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Live report thread equals no balance whining; Balance whining equals warnings and bans!
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#981
On July 20 2011 19:36 RoieTRS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:35 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:34 RoieTRS wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:31 AndAgain wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:30 Djagulingu wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:20 Medrea wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:17 Alric wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:15 Pitrocelli wrote:
Fail cannon rush ?
Fail unit movement and loose 3 * collosus for free ?

He still won pretty easily and commentators are praising tester for his play. Losira on the other hand made no big blunders and just lost. So sad.

PvZ. That's the way the game works.


Aww man dont go shitting up a good thread please.

Jokes aside, it's standard in ZvP to lose 170-180 supply armies to 110-120 supply protoss armies. ZvP battles require much better micro compared to ZvT battles and unlike ZvT, you can't go sauron on protosses because it's pretty easy to hold sauron Zerg. You need drops/infestors/brood lords/ultralisks/all those high tech units with high upgrades and low tech units that will support those high tech units.


Zergs have cheap supply. That's all there's to it.


No, a zerg can not engage in a battle like that until broodlords are out. It is impossible to win a battle like that, and in that situation a zerg has to try to do anything to get protoss to turtle like by forcing baseeliminationraces or some kind of crazy all-in attack. Even worse on that map because collosus are even more powerful since flanking is impossible. The map makes it hard for broodlords too, and really hard to do do all-in attacks.

ZvP is a joke on crossfire


yeah it's a joke Crossfire ZvP: 33-23 (58.9%).

I should veto Crossfire if i played toss


As I explained before, statistics don't mean anything in regards to balance. People fuck up. People do shitty strategies like proxy2gate and still win.


horrible map for ZvP. no korean zerg are vetoing it. veto xelnaga cav instead. please explain more.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#982
Warp Prism!!
How devious | http://anartisticanswer.blogspot.com.au/
snifit
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada217 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#983
On July 20 2011 19:37 snifit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:35 snifit wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:33 snifit wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:32 snifit wrote:
(P)Trickster v. (T)LosirA Game 5 on Terminus

Trickster spawns at the 3, Losira's at the 9.


3:00

Losira's spawning pool completes and he drops a hatch. Tricker's forge is half done.


4:30

A third hatch goes down for Losira, still no gas. Tricker's Nexus is almost done.


7:00

Trickster drops a Twilight Council. Likely going for DTs. Evo chamber for Losira, still no Lair.
Trickster puts on a bit of zealot pressure, but Losira hold it without losing a drone.


9:30

Robo and Dark Shrine finished for Trickster. Losira researching range attack, roach speed, burrow.
the raven
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#984
Special tactics time 0.O

Oh my
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agtemd
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada362 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#985
Warp prism in production!!
Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2011
233 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#986
Come on Losira.. almost no units.. make detection
Kala23
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany230 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#987
pretty bad timing on the warp prism
Tommie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
China658 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#988
On July 20 2011 19:36 Tommie wrote:
7:00 Losira getting an evo chamber while Tester goes for DT's


10:00 Tester makes a warp prism,Losira has lair tech and updrages his roaches and burrow
Being a ho doesn't automatically make you "immoral" or a bad person, but it does make you a ho.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#989
On July 20 2011 19:36 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:32 Dfgj wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:31 AndAgain wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:30 Djagulingu wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:20 Medrea wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:17 Alric wrote:
On July 20 2011 19:15 Pitrocelli wrote:
Fail cannon rush ?
Fail unit movement and loose 3 * collosus for free ?

He still won pretty easily and commentators are praising tester for his play. Losira on the other hand made no big blunders and just lost. So sad.

PvZ. That's the way the game works.


Aww man dont go shitting up a good thread please.

Jokes aside, it's standard in ZvP to lose 170-180 supply armies to 110-120 supply protoss armies. ZvP battles require much better micro compared to ZvT battles and unlike ZvT, you can't go sauron on protosses because it's pretty easy to hold sauron Zerg. You need drops/infestors/brood lords/ultralisks/all those high tech units with high upgrades and low tech units that will support those high tech units.


Zergs have cheap supply. That's all there's to it.

Yes. 170-180 armies of roaches usually have the same army value as 110-120 supply protoss armies of stalker/sentry, because roaches are so much cheaper. People really need to stop bringing supply up - it's not a constant across races and compositions.

My point wasn't about supply counts but was about styles.

In ZvT, you can just mass up a huge low tech army with 3/3 ups and you'll win every single battle in the middle of the map against marine/tank/medivac. In ZvP, that's suicide. You can't just get a big roach/hydra army which is backed up by 3 times as much economy as protoss has. Baneling drops/infestors/late game transition is a necessity.

Roaches are fine as a midgame transition, because while Protoss can match a roach army using precise gateway control, they can't split up as much. If Protoss loses map control against a roach-heavy midgame, they can't easily secure a third, and Zerg can tech much more freely.

Crossfire in particular is obnoxious because while the paths are really hard to engage the P army on, it has a lot of space for backstabs and counters where zerg units can become significantly more viable and set up the lategame for infestor/brood, which uses the chokes right back against Protoss.

That is, if you don't go mutaling.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#990
On July 20 2011 19:37 hiawatha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 19:36 RoieTRS wrote:

As I explained before, statistics don't mean anything in regards to balance.


Lol, oh please, stop living in ignorance, and enjoy the games.


Zerg won't be happy until they have 100% win rate on every map in every match up.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#991
Special Tactics!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
frogurt
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia907 Posts
July 20 2011 10:38 GMT
#992
Overseer! Losira has this!
"Koreans own white dudes" -Moon
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
July 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#993
Artosis "I can verb anything" - So he's actually verbing the word "verb". The mind boggles.
Such flammable little insects!
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
July 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#994
losaira gonna BO lose ?
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
stipe145
Profile Joined December 2010
764 Posts
July 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#995
Special Tactics-Losira Dead
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#996
Losira has an overseer!
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
July 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#997
omg a warp prism all in!
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
July 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#998
Ah that sound dropping/picking with a Prism makes. So sweet.
textbookcovers.tumblr.com
Metaltoss
Profile Joined April 2011
France781 Posts
July 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#999
On July 20 2011 19:38 agtemd wrote:
Warp prism in production!!


There should be a resorce tab where you can throw your extra resources.

You could throw 200 away anytime, it'd be the same and wouldn't waste robo bay time

:/
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 20 2011 10:39 GMT
#1000
140 supply to 70 without an engagement lol
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
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