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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 07 2011 17:16 GMT
#5381
On August 08 2011 02:16 Denzil wrote:
I presume Carmac is polish then?

Yup, he is Polish.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Dezzeh
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands45 Posts
August 07 2011 17:16 GMT
#5382
This has been nothing short of AWESOME. Excellent production and great job by everyone involved. The crowd was amazing too :D

Big grats to the winners and especially Ret <3<3.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
August 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#5383
On August 08 2011 02:05 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:03 TeWy wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:46 Bliznako wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:43 sleepingdog wrote:
We need more PvZ early all-ins to change the metagame. This is ridiculous


Exactly my thoughts... Unlike terrans, protoss players seem to have stopped doing the one base all ins or early pressure, allowing zergs to start with three bases (?), droning up to 60+ drones in the first few minutes.

I totally cannot understand this trend. Ret was playing the same style few months ago and was blown away in Korea by early pàressure, always overdroning being his doom and now the same style reaps rewards. And please don't tell me how much he has improved - Ret has always been a macro beast, looks like his time has come.


I can't make a 4 gate work against Zerg in Master league, so I've great doubts that it will ever work at this level.
Protoss simply can't put pressure on the Zerg, and Zerg have figured out that these voidray/phoenixes harass were easily shut down by a few spore crawlers.
So what can you do as Protoss ?

Random timing pushes still occasionaly work though.
Sad thing is that they it relies entirely on Zerg mistakes.

Btw with the exception of MLG (dominated by Korean Terrans), every recent tournaments have been won by Zerg: GSL code S, WCG China, Assembly, now blizzcon, and btw one of the finalist of the current GO4SC2 is a Zerg as well (second might also be Zerg).
And the most depressing is that you can't blame the infestors for that... It's more due to the fact that Zerg players learned how to use their lategame units and repell the timing pushes...




That's what I have been saying for months now,only difference is I think the lack of 1 base play for P against zerg comes from the warpgate nerf(4 gate) which was the only real 1 base play you could do against zerg
Now we have....umm well.....cannons i guess.


I would much rather have a macro spell which matches inject larvae in a macro game rather than being able to pull out gimmicky 1 base blind all-in.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 17:17:29
August 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#5384
What an awesome event!
Awesome players, awesome casters, awesome crowd!
Cheers to our polish neighbours!
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
August 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#5385
American idra fanboys are delusional. They even think destiny and spanishiwa are top contenders for the Zerg race. I'm not surprised though, American GM is like diamond EU and gold KR.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
August 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#5386
On August 08 2011 02:14 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:12 hifriend wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:59 soulist wrote:
I like how Ret wins 1 championship in the last 6 months and everyone jumps on his bandwagon saying he is one of the top 3 foreign zergs. Idra and Sen are way more consistent then Dimaga and Ret.


LOL

Wtf has idra won.. ever? I mean yeah he won an early MLG (before koreans and europeans even attended) and that all american 16 player invite tournament.. but that's it. Winning this and assembly makes ret a bigger player in terms of accomplishment, but he's also a whole lot better just looking at performance right now.

is winning really the only significant thing?

Nope, having a lovely personality also matters.
Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
August 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#5387
EEEEESSSSPOOOOOORRRRRTTTTSSSSSS
Si vis pacem para bellum
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#5388
Oh also, THANKS A LOT!
For hosts, for commentators (<3 MrBitter, Rotterdam, Carmac and itzMorglum)
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Tezzick
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada187 Posts
August 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#5389
On August 08 2011 02:14 Njunin wrote:
The music during the ceremony was pretty awesome. Kind of sets a very "respectful" mood overall.

Dream Theater <3
"I'm a monster" - Buster
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 17:18:25
August 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#5390
On August 08 2011 02:16 crappen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:15 zeru wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:14 Whole wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:12 hifriend wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:59 soulist wrote:
I like how Ret wins 1 championship in the last 6 months and everyone jumps on his bandwagon saying he is one of the top 3 foreign zergs. Idra and Sen are way more consistent then Dimaga and Ret.


LOL

Wtf has idra won.. ever? I mean yeah he won an early MLG (before koreans and europeans even attended) and that all american 16 player invite tournament.. but that's it. Winning this and assembly makes ret a bigger player in terms of accomplishment, but he's also a whole lot better just looking at performance right now.

is winning really the only significant thing?

How else are you gonna measure success? Losing?


Yes placing second is really losing. Get a reality check mate


Should Naniwa get a reality check too?

He certainly didn't look like the guy who just won something.
disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5391
On August 08 2011 02:17 sekritzzz wrote:
American idra fanboys are delusional. They even think destiny and spanishiwa are top contenders for the Zerg race. I'm not surprised though, American GM is like diamond EU and gold KR.


QFT.

+ Show Spoiler +
What?
this game is a fucking jokie
Obstbaum
Profile Joined July 2010
Switzerland224 Posts
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5392
<3 carmac, rotti, mrbitter, ret!!!!!!!!
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5393
On August 08 2011 02:09 keioh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:03 TeWy wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:46 Bliznako wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:43 sleepingdog wrote:
We need more PvZ early all-ins to change the metagame. This is ridiculous


Exactly my thoughts... Unlike terrans, protoss players seem to have stopped doing the one base all ins or early pressure, allowing zergs to start with three bases (?), droning up to 60+ drones in the first few minutes.

I totally cannot understand this trend. Ret was playing the same style few months ago and was blown away in Korea by early pàressure, always overdroning being his doom and now the same style reaps rewards. And please don't tell me how much he has improved - Ret has always been a macro beast, looks like his time has come.


I can't make a 4 gate work against Zerg in Master league, so I've great doubts that it will ever work at this level.
Protoss simply can't put pressure on the Zerg, and Zerg have figured out that these voidray/phoenixes harass were easily shut down by a few spore crawlers.
So what can you do as Protoss ?

Random timing pushes still occasionaly work though.
Sad thing is that they it relies entirely on Zerg mistakes.

Btw with the exception of MLG (dominated by Korean Terrans), every recent tournaments have been won by Zerg: GSL code S, WCG China, Assembly, now blizzcon, and btw one of the finalist of the current GO4SC2 is a Zerg as well (second might also be Zerg).
And the most depressing is that you can't blame the infestors for that... It's more due to the fact that Zerg players learned how to use their lategame units and repell the timing pushes...




Remember the giant shitstorm about the deathball and ffe some months ago ? Those were good times : "can't sc00t protoss. Colossosisies r retardd. wat can u do wen P ffe ? cant take them 3rd dat greedy is punish at ons." for over 9000 pages of threads.

Like every build ways of circonventing it (or even countering it) will be found. Then Z will say you can't do anything against those ways. But then new maps, build will be used. Then P will... well you get the point.


So if I get your point, the zerg buffs were unnecessary (talking about fungal, and indirectly the zerg far position maps), right? Because zerg were about to find the solution to their problems anyways, right?
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5394
poor narchio didint do too well so he might be stressed on intel's extreme masters :/
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5395
On August 08 2011 02:16 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:14 Whole wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:12 hifriend wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:59 soulist wrote:
I like how Ret wins 1 championship in the last 6 months and everyone jumps on his bandwagon saying he is one of the top 3 foreign zergs. Idra and Sen are way more consistent then Dimaga and Ret.


LOL

Wtf has idra won.. ever? I mean yeah he won an early MLG (before koreans and europeans even attended) and that all american 16 player invite tournament.. but that's it. Winning this and assembly makes ret a bigger player in terms of accomplishment, but he's also a whole lot better just looking at performance right now.

is winning really the only significant thing?

what are you proposing is more significant than winning?


rage quitting maybe.
I've got moves like Jagger
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 17:19:08
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5396
Does anyone have a full list of the LA invites? Even the Blizzcon site has only four listed.

Also, HuK is listed as US and Canada on his Blizzcon profile. <3
LMPeaches
Profile Joined December 2010
United States157 Posts
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5397
Im just gonna leave this stream on music is nice
Running is the only real sport, everything else is just a game
frozenrb
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland389 Posts
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5398
On August 08 2011 02:18 astor wrote:
poor narchio didint do too well so he might be stressed on intel's extreme masters :/


He don't have much experience on events like this
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5399
On August 08 2011 02:16 Brainiac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:16 Denzil wrote:
I presume Carmac is polish then?


Yes he is. He was also a caster for polish stream.


I gathered but I thought that perhaps he just knew polish. Anyway it was indeed a big gamble for it to be in Poland.

I'll admit when I saw it announced in Poland I was like whaaaaaat What a stupid move. I didn't think it'd turn out this great. Kudos to the polish crowd and Carmac for his showmanship in making sure Poland delivered.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 17:20:15
August 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5400
On August 08 2011 02:15 darlhet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:11 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:09 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:08 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:06 sickoota wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:05 soulist wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:02 sickoota wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:59 soulist wrote:
I like how Ret wins 1 championship in the last 6 months and everyone jumps on his bandwagon saying he is one of the top 3 foreign zergs. Idra and Sen are way more consistent then Dimaga and Ret.

Sen is pretty good, but not particularly consistent, only really did well at NASL after a long long run of unsuccessful tournaments. The only thing Idra is consistent at is mediocrity, he has been going to alot of tournaments lately and never breaking top 3 in any of them.


He's been to a lot of tournaments???? WHAT. All he does is MLG and IPL. What tournaments does he go to???????

Homestory, dreamhack, every MLG? Notable performances in none of them.


He won MLG DC and got 4th at MLG Columbus.

DC was quite a bit ago cmon, ret won assembly last winter but that doesnt tell us about his shape now?


He's the one who brought up every MLG.

I think winning one is a notable performance.

4th place isn't something to sneeze at either, considering the top 3 were Koreans and this thread is talking about foreigners.

not sure what to answer, so you think that to see how good a player is now we should look at all the results they had? that's nonsense currently players like dimaga and ret step it up winning in very hard competitions vs top players , if Idra does the same he can be considered again among the best no problem;) not saying he's bad by any means , just saying that right now he's not equal with other top zergs


In this particular conversation I'm not even discussing "how good is IdrA?"

I'm correcting an incorrect statement:

"Homestory, dreamhack, every MLG? Notable performances in none of them."

This statement simply isn't true. It's factually false.
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