by difficult you mean coin flip then yes, I agree with your post
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July beat mvp last they met in a b03 if my memory serves me, one game being a ridiculous comeback. Hope he can do it again.
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On August 31 2011 23:19 MechKing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 23:16 ZAiNs wrote:On August 31 2011 23:05 MechKing wrote:
Can someone summarize the MVP games for me? it would really help :3 Ty 1. Huk does his signature 1 Gate expand. MVP goes for a Tank Marine all-in (He didn't have Banshees, I thiiink he had Medivacs but I'm not sure because I saw the game just as I woke up) and wins fairly easily. 2. Huk attempts a 3 Gate Void push and MVP looks like he's going for a 1-1-1. Huk loses his only Void Ray to a Viking at the back of the base killing only a few Marines and I think a Depot, but he does ok-ish damage at the front with some Stalkers. Huk pulls back and makes a Nexus, Robo (for detection) and Council, MVP's 1-1-1 push comes and demolishes Huk. 3. Huk decides to go for a 3 Gate expand this game, and MVP goes for 1 Rax expand. Huk loses a lot of Stalkers he shouldn't have early on and he loses ability to pressure as MVP pushes him all the way back to his base with Marines while creating a Bunker line. The game turns into a normal macro game, with MVP taking a super fast 3rd and Huk going for a Colossus-based army. Huk gets lead around the map and has his army in weird positions which lets MVP amass Vikings and demolish Huk's army as he mass expands. From my memory, may have forgot to mention something. Thanks a lot man
Is there something wrong with the live reports? 
No I've been meaning to start writing summaries of each game after the day is over.
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On August 31 2011 20:53 Valikyr wrote:
July is such a tactical player. If July just fixes his sometimes lacking mechanics then we can start talking about banjos.
Erm wasn't July famously a mechanical monster in BW? I seem to remember a coach of his saying early on that July needed to learn how to play the game properly, but that's the easy part because he can already click really fast?
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mvp is taking this season. The guy is leagues above everyone right now, probably even above nestea.
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mvp vs polt final should be epic
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On August 31 2011 23:35 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 20:53 Valikyr wrote:
July is such a tactical player. If July just fixes his sometimes lacking mechanics then we can start talking about banjos. Erm wasn't July famously a mechanical monster in BW? I seem to remember a coach of his saying early on that July needed to learn how to play the game properly, but that's the easy part because he can already click really fast?
He had big apm and great micro. He could also macro fine if the game went long, well enough to beat Best in game 3. And macro is all Best is known for. He definitely neglects his creep, except on maps where he specifically wants to expand it to certain locations, at least imho.
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On August 31 2011 19:06 KiNGxXx wrote:MVP with the 6 base allin 
haha, this was actually funny and made me laugh
Damn Huk got steamrolled. He wasn't even close.
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Well let us hope MC retains code S and doesn't live up to his namesake for once and pick a group of death >.> protoss hope fighting. Also don't how in the hell anyone expected huk to beat MVP, He got 2-0ed by terrans like tarson nada and select...
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man, mvp absolutely stomped huk, a testament to how well he is playing right now.
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On August 31 2011 23:39 alan25 wrote:
mvp vs polt final should be epic
It would be the first time a GSL final was between former champions.
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I expected Ryung to come out of this series but well done July
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