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Further balance whining will result in severe bans. Time stamp 21:09 KST.
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
May 26 2011 09:52 GMT
#321
Finally, a silver lining for my Liquibet!
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 26 2011 09:52 GMT
#322
On May 26 2011 18:51 Assirra wrote:
Moon really needs to wait before attacking and throwing units away.
This is the second time he simply threw a bunch of units away instead of waiting till the next round was done.


Not attacking would let the protoss get to his ramp, where it would of ended anyway. He would of also lost his natural.

You can't get sentries anywhere near your ramp or it's over.
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roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
May 26 2011 09:52 GMT
#323
On May 26 2011 18:42 Samhax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 18:41 roymarthyup wrote:
this 1base blink stalker build is actually extremely powerful with good micro, but hongun messed up this game badly


even if the zerg expands, blink comes at a proper time where protoss can be pumping 5 blink stalkers every minute (with 3gates) and most zergs cannot beat that even with roach/ling because the attack hits before the 2nd base can really get its econ payback rolling in


but the build requires perfect micro that hungon messed up



however with right micro the build is almost impossible i see idra lose to it all the time. 5 blink stalkers every minute that early in the game is ridiculously good. stalkersare comparable to mutalisks in their strength / mobility at that point but stalkers are actually stronger resource per resource than mutalisks


The problem is Hongun did a delayed version of this build because he wanted to trick Moon and let him think he can pump drones. But the Losira's build crush this kind of delay whatever timing nexus cancel. It was just a B.O loss for Hongun.


im not insulting you.

what are you trying to say?? i dont get it

are you saying early blink stalkers is a sucky build even if a better one is used?

i realize hongun did a less than optimal build for the stalkers and if he didnt expand and just stopped at 3gates and got super fast early mass blink stalkers he would have done better.

i dont know this losira you are speaking of. he a P or a Z ?? are you saying this losira is a Z and his build crushes blink stalkers easily??


if you are saying a good Z build can crush a good blink stalker build i definitely disagree with that. ive watched plenty top tier zerg streams and ive never seen a zerg dominate a blink stalker protoss that does it properly.

AT BEST ive seen zergs use roach/ling/spines to TURTLE / DEFEND against blink stalkers until he has his 2 bases fully saturated, and then the zerg can take his third while being able to contest the stalkers with full 2base saturation roach/ling/hydra against 1.5base protoss stalkers. At this point the protoss is forced to TURTLE / DEFEND while he tries to get collossi out

anyway against good protoss's ive seen good zergs like idra AT BEST defend blink stalkers and allow the game to go late and have a equal game macro game the protoss with a 50/50 chance of victory depending on lategame battle deicisons.. but i dont think a good blink stalker build is "weak" at all and i think its a build that if pulled off properly will always let you have a equal economy lategame macro war with a zerg where you are on equal grounds army/economy wise
BuzZoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1468 Posts
May 26 2011 09:52 GMT
#324
On May 26 2011 18:47 scaban84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 18:44 BuzZoo wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:42 scaban84 wrote:
As a zerg. Blink is absolutely the scariest thing. I just played a game where I NPed 2 colosus and 2 immortals during an engagement. Toss blinks and snipes my infestors and rolls my roach army. Same deal with Broodlords. It sucks when tier 2 units can blink in and snipe any unit and still get out with no armor damage..


Should've fungal'd the stalkers instead dude.

Isn't that messed up? I mean I spend the extra money for tech and get extra energy. If NPing Colosi and Immortals is not a viable strategy then what does that say for zerg strategy?
I'm okay with Blink being the answer to NP but do I have to get absolutely rolled because of it?


Dude, fungal is basically the hard counter to blink stalkers. NP balance aside it is just the correct thing to do in that situation.
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
May 26 2011 09:53 GMT
#325
Have they even considered that Hongun knew about the gold because roaches were streaming in from the north..?
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 26 2011 09:53 GMT
#326
On May 26 2011 18:51 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 18:50 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:49 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:48 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:46 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:43 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:43 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is now starting on Dual Sight

Moon is at the Left side of the map

Hongun is at the Right side of the map


2:00

Moon is going Gas then pool as his Intro again


5:00

Ling speed and the natural for moon are finishing

HongUn is producing two more gateways and a pylon on the low ground


7:00

Roach warren finished while +1 melee and a third are on the way for moon

Nexus Finished for HongUn and has two more gateways to wall off his ramp


9:00

HongUn is Pushing out across the map with a sentry / stalker force

Moon has a mainly roach force as they engage at Moon's natural


11:00

HongUn is using forcefields to block off Moon's reinforcements and killing his army

Burrow has finished and most of the roaches are now burrowed under the stalker force


12:20

HongUn is attacking The gold of Moon

Moon counter attacks but HongUn's forces arrive just in time to prevent it


14:50

Spire on the way for Moon

Blink and +1 on the way For HongUn

Stalkers are moving across the map again
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
May 26 2011 09:53 GMT
#327
On May 26 2011 18:52 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 18:50 Meastro wrote:
Lol, Drazerk, do you even sleep? You've Livereported NASL as well, and now back to the GSL again.

lol no kidding, dude's been working overtime


Enough time for a wicked nap in between lol.
Love is more fun than hate.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
May 26 2011 09:53 GMT
#328
They keep saying HongUn went up there blind, as if the roaches streaming in from the north during that entire engagement weren't enough of a tell. >_>
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
May 26 2011 09:53 GMT
#329
This game needs the Benny hill theme playing in the background
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
May 26 2011 09:53 GMT
#330
Can someone explain the logic behind moon going one base spire instead of infestors when he already has roaches and lings, VS a million stalkers?
aka ilovesharkpeople
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#331
150 to 90 supply for Hongun.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#332
owwwww moon is like 50 supply down?

Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#333
On May 26 2011 18:53 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 18:51 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:50 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:49 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:48 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:46 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:43 Drazerk wrote:
On May 26 2011 18:43 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is now starting on Dual Sight

Moon is at the Left side of the map

Hongun is at the Right side of the map


2:00

Moon is going Gas then pool as his Intro again


5:00

Ling speed and the natural for moon are finishing

HongUn is producing two more gateways and a pylon on the low ground


7:00

Roach warren finished while +1 melee and a third are on the way for moon

Nexus Finished for HongUn and has two more gateways to wall off his ramp


9:00

HongUn is Pushing out across the map with a sentry / stalker force

Moon has a mainly roach force as they engage at Moon's natural


11:00

HongUn is using forcefields to block off Moon's reinforcements and killing his army

Burrow has finished and most of the roaches are now burrowed under the stalker force


12:20

HongUn is attacking The gold of Moon

Moon counter attacks but HongUn's forces arrive just in time to prevent it


14:50

Spire on the way for Moon

Blink and +1 on the way For HongUn

Stalkers are moving across the map again


16:00

Big blink kills a lot of roaches

a few mutas are out for Moon

HongUn looking to attack Moons base
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#334
Moon
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#335
On May 26 2011 18:53 Haydin wrote:
Can someone explain the logic behind moon going one base spire instead of infestors when he already has roaches and lings, VS a million stalkers?

insanity
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#336
Poll: Recommend Hongun vs Moon game 3 ?

No (31)
 
72%

If you have time (9)
 
21%

Yes (3)
 
7%

43 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Hongun vs Moon game 3 ?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#337
I'll eat my socks if Moon wins this.
The legend of Darien lives on
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#338
gg, hongun wins :D liquibet +1 :D

hongun's pvz awas already good
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#339
so sad

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R3N
Profile Joined March 2011
740 Posts
May 26 2011 09:54 GMT
#340
On May 26 2011 18:53 Haydin wrote:
Can someone explain the logic behind moon going one base spire instead of infestors when he already has roaches and lings, VS a million stalkers?


map control? harass? to occupy Hongun so he can secure his gold bases?
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