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On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents.
arent you guys basically arguing about the same point? that koreans like puma came into nasl though the short open tourney and the other players had a long and arduous gaming bracket?
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On July 11 2011 09:44 Killing wrote:
I'm pretty sure he thinks he just won 50,000 Korea Won which comes out to 47$ USD.
Lol haha. maybe that's why he said skincare.
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On July 11 2011 09:45 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:42 ffadicted wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Pretty sure Puma won more games than people like whitera against much harder opponents to make it there Maybe some of his opponents were much harder but that isn't really the point... the point is the time and effort expenditure. How many times did the other koreans have to get up in the middle of the night to meet and play their opponent?
As opposed to playing 8 games back to back from the middle of the night?
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On July 11 2011 09:23 rareh wrote:
Puma totally pwned MC, should have been 4-1, but he was unlucky.
Oh well he still won. Anyway was the best finals from sc2 i have seen.
my view too
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On July 11 2011 09:46 statik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents. arent you guys basically arguing about the same point? that koreans like puma came into nasl though the short open tourney and the other players had a long and arduous gaming bracket?
Other players like MC who just played 7 games in the finals?
Don't see your point...
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its good that one player of the open tournament can make it - but i think, he shouldnt be seeded as player 16 - since no1 ever wants to go #1 in the nasl groupstages.
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By skincare he means ghost cloak. I know all of his terran presidential dominion lies.
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On July 11 2011 09:46 statik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents. arent you guys basically arguing about the same point? that koreans like puma came into nasl though the short open tourney and the other players had a long and arduous gaming bracket?
the original argument was that it's a hell of a lot more work for the invited players to qualify than for the player to qualify through open bracket (not necessarily harder, just more work), and I agree with that.
I think it would make more sense for the open bracket winner to go to group stages with the invites, and I think it would make seeding easier too.
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On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents.
So play BO's vs Koreans like Clide, Alive, etc or play vs foreigners? The three months vs 1 day is a valid difference but it's not big of a deal to schedule a few hours for SC once a week.
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I missed the Puma-MC match. Can someone summarize what happened each game?
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On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents.
I'm not saying that the playoffs weren't snubbed by the open bracket. I'm just saying that if you want to keep track of "games played" it's not actually that much more difficult to win the open as it is to win the playoffs.
In fact, early losses mean nothing in the playoffs but mean everything in the open bracket.
It's simply goes to show that basing the playoffs off of invites did not produce as good a set of players as the one player produced by qualification.
Personally, I would prefer it if the open brackets simply allowed players to be put into the Playoffs (akin to Code B into Code A) but simply have the playoff players get into the top 16.
It'd be easy. top 3 players from each division+Highest ranking left over player. If more than one player has the same score, they do a round robin until only one is left over as the 16th player.
This gives people who are in the middle of the pack incentive to "play harder" for the wildcard spot.
But that's me personally--I'm not the one who just spent $100,000 on cash prizes this weekend so my opinion is moot.
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On July 11 2011 09:40 Shinobi1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:36 kevinmon wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 Marsupian wrote:On July 11 2011 09:29 KimJongChill wrote:On July 11 2011 09:23 Steveling wrote:On July 11 2011 09:21 Flytothesky wrote:
ahhh shit... I miss Lindsey Spore Crawler already... That's 2 of us man. That's 3 of us man. That's 4 of us man That's 5 of us man +1
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!! 
Still a bit bummed that Ret went out so fast but Puma deff deserved the win. Great play and truly epic games.
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On July 11 2011 09:48 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:46 statik wrote:On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents. arent you guys basically arguing about the same point? that koreans like puma came into nasl though the short open tourney and the other players had a long and arduous gaming bracket? the original argument was that it's a hell of a lot more work for the invited players to qualify than for the player to qualify through open bracket (not necessarily harder, just more work), and I agree with that. I think it would make more sense for the open bracket winner to go to group stages with the invites, and I think it would make seeding easier too.
It would but I think they were just trying to make up for how they did the first season anyway. Invites only based on popularity and what? I'm sure they won't keep this tradition. Their initial system didn't make sense so at least this way there was one guy that had to go through the war zone and qualify for season one.
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On July 11 2011 09:48 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:46 statik wrote:On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents. arent you guys basically arguing about the same point? that koreans like puma came into nasl though the short open tourney and the other players had a long and arduous gaming bracket? the original argument was that it's a hell of a lot more work for the invited players to qualify than for the player to qualify through open bracket (not necessarily harder, just more work), and I agree with that. I think it would make more sense for the open bracket winner to go to group stages with the invites, and I think it would make seeding easier too.
Edited out. Misread the entire post 
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On July 11 2011 09:35 Marsupian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:29 KimJongChill wrote:On July 11 2011 09:23 Steveling wrote:On July 11 2011 09:21 Flytothesky wrote:
ahhh shit... I miss Lindsey Spore Crawler already... That's 2 of us man. That's 3 of us man. That's 4 of us man
That's 6 of us man
edit: 6 of us now :p
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People have so much opinion that they feel they need to tell everyone.
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On July 11 2011 09:50 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents. I'm not saying that the playoffs weren't snubbed by the open bracket. I'm just saying that if you want to keep track of "games played" it's not actually that much more difficult to win the open as it is to win the playoffs. In fact, early losses mean nothing in the playoffs but mean everything in the open bracket. It's simply goes to show that basing the playoffs off of invites did not produce as good a set of players as the one player produced by qualification. Personally, I would prefer it if the open brackets simply allowed players to be put into the Playoffs (akin to Code B into Code A) but simply have the playoff players get into the top 16. It'd be easy. top 3 players from each division+Highest ranking left over player. If more than one player has the same score, they do a round robin until only one is left over as the 16th player. This gives people who are in the middle of the pack incentive to "play harder" for the wildcard spot. But that's me personally--I'm not the one who just spent $100,000 on cash prizes this weekend so my opinion is moot.
ok thats fine and i can't disagree I just thought it was rude to reply with
"like send a video in before a deadline" like that's all that they did
On July 11 2011 09:51 EnderCraft wrote:
the original argument was that it's a hell of a lot more work for the invited players to qualify than for the player to qualify through open bracket (not necessarily harder, just more work), and I agree with that.
I think it would make more sense for the open bracket winner to go to group stages with the invites, and I think it would make seeding easier too.
I disagree, you have three months to qualify for the finals if your invited. In the open bracket you lose a single best of one and you're out of the tournament for good...[/QUOTE]
duuuuuuuuuude
more work does not mean hardeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr............
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On July 11 2011 09:49 vnlegend wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents. So play BO's vs Koreans like Clide, Alive, etc or play vs foreigners? The three months vs 1 day is a valid difference but it's not big of a deal to schedule a few hours for SC once a week.
Did you realize that the NASL basically cheated someone out of a spot in the top 16? Instead of having a player that played the whole nine weeks getting into the finals, it's a player who had to put in basically nothing to get there.
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On July 11 2011 09:51 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:50 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents. I'm not saying that the playoffs weren't snubbed by the open bracket. I'm just saying that if you want to keep track of "games played" it's not actually that much more difficult to win the open as it is to win the playoffs. In fact, early losses mean nothing in the playoffs but mean everything in the open bracket. It's simply goes to show that basing the playoffs off of invites did not produce as good a set of players as the one player produced by qualification. Personally, I would prefer it if the open brackets simply allowed players to be put into the Playoffs (akin to Code B into Code A) but simply have the playoff players get into the top 16. It'd be easy. top 3 players from each division+Highest ranking left over player. If more than one player has the same score, they do a round robin until only one is left over as the 16th player. This gives people who are in the middle of the pack incentive to "play harder" for the wildcard spot. But that's me personally--I'm not the one who just spent $100,000 on cash prizes this weekend so my opinion is moot. ok thats fine and i can't disagree I just thought it was rude to reply with "like send a video in before a deadline" like that's all that they did
It was pretty rude and I'm sorry about that.
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On July 11 2011 09:48 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2011 09:46 statik wrote:On July 11 2011 09:43 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:37 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:36 travis wrote:On July 11 2011 09:35 lorkac wrote:On July 11 2011 09:33 oogieogie wrote:
The only thing i hate is how puma/koreans enter tournaments lately like MLG. I mean sure puma deserved to be there because he obviously won and showed great games, but he didn't have to go through what the other 50 did to qualify or make it to the live event. You mean like Send a video before a deadline? ... maybe you aren't aware of the group stages? Ret went 8-1 to get the number 1 spot. Puma went 8-0 to get his What's your point? dude, are you serious? one is an open bracket tournament that took what, 1 day? where anyone can play? the other one took MONTHS and had only top invited opponents. arent you guys basically arguing about the same point? that koreans like puma came into nasl though the short open tourney and the other players had a long and arduous gaming bracket? the original argument was that it's a hell of a lot more work for the invited players to qualify than for the player to qualify through open bracket (not necessarily harder, just more work), and I agree with that. I think it would make more sense for the open bracket winner to go to group stages with the invites, and I think it would make seeding easier too.
So playing one best of 3 once a week is more difficult than going through a open bracket full of Korean pro players and the open bracket requires no losses while the regular season didnt.
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