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DjKniteX
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Shewklad
Sweden482 Posts
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DjKniteX
United States242 Posts
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On July 28 2011 12:16 DjKniteX wrote: how do you get points? Head to head and bonus point tournaments. | ||
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Shankapotamus
United States428 Posts
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neeb
United States367 Posts
All of tonight's cash prize tournaments are now open for registration! | ||
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On July 22 2011 14:42 neeb wrote: Tournaments Currently Open For Registration $6 Bronze-Silver Daily Tuesday http://playhem.com/tourney/10223/by/neebSAGA $15 Diamond Daily Tuesday http://playhem.com/tourney/10224/by/neebSAGA $30 Master-GM Daily Tuesday http://playhem.com/tourney/10225/by/neebSAGA | ||
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Johndarke
United States81 Posts
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On August 03 2011 09:03 Johndarke wrote: Do you not have Gold/Plat tourneys when they are on the same night as Stim.tv Gold/Plat events? Right. We have daily tournaments for each league group that include the StimTV tournaments. | ||
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neeb
United States367 Posts
$6 Bronze-Silver Daily Wednesday http://playhem.com/tourney/10230/by/neebSAGA $10 Gold-Plat Daily Wednesday http://playhem.com/tourney/10231/by/neebSAGA $20 StimTV Diamond Wednesday http://playhem.com/tourney/10196/by/neebSAGA $30 Master-GM Daily Wednesday http://playhem.com/tourney/10232/by/neebSAGA | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On August 04 2011 04:14 FabledIntegral wrote: I've never understand the rationale in rewarding players for being bad at something. That's all that tournaments do that are exclusive to certain leagues. What's the point in giving some gold player prize money when that plat player probably would have won, but was restricted due to the fact he's in plat? Why do we even want to encourage lower leaguers to play in tournies? I simply don't understand, I wouldn't mind having it explained. Is it for website hits, or..? Well by that logic I should only be running Grandmaster tournaments and 99% or so of players wouldn't be able to compete. I strongly disagree that our tournaments are "rewarding players for being bad at something." Everyone is naturally better or worse at something (including video games) and each individual naturally has more or less time to spend on something, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play in a competitive tournament in my opinion. If we were hosting $100 tournaments for lower leagues or something, I would better understand your concern, but we're not. The prize money we're offering the lower leagues is far from being anything significant and in my opinion only there to increase the competitiveness of the tournaments. I myself used to love playing in similar tournaments when I played at a lower level and seeing the larger prizes for the higher leagues definitely increased my motivation to get better. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 04 2011 04:37 neeb wrote: Well by that logic I should only be running Grandmaster tournaments and 99% or so of players wouldn't be able to compete. I strongly disagree that our tournaments are "rewarding players for being bad at something." Everyone is naturally better or worse at something (including video games) and each individual naturally has more or less time to spend on something, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play in a competitive tournament in my opinion. If we were hosting $100 tournaments for lower leagues or something, I would better understand your concern, but we're not. The prize money we're offering the lower leagues is far from being anything significant and in my opinion only there to increase the competitiveness of the tournaments. I myself used to love playing in similar tournaments when I played at a lower level and seeing the larger prizes for the higher leagues definitely increased my motivation to get better. You wouldn't have to be running GM only tournaments, you'd be running tournaments where anyone whatsoever could enter. | ||
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On August 04 2011 04:41 FabledIntegral wrote: You wouldn't have to be running GM only tournaments, you'd be running tournaments where anyone whatsoever could enter. And then every single player in the tournament would have zero chance of winning anything unless they were GM =/ | ||
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rsvp
United States2266 Posts
On August 04 2011 04:37 neeb wrote: Well by that logic I should only be running Grandmaster tournaments and 99% or so of players wouldn't be able to compete. I strongly disagree that our tournaments are "rewarding players for being bad at something." Everyone is naturally better or worse at something (including video games) and each individual naturally has more or less time to spend on something, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play in a competitive tournament in my opinion. If we were hosting $100 tournaments for lower leagues or something, I would better understand your concern, but we're not. The prize money we're offering the lower leagues is far from being anything significant and in my opinion only there to increase the competitiveness of the tournaments. I myself used to love playing in similar tournaments when I played at a lower level and seeing the larger prizes for the higher leagues definitely increased my motivation to get better. No, by his logic you should be running tournaments with no skill cap so that 100% of players can participate. Sure, anyone below masters has no chance of winning, but they can still play. When a low masters player has no chance of winning, but a diamond who is much less skilled than the master's player does, that is "rewarding players for being bad." I don't know how you can call it anything else. This doesn't mean though that a lesser skilled player cannot play in a competitive setting though - a competitive tournament does not necessarily have to have a prize, and having a good chance to win is not a necessary requirement for playing in a competitive tournament. I beg to differ that the prize money you're offering for lower leagues is far from anything significant. Sure $5 or $10 is not a lot and no one is really playing it for the money, but currently over 50% of the prize pool is devoted to sub-masters league players. That's pretty significant, the fact that more than half your prize money is given to bad players. An incentive is nice, but it would be better for the lower leagues if it was limited to something like free coaching or subscriptions to coaching sites. Isn't it the same thing when you're playing in a lower league and you get motivated by the fact that higher leagues have a prize pool versus none at all? I honestly am just happy that you guys are providing these awesome tournaments and don't care that much how you're distributing prizes, but FabledIntegral does have a point. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 04 2011 04:47 neeb wrote: And then every single player in the tournament would have zero chance of winning anything unless they were GM =/ Which is how it should be. As Anihc put it, you're essentially doing things like punishing the low masters and rewarding the high Diamond. It's not fair whatsoever. And honestly, it makes absolutely no sense to me why a Gold player should ever receive any prize money whatsoever in a tournament. It's someone who clearly doesn't take it as seriously and hasn't put in as much time as the masters/GM player. Wouldn't a masters player who's clearly devoted more time at improving at the game be much more worthy of prize money? I believe Anihc pretty much said everything else I wanted to say though. And it IS cool that you're throwing tournaments in general. I just think a little bit less of them because of how you do them (I don't mean this in a bashing way), but it's for sure better than nothing. It's not a huge deal, it's just my reasoning. | ||
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On August 04 2011 04:54 Anihc wrote: + Show Spoiler + No, by his logic you should be running tournaments with no skill cap so that 100% of players can participate. Sure, anyone below masters has no chance of winning, but they can still play. When a low masters player has no chance of winning, but a diamond who is much less skilled than the master's player does, that is "rewarding players for being bad." I don't know how you can call it anything else. This doesn't mean though that a lesser skilled player cannot play in a competitive setting though - a competitive tournament does not necessarily have to have a prize, and having a good chance to win is not a necessary requirement for playing in a competitive tournament. I beg to differ that the prize money you're offering for lower leagues is far from anything significant. Sure $5 or $10 is not a lot and no one is really playing it for the money, but currently over 50% of the prize pool is devoted to sub-masters league players. That's pretty significant, the fact that more than half your prize money is given to bad players. An incentive is nice, but it would be better for the lower leagues if it was limited to something like free coaching or subscriptions to coaching sites. Isn't it the same thing when you're playing in a lower league and you get motivated by the fact that higher leagues have a prize pool versus none at all? I honestly am just happy that you guys are providing these awesome tournaments and don't care that much how you're distributing prizes, but FabledIntegral does have a point. I'm very sorry you feel that way but I strongly disagree. To say that a Bronze-Diamond player is getting the same competitive experience in a tournament that's also open to Masters and Grandmasters is simply illogical in my opinion. Sure, they can play in a tournament and go out first round or shortly thereafter if they get a lucky bracket in an unseeded tournament, but they're playing from the very beginning expecting to lose early and with the mindset of "I'll just do my best!" The reality is that the vast majority of tournaments are currently organized in a one size fits all nature and we did not want to have that feeling in ours. How many boxing tournaments are open to all weight classes rather than being split up by division? It doesn't make any sense to have light weights competing against heavy weights and Starcraft2 is no different. On August 04 2011 04:41 FabledIntegral wrote: + Show Spoiler + Which is how it should be. As Anihc put it, you're essentially doing things like punishing the low masters and rewarding the high Diamond. It's not fair whatsoever. And honestly, it makes absolutely no sense to me why a Gold player should ever receive any prize money whatsoever in a tournament. It's someone who clearly doesn't take it as seriously and hasn't put in as much time as the masters/GM player. Wouldn't a masters player who's clearly devoted more time at improving at the game be much more worthy of prize money? I believe Anihc pretty much said everything else I wanted to say though. And it IS cool that you're throwing tournaments in general. I just think a little bit less of them because of how you do them (I don't mean this in a bashing way), but it's for sure better than nothing. It's not a huge deal, it's just my reasoning. If the prize money that a high diamond could win was equal or close to equal as what a Master or Grandmaster could win then I would agree, but it isn't. I do agree though that right now it is hard for an average Master to win anything and we do intend on changing that structure in the near future but right now there isn't an easy and/or better way to do it. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 04 2011 05:08 neeb wrote: I'm very sorry you feel that way but I strongly disagree. To say that a Bronze-Diamond player is getting the same competitive experience in a tournament that's also open to Masters and Grandmasters is simply illogical in my opinion. Sure, they can play in a tournament and go out first round or shortly thereafter if they get a lucky bracket in an unseeded tournament, but they're playing from the very beginning expecting to lose early and with the mindset of "I'll just do my best!" The reality is that the vast majority of tournaments are currently organized in a one size fits all nature and we did not want to have that feeling in ours. How many boxing tournaments are open to all weight classes rather than being split up by division? It doesn't make any sense to have light weights competing against heavy weights and Starcraft2 is no different. If the prize money that a high diamond could win was equal or close to equal as what a Master or Grandmaster could win then I would agree, but it isn't. I do agree though that right now it is hard for an average Master to win anything and we do intend on changing that structure in the near future but right now there isn't an easy and/or better way to do it. There is absolutely no reason a Bronze-Diamond player should be getting the same competitive experience as a Master-GM player, so I don't see your point. If they are, something is seriously wrong. The prize money a low master can achieve at the moment is pretty much zero and is clearly less than what a high Diamond could consequently achieve, regardless of what tournament they enter, because of people who host segregated league tournies. Boxing being segregated by weight class isn't a similar scenario - lightweights aren't necessarily worse at boxing in terms of skill, they are limited, physically. A gold player isn't limited by anything except for his determination to be good at the game. There's a reason they're in gold. And for boxing, players specifically strive to lose weight to be in a certain class and to be at the top of that class. No one strives to be worse at Starcraft. All you're doing is rewarding people that don't take the game seriously and are punishing players that do take the game seriously, as well as those who are actually trying to make a livelihood from it. It's a good thing when prize money goes to those who are putting the most effort in as well as those as they see returns for their effort. It's a bad thing when those that put effort in see those not putting effort in getting money when they can't. | ||
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On August 04 2011 05:20 FabledIntegral wrote: There is absolutely no reason a Bronze-Diamond player should be getting the same competitive experience as a Master-GM player, so I don't see your point. If they are, something is seriously wrong. How about for fun? I think that's a pretty good reason. If you really think it's so terrible then this entire board is filled with plenty of other tournaments that don't cater to lower league players. Hopefully you can find something more to your liking among those. | ||
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neeb
United States367 Posts
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