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DBrave
Serbia379 Posts
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:11 thepeonwhocould wrote: I feel like Thorzane, Naniwa and Idra are the only players who really looked capable of taking out the koreans. Thorzane vs MC was really close, Idra looked solid in his first 2 games vs MC and his first game against MMA. Naniwa looked ok vs losira and mc too imo. Naniwa vs Losira wasn't close. Losira outplayed him completely, even on Testbug, a map he'd never played before. Thorzain vs MC was overall 4-2 to MC, Thorzain played well but TvP is his best match by far and it's definitely MC's worst, but MC still won. Idra was great in the 2-0 but MC had done zero preperation being told only a day before he was going and was probably pretty jag lagged. I don't want to make massive excuses but you can see why MC wasn't 100% in this game, and he later beat Idra 4-0 with a proper days rest and time to adjust to the time zones. | ||
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JackDragon
525 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:38 Blasphemi wrote: Naniwa vs Losira wasn't close. Losira outplayed him completely, even on Testbug, a map he'd never played before. Thorzain vs MC was overall 4-2 to MC, Thorzain played well but TvP is his best match by far and it's definitely MC's worst, but MC still won. Idra was great in the 2-0 but MC had done zero preperation being told only a day before he was going and was probably pretty jag lagged. I don't want to make massive excuses but you can see why MC wasn't 100% in this game, and he later beat Idra 4-0 with a proper days rest and time to adjust to the time zones. Idra did not play his best those matches for sure. He started to tilt so bad that it awas painfull to see | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10853 Posts
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:38 Blasphemi wrote: Naniwa vs Losira wasn't close. Losira outplayed him completely, even on Testbug, a map he'd never played before. Thorzain vs MC was overall 4-2 to MC, Thorzain played well but TvP is his best match by far and it's definitely MC's worst, but MC still won. Idra was great in the 2-0 but MC had done zero preperation being told only a day before he was going and was probably pretty jag lagged. I don't want to make massive excuses but you can see why MC wasn't 100% in this game, and he later beat Idra 4-0 with a proper days rest and time to adjust to the time zones. Barely one game of the second series with idra/mc was even anything close to a non cheese/rush game. That was the difference between day 1 and 3. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:38 Blasphemi wrote: Naniwa vs Losira wasn't close. Losira outplayed him completely, even on Testbug, a map he'd never played before. Thorzain vs MC was overall 4-2 to MC, Thorzain played well but TvP is his best match by far and it's definitely MC's worst, but MC still won. Idra was great in the 2-0 but MC had done zero preperation being told only a day before he was going and was probably pretty jag lagged. I don't want to make massive excuses but you can see why MC wasn't 100% in this game, and he later beat Idra 4-0 with a proper days rest and time to adjust to the time zones. By the same logic IdrA was playing horribly after being so tilted from the MMA series, imagine if all 4 of those games went like the last one MC won, it would have been a completely different series. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:34 Wargizmo wrote: I actually checked the Olympic marathon results after reading this post, out of the last 10 gold medal winners, only 2 were from east Africa. In 2004 in fact the top 3 was Italy, USA, Brazil. Regardless, Koreans are doing better now simply because the RTS scene barely existed anywhere else until about a year ago, all of their top players are ex broodwar pros who honed their skills while the current foreign pros were playing as amateurs trying to fit the game around work and study. Just give it time. Did the results say how many of the runners were black? LOL gg | ||
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
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Samhax
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:41 JackDragon wrote: Idra did not play his best those matches for sure. He started to tilt so bad that it awas painfull to see Yeah for sure, but tilting is really a valid excuse for losing, playing well under pressure is part of being a top player. Where as being jet lagged and being told only 1 day before that you're playing in a tournament across the world is a more legit excuse. Either way when it really mattered MC pulled through. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:44 taLbuk wrote: By the same logic IdrA was playing horribly after being so tilted from the MMA series, imagine if all 4 of those games went like the last one MC won, it would have been a completely different series. Idra played really well on Day 1 in general. On Days 2/3 he lost to Thorzain 2-0, MMA 2-0 and MC 4-0. His only win was versus Slush in ZvZ. I think that says quite a bit for Idra's consistancy as well. | ||
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ct2299
380 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:38 Blasphemi wrote: Naniwa vs Losira wasn't close. Losira outplayed him completely, even on Testbug, a map he'd never played before. Thorzain vs MC was overall 4-2 to MC, Thorzain played well but TvP is his best match by far and it's definitely MC's worst, but MC still won. Idra was great in the 2-0 but MC had done zero preperation being told only a day before he was going and was probably pretty jag lagged. I don't want to make massive excuses but you can see why MC wasn't 100% in this game, and he later beat Idra 4-0 with a proper days rest and time to adjust to the time zones. Exactly. Naniwa played pretty awful against Losira lol, it was borderline hopeless for him. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:17 ct2299 wrote: So, if he proxy gateways, people don't like it. People don't like him going 4-gate. People don't like him going 6-gate. Wtf do you people want him to do? He went forge expand with air, and that's "abusive", and doing the cannon strategy on tal darim is abusive as well. I mean do you want him to go stalkers with colossi EVERY SINGLE GAME? Becuase last time I checked, people complained about Cruncher going stalker, colossi, void ray every game and call that skilless too. I'm sick and tired of people complaining about EVERY SINGLE THING MC (or any protoss player) does. IdrA is known to go his roach zergling aggression against protoss forge FE, so why wouldn't MC go voidray to go against it? It's fine with me whatever he does, as long as he doesn't whine about other players 'playing their race' to his fans. Read more carefully before you start protecting your 'the biggest sc2 baller'. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
On top of that is the most boring 14 pooler that always fails when he tries to do any short of cheese or creative gameplay User was banned for this post. | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:57 st3roids wrote: i love how half the posts is bout idra , prolly the most over hyped player in sc2 , an awful trash talker ( not in the good way ) with a vocabulary osuch as fuck off - your an imbecile - which suffers from inferiority complex and cant perform under pressure no matter the tournament. On top of that is the most boring 14 pooler that always fails when he tries to do any short of cheese or creative gameplay psh, you cant play creatively as Zerg, that only works as Protoss or Terran IdrA must be feeling stupid as fuck pretty much surrendering 4 games in a row and eliminating himself from the tournament just because he thinks Zerg can never win against Protoss and then seeing LosirA make MC look like a nub, smashing his Protoss skull 2-1 with beautiful strategies. (That nydus outside to force cannons and then be able to safely nydus inside was just pure sex) | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On June 06 2011 22:38 Blasphemi wrote: Naniwa vs Losira wasn't close. Losira outplayed him completely, even on Testbug, a map he'd never played before. Thorzain vs MC was overall 4-2 to MC, Thorzain played well but TvP is his best match by far and it's definitely MC's worst, but MC still won. Idra was great in the 2-0 but MC had done zero preperation being told only a day before he was going and was probably pretty jag lagged. I don't want to make massive excuses but you can see why MC wasn't 100% in this game, and he later beat Idra 4-0 with a proper days rest and time to adjust to the time zones. Sjow played a very even series vs MMA. MMA won 2-1 but every game was close. Without the extended series, Thorzain would have beaten MC 2-1 in the loser bracket. Thorzain didn't get the chance to play July or Moon and Naniwa didn't get the chance to play MMA so we can't be sure how that would have ended. The three Koreans played better than anyone else this weekend but I think the top foreigners can compete with them. | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
I know who finished 9-12 (July, Fenix, Thorzain, Haypro) and 13-16 (Sheth, Major, Machine, Sjow), but in what order? | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
Without his attitude in the ZvP Matchup (which i find in favour of Zerg, being a mid-Master Z) he would not have the need to be correct in his judgement and to make everyone else see that "zerg is not supposed to win that matchup" Man, look at Losira or Morrow. Not only strong ZvP play by them, also very entertaining! | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 06 2011 23:02 DrainX wrote: Sjow played a very even series vs MMA. MMA won 2-1 but every game was close. Without the extended series, Thorzain would have beaten MC 2-1 in the loser bracket. Thorzain didn't get the chance to play July or Moon and Naniwa didn't get the chance to play MMA so we can't be sure how that would have ended. The three Koreans played better than anyone else this weekend but I think the top foreigners can compete with them. MC would not have played the same in another bo3 as he did in an extended series. Both players played to win a bo7 not a bo3. Strategies used would different. It's really stupid to say Thorzain would have won 2-1, players would have picked different maps and done all sorts of things diffferently. MC won 4-2, it's simple. The Sjow vs MMA games were close but MMA's worst match is TvT where as it is statistically Sjow's best and a 2-1 loss is still a loss either way. There was no way Koreans were going to 2-0 everyone, it's just not possible in Sc2. Look at Sjow/July. July is a far, far better player and showed it beyond all doubt in their series, but Sjow took a massive risk in game 1 with two port Banshee and won a game with it. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 06 2011 23:07 TigerKarl wrote: The sad thing about Idra is that being right is more important to him than being a good player. Without his attitude in the ZvP Matchup (which i find in favour of Zerg, being a mid-Master Z) he would not have the need to be correct in his judgement and to make everyone else see that "zerg is not supposed to win that matchup" Man, look at Losira or Morrow. Not only strong ZvP play by them, also very entertaining! ZvP is Morrow's worst match up. I realise he crushed some ameatur in the open bracket but generally his ZvP stats are pretty bad. I think MC's knocked him out of 3 tournaments. | ||
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