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Karhock
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SirScoots
United States138 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
But, I think people are overreacting a bit. I personally kinda have to side with Machine/EG as I don't really see much they did wrong, even I know Ls is a cheater/was a cheater and/or is not to be trusted unless its @ LAN, which he never is from what I hear. Also I don't see whats wrong with playing the game for money @ LAN instead of online, it actually makes more sense to do so. Imo, this prob shoulda been left between the 2. Weeeeeeak :-( | ||
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
On July 17 2011 03:42 SirScoots wrote: Is this what one does when they run events and companies? Ban people for personal non-event related issues and disagreements? Sweet, I will remember that come Devastation in October. Sorry to the fans of Bryce and the rest of EG, but as Geoff stated, we will not be attending this event tomorrow. Best of luck to those in attendance! Spreading lies about someone to other people isn't a personal non-event it's a serious issue and I take it pretty seriously. I tried to resolve it many times but it only lead the Machine lying more, so he's disallowed from playing Sunday. You threatening to keep HKI staff out of Devastation and everything else because I moderate our events shows real class though thanks for that. | ||
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SirScoots
United States138 Posts
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
On July 17 2011 03:56 SirScoots wrote: You missed the entire point, awesome! Yea let's bully people then call it a wash when logical statements are made. | ||
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Qwann
United States28 Posts
This stupid argument is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of and the repercussions from it are even larger. Regardless of if Ls is/was a cheater, Machine had legitimate concerns that he might cheat in a match. So instead of proving that he can play a legit game in the LAN tomorrow and defending his "reputation", you went and took everything personal like you're 4 years old, and then you decided to ban Machine from coming. Wrong move. The funny thing is, if Ls came to the tournament and won everything, or even just done well, then I'm sure the EG guys would have defended his so called "reputation" because you would have some actual proof instead of "your word against mine". The 3 of us from Prescott will not be attending as well if this is what Hotkeyit.com and Sixjax stand for. I would like to hear what Suitguy has to say on this matter though, as he is the one that pours all of his hard work into organizing these events, and I think he should have the final say as to whether or not anyone is "banned" from attending these events. Also, I'm not sure what Hotkeyit even does to actually sponsor the event other than throw their name on it because Suitguy is an Admin of the site. So then to have a player of the tournament, not Suitguy, ban Machine is one of the dumbest things I've heard. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
Man up and lets have a good event stop the drama lama crap please. If you dont come fine if you do great!! But this is just stupid. | ||
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SirScoots
United States138 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On July 17 2011 04:02 Qwann wrote: Wow. Really... and you guys call yourself professionals... This stupid argument is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of and the repercussions from it are even larger. Regardless of if Ls is/was a cheater, Machine had legitimate concerns that he might cheat in a match. So instead of proving that he can play a legit game in the LAN tomorrow and defending his "reputation", you went and took everything personal like you're 4 years old, and then you decided to ban Machine from coming. Wrong move. The funny thing is, if Ls came to the tournament and won everything, or even just done well, then I'm sure the EG guys would have defended his so called "reputation" because you would have some actual proof instead of "your word against mine". The 3 of us from Prescott will not be attending as well if this is what Hotkeyit.com and Sixjax stand for. I would like to hear what Suitguy has to say on this matter though, as he is the one that pours all of his hard work into organizing these events, and I think he should have the final say as to whether or not anyone is "banned" from attending these events. Also, I'm not sure what Hotkeyit even does to actually sponsor the event other than throw their name on it because Suitguy is an Admin of the site. So then to have a player of the tournament, not Suitguy, ban Machine is one of the dumbest things I've heard. Agreed. This really should have been left between you guys. Suitguy organizes the event, and for doing such they promote Hotkeyit.com. Theres no $ put into it by HKI, just a bit of adminstrative duties. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Saying "Lets all be friends!" over and over again isn't actually helping.. anyone... | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Should this have been handled privately? Yes. Until Machine was banned. Now EG cannot go and rather than have a bunch of people showing up / spending money to go we NEEDED to say our story so that those people don't turn their angst wrongfully against us. hope that makes more sense. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
On July 17 2011 04:02 Qwann wrote: Wow. Really... and you guys call yourself professionals... This stupid argument is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of and the repercussions from it are even larger. Regardless of if Ls is/was a cheater, Machine had legitimate concerns that he might cheat in a match. So instead of proving that he can play a legit game in the LAN tomorrow and defending his "reputation", you went and took everything personal like you're 4 years old, and then you decided to ban Machine from coming. Wrong move. The funny thing is, if Ls came to the tournament and won everything, or even just done well, then I'm sure the EG guys would have defended his so called "reputation" because you would have some actual proof instead of "your word against mine". The 3 of us from Prescott will not be attending as well if this is what Hotkeyit.com and Sixjax stand for. I would like to hear what Suitguy has to say on this matter though, as he is the one that pours all of his hard work into organizing these events, and I think he should have the final say as to whether or not anyone is "banned" from attending these events. Also, I'm not sure what Hotkeyit even does to actually sponsor the event other than throw their name on it because Suitguy is an Admin of the site. So then to have a player of the tournament, not Suitguy, ban Machine is one of the dumbest things I've heard. If someone is going to hold a grudge and spread lies about him cheating even though he already got 4th at MLG Raleigh 2010 and won other events then they aren't going to randomly decide he's amazingly legit because he wins a local tournament. Machine also added lastshadow to practice with him awhile back so the concerns aren't even legit, it's just him trying to spread disinformation and trying to destroy the guy legitimizing himself and making HotKeyIt look bad in the process for ever dealing with him. Why is it unfair that he's not allowed to play in a tournament run by HotKeyIt after all of this? We even tried to clear it up with him but he wants to just back peddle and lie some more. I'm sorry that EG is taking all of this personal but it only has to do with machine. SuitGuy also had nothing to do with this decision. And I'm an owner of HotKeyIt, not just a player. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
They've done it once before, so whats stopping them from doing it again? Sure some of them learn and evolve to not do it but the fact of the matter is, they still did it and they know what sources to get newly updated forms of the hacks. Either way the situation has just blown out of proportion and overall it can jeopardize Arizona from having any future recurring events that can help promote e-sports and Starcraft throughout Arizona and United States. I can see both sides perspectives of the situation. Yes the match could have taken place at the LAN and at the same time the match probably would not have been done online due to past reputations/experiences. But overall, I believe it is unfair to "ban" someone from attending a localized event. Just an opinion. | ||
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Qwann
United States28 Posts
On July 17 2011 04:16 Skew wrote: If someone is going to hold a grudge and spread lies about him cheating even though he already got 4th at MLG Raleigh 2010 and won other events then they aren't going to randomly decide he's amazingly legit because he wins a local tournament. Machine also added lastshadow to practice with him awhile back so the concerns aren't even legit, it's just him trying to spread disinformation and trying to destroy the guy legitimizing himself and making HotKeyIt look bad in the process for ever dealing with him. Why is it unfair that he's not allowed to play in a tournament run by HotKeyIt after all of this? We even tried to clear it up with him but he wants to just back peddle and lie some more. I'm sorry that EG is taking all of this personal but it only has to do with machine. SuitGuy also had nothing to do with this decision. And I'm an owner of HotKeyIt, not just a player. 1. Hotkeyit does nothing to actually sponsor the event. So no one cares what happens at the LAN and it only shows how you have no idea how to run an event/website if you're banning people over private concerns. 2. No one would have actually cared what Machine said about LS, as this was a private conversation that you decided to bring into the public. 3. You are acting like you're 4 and getting butthurt and banning people where instead to show the professional conduct that Hotkeyit and Sixjax supposedly endorse, you should have stated that Ls would demonstrate his ability tomorrow and never made threats against machine/ EG. 4. You didn't try to clear up anything with him, you decided that because Machine didn't want to take your word that this guy is legit you were going to ban him. Those are not the same thing. 5. This argument/banning of Machine actually makes your website look like total shit. I'm sure that once word gets out that the EG guys aren't going your attendance is going to drop like a rock, and I for one will be glad to tell anyone that asks me, or anyone that I talk to at MLG Anaheim that Hotkeyit has done shit for the local AZ community and resorts to banning and bullshitting the rest unless you can rectify this situation. | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On July 17 2011 04:23 Machine[USA] wrote: First of all this seems very childish, all I did was recommend that the match was played offline. Even if he didn't cheat (LS has given me no reason to believe that he has in SC2) the match seems like it would be much more fun if played at an offline event with spectators knowing two players are battling it out for some cash. Second of all Demuslim is a good friend of mine and I honestly was just doing my best to look out for a friend. I even consider Nick a friend, he seems like a very respectable guy in person but as the old saying goes " fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". From my past experiences, Lastshadow has previously cheated against me in a WCG qualifier where he had a ref who was obsing our match tell him everything that I was doing in order to get an advantage and beat me. I never said that Lastshadow cheats now, yet from previously dealing with him I know that it would be a possibility. As incontrol has said he has done this numerous times and apologized then continued to do so (all during broodwar). He is obviously a very strong player taking 4th place at MLG last year, from my past experiences with Nick im sure you can all understand my hesitation in completely forgiving / forgetting the past. Even if the question of cheating was irrelevant, why not play it offline anyways, it seems it would be more fun anyways. As far as the lying comment goes, I did not lie to you. Prove where I lied to you and what I said. Yes I do believe Lastshadow has the possibility of cheating as sad as that seems but it is only once again due to previous FACTS. I understand Alex how I have offended you by saying that he has the possibility of cheating even in front of yourself but once again Kawaiirice use to be one of my most trusted online friends yet he reffed our game and helped Lastshadow get a victory against me in an extremely important match, then he went on to help LastShadow beat LzGameR in the same method. You are a good friend, it seems very odd to have something like this get between us but so be it. I will not lie about my thoughts, yes after four years it seems like I really should have forgiven him but I cant help but be very bitter about my past experience. I told no one about this instance, I don't give a damn about drama. The fact that you had to go public with this and bring it to light shows that you thrive on this. Sorry to everyone who wanted to see EG tomorrow, if I could I would probably go back and forget that LastShadow ever cheated against anyone in order to calm this drama and allow us to participate in this event. The fact is I can't, I was purely giving a good friend my personal advice with a player that I had previously encountered and he had no idea about. I stand by everything I've said. First of all this seems very childish, all I did was recommend that the match was played offline. Even if he didn't cheat (LS has given me no reason to believe that he has in SC2) the match seems like it would be much more fun if played at an offline event with spectators knowing two players are battling it out for some cash. Second of all Demuslim is a good friend of mine and I honestly was just doing my best to look out for a friend. I even consider Nick a friend, he seems like a very respectable guy in person but as the old saying goes " fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". From my past experiences, Lastshadow has previously cheated against me in a WCG qualifier where he had a ref who was obsing our match tell him everything that I was doing in order to get an advantage and beat me. I never said that Lastshadow cheats now, yet from previously dealing with him I know that it would be a possibility. As incontrol has said he has done this numerous times and apologized then continued to do so (all during broodwar). He is obviously a very strong player taking 4th place at MLG last year, from my past experiences with Nick im sure you can all understand my hesitation in completely forgiving / forgetting the past. Even if the question of cheating was irrelevant, why not play it offline anyways, it seems it would be more fun anyways. As far as the lying comment goes, I did not lie to you. Prove where I lied to you and what I said. Yes I do believe Lastshadow has the possibility of cheating as sad as that seems but it is only once again due to previous FACTS. I understand Alex how I have offended you by saying that he has the possibility of cheating even in front of yourself but once again Kawaiirice use to be one of my most trusted online friends yet he reffed our game and helped Lastshadow get a victory against me in an extremely important match, then he went on to help LastShadow beat LzGameR in the same method. You are a good friend, it seems very odd to have something like this get between us but so be it. I will not lie about my thoughts, yes after four years it seems like I really should have forgiven him but I cant help but be very bitter about my past experience. I told no one about this instance, I don't give a damn about drama. The fact that you had to go public with this and bring it to light shows that you thrive on this. Sorry to everyone who wanted to see EG tomorrow, if I could I would probably go back and forget that LastShadow ever cheated against anyone in order to calm this drama and allow us to participate in this event. The fact is I can't, I was purely giving a good friend my personal advice with a player that I had previously encountered and he had no idea about. I stand by everything I've said. (edit: It's been pointed out to me that my adding paragraphs to Machine's post could be taken as a sleight against him. It is not intended that way. I added the paragraphs so that more people would read it, because I think he said some important things.) | ||
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