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On August 03 2011 11:18 NOobToss wrote:
DTs were the icing on the cake. losing your nat + DTs snacking on your production facilities. DAYMNUH.
The DTs did like nothing. He scanned as soon as they got up the ramp. They probably got 3 kills. The icing on the cake was the bunker salvage as soon as Kiwi decides to push.
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On August 03 2011 11:17 Liudo wrote:
Lol ... first few pages "EG is going to take this so easy"
"incomming IdrA all kill"
"Reign has no chance"
IdrA plays badly
Axslav plays badly
Machine plays badly
Strifeco plays badly
DeMuslim plays ok and loses anyway
Reign takes it easily
Indeed. Glad Reign won too. Much more excited to see them play coL next week. Mini vs Kiwi/Spades should be fun :D
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On August 03 2011 11:16 Dexington wrote:
Methinks EG needs to rethink its roster.
EG needs to cut lz, strifecro and axslav (possibly machine too) like right now and up get a decent protoss.
That being said that was an awful set of games.
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On August 03 2011 11:19 Kfish wrote:
I hope that changes with PuMa and their new training house!
Puma is unlikely to even play in events like these, he's only going to get flown into major events and paraded around in an EG shirt, but otherwise he'll be in Korea doing his own thing.
It was the same with Idra when he was in Korea for the most part.
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On August 03 2011 11:20 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:17 Flonomenalz wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 Crazypyro1 wrote:On August 03 2011 11:13 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had. Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers. This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless. He meant corrupters are awful against everything else in the PvZ matchup. No one uses carriers and as soon as the phoenixes die, you realize you have 40 food sitting around in the air while you get raped by archon/zealot. You realise that you have killed 40 food of his army though? and that 40 food can turn into Broodlords which hard counter Zealot/Archon. Except because of the huge amount of Corruptors you have to make, you can't hold his ground force with whatever ground force you have. You think he's gonna sit there and wait for you to get hive tech and greater spire and morph into broods just because you killed his phoenixes? Rofl. You're acting like you have to make one corruptor per phoenix. You don't.
You act like when the actual battle happens, the corruptors can get anywhere near the phoenix without being 5-shot by the 10 archons.
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On August 03 2011 11:19 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:17 Liudo wrote:
Lol ... first few pages "EG is going to take this so easy"
"incomming IdrA all kill"
"Reign has no chance"
IdrA plays badly
Axslav plays badly
Machine plays badly
Strifeco plays badly
DeMuslim plays ok and loses anyway
Reign takes it easily Strife didn't play badly. And how is massing marines off two bases playing "ok" compared to the others who played "badly"? Edit: two bases
Ok one game from Strife was ok but it was on a heavily zerg favoured map so...
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On August 03 2011 11:15 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:15 Crazypyro1 wrote:On August 03 2011 11:13 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had. Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers. This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless. He meant corrupters are awful against everything else in the PvZ matchup. No one uses carriers and as soon as the phoenixes die, you realize you have 40 food sitting around in the air while you get raped by archon/zealot. You realise that you have killed 40 food of his army though? and that 40 food can turn into Broodlords which hard counter Zealot/Archon.
Uh you wouldn't kill his pheonix ball, there's no way you're catching up to pheonix with corrupters. You would simply protect a small area from pheonix harassment. Meanwhile his much faster pheonix would still roam around the map tearing shit up.
Brood Lords? Strifecro didn't have a hive or greater spire yet. Brood lords are ridiculously expensive. Any protoss player who sees corrupters from the zerg would instantly march his ground army into Strifecro's base and there would be nothing he could do. It's not like brood lords magically appear when you want them to.
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Spades and Kiwi played phenomenally, give credit where credit is due people, sheesh.
A shame they didn't use Puma though, Slush/Kiwi vs. Puma would be epic
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On August 03 2011 11:21 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:20 Heavenly wrote:On August 03 2011 11:17 Flonomenalz wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 Crazypyro1 wrote:On August 03 2011 11:13 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had. Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers. This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless. He meant corrupters are awful against everything else in the PvZ matchup. No one uses carriers and as soon as the phoenixes die, you realize you have 40 food sitting around in the air while you get raped by archon/zealot. You realise that you have killed 40 food of his army though? and that 40 food can turn into Broodlords which hard counter Zealot/Archon. Except because of the huge amount of Corruptors you have to make, you can't hold his ground force with whatever ground force you have. You think he's gonna sit there and wait for you to get hive tech and greater spire and morph into broods just because you killed his phoenixes? Rofl. You're acting like you have to make one corruptor per phoenix. You don't. You act like when the actual battle happens, the corruptors can get anywhere near the phoenix without being 5-shot by the 10 archons.
You act like a whiny zerg 
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On August 03 2011 11:17 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:16 Megatronn wrote:
Did anyone actually think Demuslim could beat Kiwikaki ?_? Did you watch his games against MC at HSC3?
I'm assuming he lost.
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On August 03 2011 11:20 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:17 Flonomenalz wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 Crazypyro1 wrote:On August 03 2011 11:13 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had. Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers. This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless. He meant corrupters are awful against everything else in the PvZ matchup. No one uses carriers and as soon as the phoenixes die, you realize you have 40 food sitting around in the air while you get raped by archon/zealot. You realise that you have killed 40 food of his army though? and that 40 food can turn into Broodlords which hard counter Zealot/Archon. Except because of the huge amount of Corruptors you have to make, you can't hold his ground force with whatever ground force you have. You think he's gonna sit there and wait for you to get hive tech and greater spire and morph into broods just because you killed his phoenixes? Rofl. You're acting like you have to make one corruptor per phoenix. You don't. And you use the corruptors with your attack, hence you're not haing a bunch of corruptors floating around, you have canceled out their air with your air and mass roach takes care of the rest of that. You don't herp derp trying to fly your corruptors around solely to try and stop the phoenixes from harassing.
Yeah this is so ridiculous. What in the world would you need 40 food of Corruptors for? 80 Phoenix? At that point you should win anyway because the entire Protoss army comprising of nothing but Phoenix is now nullified...
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On August 03 2011 11:21 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:20 Heavenly wrote:On August 03 2011 11:17 Flonomenalz wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 Crazypyro1 wrote:On August 03 2011 11:13 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had. Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers. This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless. He meant corrupters are awful against everything else in the PvZ matchup. No one uses carriers and as soon as the phoenixes die, you realize you have 40 food sitting around in the air while you get raped by archon/zealot. You realise that you have killed 40 food of his army though? and that 40 food can turn into Broodlords which hard counter Zealot/Archon. Except because of the huge amount of Corruptors you have to make, you can't hold his ground force with whatever ground force you have. You think he's gonna sit there and wait for you to get hive tech and greater spire and morph into broods just because you killed his phoenixes? Rofl. You're acting like you have to make one corruptor per phoenix. You don't. You act like when the actual battle happens, the corruptors can get anywhere near the phoenix without being 5-shot by the 10 archons.
Spread your corruptors? Keep them behind your other units so they won't be underneath archons? He had 10 archons at the end when he had already easily defended the attacks, the game was over way before then. Before that he had maybe 3-4 archons, and he wasn't even keeping his upgrades up.
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On August 03 2011 11:18 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:17 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Ofcourse you can stop it with a bio army. You need to EMP the sentries so they can only use 1 guardian shield. Also put your scvs on hold position or have buildings to block. Marine Marauder + Medivacs with EMP and equal upgrades absolutely shred a no area of effect Protoss army. put the scv on hold too (or better have supply depots as a wall so the zealots waste their charge on it 
Did you read what I wrote T_T?
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On August 03 2011 11:22 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:21 SafeAsCheese wrote:On August 03 2011 11:20 Heavenly wrote:On August 03 2011 11:17 Flonomenalz wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 Crazypyro1 wrote:On August 03 2011 11:13 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:
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I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had. Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers. This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless. He meant corrupters are awful against everything else in the PvZ matchup. No one uses carriers and as soon as the phoenixes die, you realize you have 40 food sitting around in the air while you get raped by archon/zealot. You realise that you have killed 40 food of his army though? and that 40 food can turn into Broodlords which hard counter Zealot/Archon. Except because of the huge amount of Corruptors you have to make, you can't hold his ground force with whatever ground force you have. You think he's gonna sit there and wait for you to get hive tech and greater spire and morph into broods just because you killed his phoenixes? Rofl. You're acting like you have to make one corruptor per phoenix. You don't. You act like when the actual battle happens, the corruptors can get anywhere near the phoenix without being 5-shot by the 10 archons. You act like a whiny zerg
I say facts. If you see it as whine, then you are predisposed to thinking truth about zerg is whining.
Corruptors do belong in an army against counter archon phoenix zealot.
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On August 03 2011 11:21 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:16 Dexington wrote:
Methinks EG needs to rethink its roster. EG needs to cut lz, strifecro and axslav (possibly machine too) like right now and up get a decent protoss. That being said that was an awful set of games.
Yea seriously need a new good Protoss. Otherwise beside IdrA and Puma, I don't think anyone in that team is really decent at all.
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On August 03 2011 11:17 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:15 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:15 Crazypyro1 wrote:On August 03 2011 11:13 bennyaus wrote:On August 03 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote:On August 03 2011 11:09 Fatalize wrote:On August 03 2011 11:08 Zath.erin wrote:On August 03 2011 11:05 integrity wrote:
i think it is funny that mass phoenix beats mass hydra.
hydra are so bad even against the units they are suppose to counter I don't think Hydra are meant to counter a unit that does extra damage vs light. You would have to be kind of dense to think that. In mass numbers you need something that is armored and hits air or else AoE. - Mutas are awful against archons / pheonix - Corruptors are awful against anything So what do you do ? Mass fungal ? just snipe infestors and you're fine. Corruptors are awful against everything bu phoenix, and the point is how to counter phoenixes. Corruptors also allow guardians which rape the ground army that kiwi had. Corrupters are awful against everything? What game do you play. They are amazing vs Phoenix/Carriers (in small numbers)/Vikings/Battlecruisers. This reminds me of an earlier SOTG where Painuser was saying how good Zealots were and Inc/Tyler argued against him saying they're worthless. Lo and behold, Chargelots are like the central unit of the PvT metagame right now. People need to try these things before saying they're worthless. He meant corrupters are awful against everything else in the PvZ matchup. No one uses carriers and as soon as the phoenixes die, you realize you have 40 food sitting around in the air while you get raped by archon/zealot. You realise that you have killed 40 food of his army though? and that 40 food can turn into Broodlords which hard counter Zealot/Archon. Except because of the huge amount of Corruptors you have to make, you can't hold his ground force with whatever ground force you have. You think he's gonna sit there and wait for you to get hive tech and greater spire and morph into broods just because you killed his phoenixes? Rofl.
He could have thrown 10 corruptors into his mix instead of just pure maxing hydra and those battles would have been a lot closer and he would have thinned the pheonix numbers. Protoss isn't zerg, they take a much bigger hit if they lose a crucial part of their army. If you followed the game, Strifecro had a huge economic lead until he lost 3 massive engagements in a row that weren't even close and then he couldn't remax a 3rd time. So either right now you're saying going mass hydra like he did was a good idea, or there is literally nothing zerg can do against mass pheonix. Roach Infestor or Roach corruptor into Broodlords would have dealt with it decently.
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Congrats to Reign, well deserved.
Just curious, isn't it a bad idea to start out a format like this with your best player?
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On August 03 2011 11:21 Liudo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:19 hitpoint wrote:On August 03 2011 11:17 Liudo wrote:
Lol ... first few pages "EG is going to take this so easy"
"incomming IdrA all kill"
"Reign has no chance"
IdrA plays badly
Axslav plays badly
Machine plays badly
Strifeco plays badly
DeMuslim plays ok and loses anyway
Reign takes it easily Strife didn't play badly. And how is massing marines off two bases playing "ok" compared to the others who played "badly"? Edit: two bases Ok one game from Strife was ok but it was on a heavily zerg favoured map so...
Bel'Shir is literally the only map in the standard pool where what StrifeCro did in that game would ever work.
Future lost that game when he decided to expand instead of all-inning off of 2 base. Well, maybe not lost, but he pretty much needed to play perfectly from that point on or StrifeCro needed to screw up or keep his units in a ball (which he obviously didn't).
The map was Strifecro's pick, so obviously he knew exactly what he was going for from the beginning and execute it decently enough.
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On August 03 2011 11:21 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 11:16 Dexington wrote:
Methinks EG needs to rethink its roster. EG needs to cut lz, strifecro and axslav (possibly machine too) like right now and up get a decent protoss. That being said that was an awful set of games.
Axslav is underrated imo. He's one of their better players right behind puma, idra and demuslim.
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