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On July 20 2011 19:36 RoieTRS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:35 JoeSchmoe wrote:On July 20 2011 19:34 RoieTRS wrote:On July 20 2011 19:31 AndAgain wrote:On July 20 2011 19:30 Djagulingu wrote:On July 20 2011 19:20 Medrea wrote:On July 20 2011 19:17 Alric wrote:On July 20 2011 19:15 Pitrocelli wrote: Fail cannon rush ? Fail unit movement and loose 3 * collosus for free ?
He still won pretty easily and commentators are praising tester for his play. Losira on the other hand made no big blunders and just lost. So sad. PvZ. That's the way the game works. Aww man dont go shitting up a good thread please. Jokes aside, it's standard in ZvP to lose 170-180 supply armies to 110-120 supply protoss armies. ZvP battles require much better micro compared to ZvT battles and unlike ZvT, you can't go sauron on protosses because it's pretty easy to hold sauron Zerg. You need drops/infestors/brood lords/ultralisks/all those high tech units with high upgrades and low tech units that will support those high tech units. Zergs have cheap supply. That's all there's to it. No, a zerg can not engage in a battle like that until broodlords are out. It is impossible to win a battle like that, and in that situation a zerg has to try to do anything to get protoss to turtle like by forcing baseeliminationraces or some kind of crazy all-in attack. Even worse on that map because collosus are even more powerful since flanking is impossible. The map makes it hard for broodlords too, and really hard to do do all-in attacks. ZvP is a joke on crossfire yeah it's a joke Crossfire ZvP: 33-23 (58.9%). I should veto Crossfire if i played toss As I explained before, statistics don't mean anything in regards to balance. People fuck up. People do shitty strategies like proxy2gate and still win.
horrible map for ZvP. no korean zerg are vetoing it. veto xelnaga cav instead. please explain more.
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On July 20 2011 19:37 snifit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:35 snifit wrote:On July 20 2011 19:33 snifit wrote:On July 20 2011 19:32 snifit wrote: Trickster v. LosirA Game 5 on Terminus Trickster spawns at the 3, Losira's at the 9. 3:00 Losira's spawning pool completes and he drops a hatch. Tricker's forge is half done. 4:30 A third hatch goes down for Losira, still no gas. Tricker's Nexus is almost done. 7:00 Trickster drops a Twilight Council. Likely going for DTs. Evo chamber for Losira, still no Lair. Trickster puts on a bit of zealot pressure, but Losira hold it without losing a drone.
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Robo and Dark Shrine finished for Trickster. Losira researching range attack, roach speed, burrow.
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Special tactics time 0.O
Oh my
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Warp prism in production!!
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Come on Losira.. almost no units.. make detection
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pretty bad timing on the warp prism
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On July 20 2011 19:36 Tommie wrote: 7:00 Losira getting an evo chamber while Tester goes for DT's
10:00 Tester makes a warp prism,Losira has lair tech and updrages his roaches and burrow
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On July 20 2011 19:36 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:32 Dfgj wrote:On July 20 2011 19:31 AndAgain wrote:On July 20 2011 19:30 Djagulingu wrote:On July 20 2011 19:20 Medrea wrote:On July 20 2011 19:17 Alric wrote:On July 20 2011 19:15 Pitrocelli wrote: Fail cannon rush ? Fail unit movement and loose 3 * collosus for free ?
He still won pretty easily and commentators are praising tester for his play. Losira on the other hand made no big blunders and just lost. So sad. PvZ. That's the way the game works. Aww man dont go shitting up a good thread please. Jokes aside, it's standard in ZvP to lose 170-180 supply armies to 110-120 supply protoss armies. ZvP battles require much better micro compared to ZvT battles and unlike ZvT, you can't go sauron on protosses because it's pretty easy to hold sauron Zerg. You need drops/infestors/brood lords/ultralisks/all those high tech units with high upgrades and low tech units that will support those high tech units. Zergs have cheap supply. That's all there's to it. Yes. 170-180 armies of roaches usually have the same army value as 110-120 supply protoss armies of stalker/sentry, because roaches are so much cheaper. People really need to stop bringing supply up - it's not a constant across races and compositions. My point wasn't about supply counts but was about styles. In ZvT, you can just mass up a huge low tech army with 3/3 ups and you'll win every single battle in the middle of the map against marine/tank/medivac. In ZvP, that's suicide. You can't just get a big roach/hydra army which is backed up by 3 times as much economy as protoss has. Baneling drops/infestors/late game transition is a necessity. Roaches are fine as a midgame transition, because while Protoss can match a roach army using precise gateway control, they can't split up as much. If Protoss loses map control against a roach-heavy midgame, they can't easily secure a third, and Zerg can tech much more freely.
Crossfire in particular is obnoxious because while the paths are really hard to engage the P army on, it has a lot of space for backstabs and counters where zerg units can become significantly more viable and set up the lategame for infestor/brood, which uses the chokes right back against Protoss.
That is, if you don't go mutaling.
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On July 20 2011 19:37 hiawatha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 19:36 RoieTRS wrote:
As I explained before, statistics don't mean anything in regards to balance. Lol, oh please, stop living in ignorance, and enjoy the games.
Zerg won't be happy until they have 100% win rate on every map in every match up.
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Overseer! Losira has this!
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Artosis "I can verb anything" - So he's actually verbing the word "verb". The mind boggles.
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Special Tactics-Losira Dead
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Ah that sound dropping/picking with a Prism makes. So sweet.
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On July 20 2011 19:38 agtemd wrote: Warp prism in production!!
There should be a resorce tab where you can throw your extra resources.
You could throw 200 away anytime, it'd be the same and wouldn't waste robo bay time
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140 supply to 70 without an engagement lol
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