On May 21 2011 10:04 hugman wrote: Why do they always save the best matches for last? Not staying up for that
It's a way to keep more viewers. Most things do it this way. If they played the best games first, everyone would just leave instead of watching the less desired game. If they put the good games last, there is more of a chance of people watching the whole broadcast specifically to see those later games rather than just tuning in for 1 match.
I tuned in just for something to watch, I guess right as the first game between Strelok and Dde was starting? My god. Who are the casters? I had to mute it. I know the early game is tough to cast in an entertaining way, but there was a point where one guy finished a sentence with "competition" and the other guy went "mmmm." And then they did that 3 times or something. Pretty obnoxious. :x I'd really prefer that people try to guess what sort of tech or whatever people are going for based on their early decisions. Way more entertaining.
On May 21 2011 10:09 PaprikaSpice wrote: I tuned in just for something to watch, I guess right as the first game between Strelok and Dde was starting? My god. Who are the casters? I had to mute it. I know the early game is tough to cast in an entertaining way, but there was a point where one guy finished a sentence with "competition" and the other guy went "mmmm." And then they did that 3 times or something. Pretty obnoxious. :x I'd really prefer that people try to guess what sort of tech or whatever people are going for based on their early decisions. Way more entertaining.
It's iNcontroL and Gretorp. And them being funny. Sorry if you didn't find it funny.
On May 21 2011 10:09 PaprikaSpice wrote: I tuned in just for something to watch, I guess right as the first game between Strelok and Dde was starting? My god. Who are the casters? I had to mute it. I know the early game is tough to cast in an entertaining way, but there was a point where one guy finished a sentence with "competition" and the other guy went "mmmm." And then they did that 3 times or something. Pretty obnoxious. :x I'd really prefer that people try to guess what sort of tech or whatever people are going for based on their early decisions. Way more entertaining.
It's iNcontroL and Gretorp. And them being funny. Sorry if you didn't find it funny.
On May 21 2011 10:05 dafnay wrote: im watching this only to see nani vs nada , suck they put it as last match ..
Why do you think in TV shows they keep their naked beautiful girls stories for the end ? :p
France has weird and excellent TV it seems.
:D I mean in every TV show, even talk shows, there is always a subject more or less about sex, and it's always the last subject of the show. I don't think it's France specific
On May 21 2011 10:05 dafnay wrote: im watching this only to see nani vs nada , suck they put it as last match ..
Why do you think in TV shows they keep their naked beautiful girls stories for the end ? :p
France has weird and excellent TV it seems.
:D I mean in every TV show, even talk shows, there is always a subject more or less about sex, and it's always the last subject of the show. I don't think it's France specific
Hey, now NASL have a real ad cut, with multiple ads (like TV again :p) Doesn't surprise me, made the math some days ago and at their precedent ad rate they made only like 600$/broadcast, which is nice but far from enough is they don't have any other income. (they have subscribers but that's not a lot of money). I guess NASL should be viable, they should earn nearly exactly 100k$ for the first season (and more if they start broadcasting more ads). Nice
So many Terran pros don't return their workers to the mineral line after making buildings far from their mineral line. Why? It's a really simple thing to improve your game.
On May 21 2011 10:36 FuzzyJAM wrote: So many Terran pros don't return their workers to the mineral line after making buildings far from their mineral line. Why? It's a really simple thing to improve your game.
You are right that there is no reason not to bring them back, unless they are about to build something else, but i think they are just not thinking sometimes in tournaments like this. It is really easy to make mistakes under pressure.
On May 21 2011 10:36 FuzzyJAM wrote: So many Terran pros don't return their workers to the mineral line after making buildings far from their mineral line. Why? It's a really simple thing to improve your game.
Most pros do it, even I do it. What most pro, including koreans don't do actually, is selecting only their scvs when pulling them to fight. Usually they box they mules too, which doesn't make any sense and cut in their income a lot more than if they pulled scvs only with a double click and not a box.
On May 21 2011 10:36 FuzzyJAM wrote: So many Terran pros don't return their workers to the mineral line after making buildings far from their mineral line. Why? It's a really simple thing to improve your game.
You are right that there is no reason not to bring them back, unless they are about to build something else, but i think they are just not thinking sometimes in tournaments like this. It is really easy to make mistakes under pressure.
Sure, but it should just be a mechanical thing that should take less than 1/5 second and should be drilled into them from every single game they play. Little things like that which take zero skill or decision making and is simply a mechanical thing that can't be forgotten because it's literally an immediate thing (which separates it from making SCVs or something which can be impacted by stress or focus on other things) should just be done every time.
Oh man I can see squirtle taking first now with Naniwa/Strelok fighting for 2nd, ahhh this sucks I'd rather Strelok and Naniwa take 1st and 2nd respectively
You can tell neither of the commentators play Zerg; that move was insta-win by Squirtle to be honest. Getting out means he's hugely behind on economy and he'll lost a lot of army breaking out anyway.
On May 21 2011 10:55 Dragar wrote: You can tell neither of the commentators play Zerg; that move was insta-win by Squirtle to be honest. Getting out means he's hugely behind on economy and he'll lost a lot of army breaking out anyway.
the commentators need to try and make it look like the game still has the chance to go on lol
Zerg can win from that position, but you need a macro hatch in base. That way you can muscle up units/tech to break out without cutting drones at 20. As soon as you get out you can immdeiately saturate the next base, or go roach ling and punish him.
It's obviously disadvantageous, but macro hatch really helps in my opinion.
On May 21 2011 11:04 Shifft wrote: omfg SLUSHHH why suicide everything on the forcefields
Maybe he was trying to actually participate in the actual fight... lol, clearly his mistake.
I was referring to all the units slamming their faces against a wall of forcefields while colossus raped them rather than pulling back and waiting for them to go away. It was a tough position regardless though, he played amazingly to even have a chance in that game.
And 11 roaches on the way (a little too much imo, supply problem so no lings) Will hit at 7:50 and Squirtle has nothing but some sentries. But bad execution from slush, too much roaches, no ling speed, and no ling at all.
On May 21 2011 11:06 Oboeman wrote: Zerg can win from that position, but you need a macro hatch in base. That way you can muscle up units/tech to break out without cutting drones at 20. As soon as you get out you can immdeiately saturate the next base, or go roach ling and punish him.
It's obviously disadvantageous, but macro hatch really helps in my opinion.
It really depends on the build you are going for. If you're going ling heavy, it could be a good idea, but with the heavy roach style Slush was going for, he wouldn't have really been able to support much more than 1 hatch-queen production.
On May 21 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote: Roach warren :D Gogo roachling pressure/aggression/allin please, I want to see someone hold it on TV for the first time.
white-ra held darkforces off a couple weeks ago. i know, amazing
On May 21 2011 11:20 Yaotzin wrote: Talk about overbuilding corruptors....I know it's not easy seeing their collo count but seriously!
He didn't overmake them as much as people might think, managed to kill the 2 colossus with only 3 left.. You have to overmake them against colossi or else your ground army will get owned
The bigger problem was going basically mass roach against a largely blink stalker army
On May 21 2011 11:20 Yaotzin wrote: Talk about overbuilding corruptors....I know it's not easy seeing their collo count but seriously!
He didn't overmake them as much as people might think, managed to kill the 2 colossus with only 3 left.. You have to overmake them against colossi or else your ground army will get owned
The bigger problem was going basically mass roach against a largely blink stalker army
On May 21 2011 11:20 jmbthirteen wrote: When was the last time mass roach even worked? Really disappointed in Slush's play right there.
Mondragon in the TSL... wait, wasn't that the only time?
That was versus stargate though...
Squirtle actually opened stargate that game.
Yeah he should have died without any canons if slush had made the roachling build correctly.
Slush' attack was really, really bad. He took the shields off the nexus and that's it. It was pretty obvious he wasn't gonna be able to kill the nexus. He could have easily picked off 4-5 probes and a couple pylons though. ;(
mass roach works vs protoss but only if you're already ahead and play hyper aggressively. Slush wasn't ahead because his first roach attack did nothing, so he was playing catch-up, and catch-up with roaches is damn hard.
On May 21 2011 11:20 Yaotzin wrote: Talk about overbuilding corruptors....I know it's not easy seeing their collo count but seriously!
He didn't overmake them as much as people might think, managed to kill the 2 colossus with only 3 left.. You have to overmake them against colossi or else your ground army will get owned
The bigger problem was going basically mass roach against a largely blink stalker army
and terrible engagement positioning.
The one where the colossi were still alive? It looked bad but he got all but like 3 of his roaches out with burrow move and then killed the colossi before the stalkers killed all the corruptors (freed up supply for ground army, better than having corruptors against blink stalker imo)
The second engage positioning was fine considering
my guess was he was frantically trying to micro away his drones thinking the banes were going into his main and moonglade cleverly went back down for the lings
Well, guess that's that. I never thought I'd say it, but PvP is no longer the worst match up.
haypros fault you really cant open hatch first or you lose to banelings...unless you do spanishiway with a medium to small ramp to your nat base and get some spines up.
On May 21 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote: Roach warren :D Gogo roachling pressure/aggression/allin please, I want to see someone hold it on TV for the first time.
white-ra held darkforces off a couple weeks ago. i know, amazing
can you post the replay here? i am curious to see how to hold off roachlings push.
while I am not an ling baneling expert myself, baneling openers are common enough on ladder that I expect a little bit more out of haypro in handling the situation =/
On May 21 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote: Roach warren :D Gogo roachling pressure/aggression/allin please, I want to see someone hold it on TV for the first time.
white-ra held darkforces off a couple weeks ago. i know, amazing
can you post the replay here? i am curious to see how to hold off roachlings push.
On May 21 2011 11:28 Durp wrote: Uh oh, Haypro choosing the same build as Moonglade but slower. This looks like a possible auto loss.
Uh
Besides having another hatchery
I meant speedling/baneling. As it turns out, it was.
Build is different than unit comp
True. Misspeak, my bad.
Np maybe a bit too nitpicky here just didn't think it was auto loss. If haypro had managed to get the 2 queens on the ramp to keep lings and banes out he might have been able to outproduce moonglade. Although the nat would have been under heavy fire... hmm. Definitely a really rough position but I didn't think auto loss
On May 21 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote: Roach warren :D Gogo roachling pressure/aggression/allin please, I want to see someone hold it on TV for the first time.
white-ra held darkforces off a couple weeks ago. i know, amazing
can you post the replay here? i am curious to see how to hold off roachlings push.
Well, guess that's that. I never thought I'd say it, but PvP is no longer the worst match up.
haypros fault you really cant open hatch first or you lose to banelings...unless you do spanishiway with a medium to small ramp to your nat base and get some spines up.
I'm not saying Haypro deserved to win or whatever, I'm just disappointed with how bad ZvZ is. So much coin flippery.
On May 21 2011 11:35 Happy Frog wrote: Could a Banshee kill a Cerebrate Incontrol?
They didnt have the technology and no no they couldnt even if they wanted to it had something to do with the practices of the DTs and their religion or w/e
Well, guess that's that. I never thought I'd say it, but PvP is no longer the worst match up.
haypros fault you really cant open hatch first or you lose to banelings...unless you do spanishiway with a medium to small ramp to your nat base and get some spines up.
I'm not saying Haypro deserved to win or whatever, I'm just disappointed with how bad ZvZ is. So much coin flippery.
haypro went a very risky build by not drone scouting and going for hatch first into ling speed and he got punished. That game said nothing on the state of zvz
Haypro played horribly, should have drone pumped after moon glade saw that he had no drones in his expo, cause then you know moonglade himself will have to make defensive units...oh well.
Well, guess that's that. I never thought I'd say it, but PvP is no longer the worst match up.
haypros fault you really cant open hatch first or you lose to banelings...unless you do spanishiway with a medium to small ramp to your nat base and get some spines up.
I'm not saying Haypro deserved to win or whatever, I'm just disappointed with how bad ZvZ is. So much coin flippery.
ZvZ is very bad. but i wouldnt call it to coin flippy imo. Dont open hatch first and your fine. If their hatch doesnt go down at the standar time for a pool first build, get ready for a all in. The coin flips come mid game imo
edit: i use to hate zvz with a passion playing it up until a week ago, when i finally relized what i had to do. but midgame is still a nightmare
On May 21 2011 11:30 Mailing wrote: people would be bitching so hard if that was idra gging :/
No they wouldn't. Haypro basically lost with the build order and then the 1% chance he had to win was gone with mismicro.
On May 21 2011 11:30 Falcor wrote:
On May 21 2011 11:29 FuzzyJAM wrote: . . .
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Well, guess that's that. I never thought I'd say it, but PvP is no longer the worst match up.
haypros fault you really cant open hatch first or you lose to banelings...unless you do spanishiway with a medium to small ramp to your nat base and get some spines up.
I'm not saying Haypro deserved to win or whatever, I'm just disappointed with how bad ZvZ is. So much coin flippery.
haypro went a very risky build by not drone scouting and going for hatch first into ling speed and he got punished. That game said nothing on the state of zvz
He didn't drone scout because he knew any very early pressure would kill him whenever he found out about it.
A pro gong for a total coin flip absolutely does say something about the matchup.
On May 21 2011 11:11 MrCon wrote: Roach warren :D Gogo roachling pressure/aggression/allin please, I want to see someone hold it on TV for the first time.
white-ra held darkforces off a couple weeks ago. i know, amazing
can you post the replay here? i am curious to see how to hold off roachlings push.
On May 21 2011 11:42 Happy Frog wrote: Moonglade is my favourite player to watch in the NASL, purely to see if Geoff can outdo himself with his poor Australian jokes each week <3
haha yeah, great seing incontrol's impersonations :D
On May 21 2011 11:30 Mailing wrote: people would be bitching so hard if that was idra gging :/
No they wouldn't. Haypro basically lost with the build order and then the 1% chance he had to win was gone with mismicro.
On May 21 2011 11:30 Falcor wrote:
On May 21 2011 11:29 FuzzyJAM wrote: . . .
. . .
Well, guess that's that. I never thought I'd say it, but PvP is no longer the worst match up.
haypros fault you really cant open hatch first or you lose to banelings...unless you do spanishiway with a medium to small ramp to your nat base and get some spines up.
I'm not saying Haypro deserved to win or whatever, I'm just disappointed with how bad ZvZ is. So much coin flippery.
ZvZ is very bad. but i wouldnt call it to coin flippy imo. Dont open hatch first and your fine. If their hatch doesnt go down at the standar time for a pool first build, get ready for a all in. The coin flips come mid game imo
You do lose to a hatch first just cause a spine and defensive baneling will stop your all in, and if you can't act fast then you will be so much behind it is not even funny....personaly I like gimaga's ZvZ style, fast expo into lingspeed and make like 20 of them with 20ish drones and then use those lings offensivly, if he goes fast bane nest you go for roaches and a spine or two, however this requires dimaga status multitasking (check July vS Dimaga baneling war where Dimaga went hatch first and july went for fast baneling).
On May 21 2011 11:30 Mailing wrote: people would be bitching so hard if that was idra gging :/
No they wouldn't. Haypro basically lost with the build order and then the 1% chance he had to win was gone with mismicro.
On May 21 2011 11:30 Falcor wrote:
On May 21 2011 11:29 FuzzyJAM wrote: . . .
. . .
Well, guess that's that. I never thought I'd say it, but PvP is no longer the worst match up.
haypros fault you really cant open hatch first or you lose to banelings...unless you do spanishiway with a medium to small ramp to your nat base and get some spines up.
I'm not saying Haypro deserved to win or whatever, I'm just disappointed with how bad ZvZ is. So much coin flippery.
haypro went a very risky build by not drone scouting and going for hatch first into ling speed and he got punished. That game said nothing on the state of zvz
He didn't drone scout because he knew any very early pressure would kill him whenever he found out about it.
A pro gong for a total coin flip absolutely does say something about the matchup.
The coin flip he went for even if it pays off doesnt give a big enough pay off to do it imo. It was just bad play on his part.
Dont worry its not like you missed probably the most epic interaction of Gretorp and Inc tonight. Gretorp was talking about how he detects for crabs...
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
Dont worry its not like you missed probably the most epic interaction of Gretorp and Inc tonight. Gretorp was talking about how he detects for crabs...
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
You tell them that they talk about random things during the downtime between games, and if they have a problem, they can go screw themselves?
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
That push after the blueflame made no sense from kawaiirice. he sacrificed tech and army with the blue flame to kill probes to even up the harvester count so he can expand on even terms. He spent money on an expo,tech and the hellions, so it makes no sense to attack right away. It would've made more sense to attack with hellions while attacking the front.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
But...EEEEEESSSSSPOOORRRRTTTSSS!!!
You my friend are what Tasteless would call a neeEeeeErRrrRRRDDDdd.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
majority audience teenage boys ....making teenage boys more aware of and how to detect crabs he is practically saving mankind.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
Who cares? Nasl is for people to enjoy, not "grow esports", if you don't like it then dont watch it. It's ok to not like things.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
majority audience teenage boys ....making teenage boys more aware of and how to detect crabs he is practically saving mankind.
Easily one of the biggest knowledge bombs ever dropped on this community.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
If and when SC2 gets to that point people will change or we will get new ones. Atm SC2 is very far from needing to go to that extreme and lets just enjoy ourselves while we can.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
instead of caring so god damn much about the "growth of esports," you should try and relax and enjoy yourself
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired. I seriously can't stand this guy. How unbelievably un-fucking professional. Way out of line.
Lol what did Gretorp say? Did he make a racist comment or something? Because I can't see what else would justify a reaction this heated.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
Who cares? Nasl is for people to enjoy, not "grow esports", if you don't like it then dont watch it. It's ok to not like things.
While i think the guy raging about innapropriate comments is a retard. If you dont think nasl(whos in it to make money) doesnt want to grow their audience....idk what to say.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired. I seriously can't stand this guy. How unbelievably un-fucking professional. Way out of line.
Lol what did Gretorp say? Did he make a racist comment or something? Because I can't see what else would justify a reaction this heated.
The growth market for e-sports is Young adult males. Young adult males (on average) find things like that humourous and will appeal to prospective audience members. 50 year old women =/= prospective e-sports fans.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired. I seriously can't stand this guy. How unbelievably un-fucking professional. Way out of line.
Lol what did Gretorp say? Did he make a racist comment or something? Because I can't see what else would justify a reaction this heated.
Told us how to check for craps.
In details mind you. And Incontrol didn't immediately switch the topic either he egged him on a little bit lol.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
People like you need to stop pretending that video game casters should be so uptight. This is entertainment for a bunch of teens and people in their 20's. It's not like they are casting a golf match.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
No, no they wouldn't. You're a sensitive minority. Realize that.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
The 1950's called, they want their sensibilities back.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
You're just trolling now and I will disregard your comments here on out.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
Who cares? Nasl is for people to enjoy, not "grow esports", if you don't like it then dont watch it. It's ok to not like things.
While i think the guy raging about innapropriate comments is a retard. If you dont think nasl(whos in it to make money) doesnt want to grow their audience....idk what to say.
Yeah, i guess you're right. I didn't think of it as their audience, I'm just sick of all this "grow esports" shit.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Look at all those people who left after those comments! Wait a second...
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Nobody's forcing you to watch, buddy.
+1
Seems like SC2 is in a need of family friendly CSL (Christian Starleague) to serve all tastes.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Nobody's forcing you to watch, buddy.
You don't know that for certain.
KR making a rine/tank/scv push while axslav is still on primarily gateway units with 1 immortal..
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Nobody's forcing you to watch, buddy.
+1
Seems like SC2 is in a need of family friendly CSL (Christian Starleague) to serve all tastes.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Dont worry younger audiences are already censored in many countries because of the incredibly violent game that is SC2 the chance of the instruction of how to detect a mildly annoying parasite might upset them more than seeing 20 marines die horribly to a baneling is slim
On May 21 2011 12:02 zerious wrote: Gretorp needs a pay raise
Gretorp needs to be replaced. I'm amazed, really, that they haven't listened to all the negative feedback for Gretorp. Keeping something people don't like and just ignoring the problem isn't going to get them any more subscribers.
On May 21 2011 12:01 Meself wrote: I as a (somewhat ruined) adult person enjoy all the innuendos or even not that innuendo straight-up adult jokes. So fire away, both of you! :D
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Dont worry younger audiences are already censored in many countries because of the incredibly violent game that is SC2 the chance of the instruction of how to detect a mildly annoying parasite might upset them more than seeing 20 marines die horribly to a baneling is slim
younger audiences(at least in canada) are usually more vulgar then people think. I work across the street from a elementary school and when they come into my work, the things they say or talk about im shocked...im like wtf ur 12 :|
I laughed just now. The tone is...some night radio broadcast then suddenly so random talking about crab and triangle and alut laughter aha. Brighten my morning.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Dont worry younger audiences are already censored in many countries because of the incredibly violent game that is SC2 the chance of the instruction of how to detect a mildly annoying parasite might upset them more than seeing 20 marines die horribly to a baneling is slim
younger audiences(at least in canada) are usually more vulgar then people think. I work across the street from a elementary school and when they come into my work, the things they say or talk about im shocked...im like wtf ur 12 :|
I learned all my best swear words in elementary school .....we must protect the little angels though
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Would you recommend GSL with Tasteless saying things like "like a schoolbus running over children"? If Gretorp offends you so much then stop watching. You don't bring anything to the discussion by asking for Gretorp to be fired. Believe it or not some people like him and his casting style.
On May 21 2011 11:49 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp. Way out of line man. Someones needs to be fired.
Lighten up guy.
eSports is growing steadily. People like Gretorp would only slow it down. I do not approve of most things he talks about. He needs to be held liable for things he says on air. Off-air, I care not what you speak of, but on air, you have many different viewers and you need to be more mature than that.
What would happen if I try to expand NASL audience maybe to people who've never watched SC2 before and he says something as stupid as that on air? So inappropriate. I would be embarrassed and NASL would be put to shame.
When did everything ever become about the growth of esports? Can't we just enjoy Gretorp being a clown as what it is, Gretorp being a clown?
Younger audiences would be.. shocked. More mature audiences would be offended. The only people still watching would be the only only people watching right now. Therefore slowing growth by limiting the wider audience. I would never recommend anyone to watch NASL or anything with Gretorp casting.
Would you recommend GSL with Tasteless saying things like "like a schoolbus running over children"? If Gretorp offends you so much then stop watching. You don't bring anything to the discussion by asking for Gretorp to be fired. Believe it or not some people like him and his casting style.
I'm really curious why Axslav fears the macro Terran.... o_o; doing something like splitting Shakuras Plateau or Metalopolis just feels like free win for Protoss in PvT to me T_T;
On May 21 2011 12:07 doihy wrote: Nada can't play well in the lag -.-, 2-0 for naniwa
yeh Nada plays pretty crappy online...the one series vs TLO in TSL is the only time I saw him in any halfway decent shape in an online tourney. Naniwa will prolly roll him sadly -_-
i'm so sick of people having a period over gretorp, i personally love his style, he's such an adorable clown. people need to not hold everything up to god like standards.
Damn, that series betwen kawaii and axslav blew my mind. Neither of Kawaii's builds made any sense to me. Ultra delayed blue flame drop into a terrible all-in into an expo. Then 1 base all in while simultaneously trying to expo without making any more scv and having done zero economic damage. I'd like to know what his plan was!
Nada is a full time student forced to wake up at 4 AM and playing with huge delay. The rest of the koreans are doing better because they are full time progamers - except rainbow, he just sucks. Won't be surprising if Nada gets rolled again this week.
On May 21 2011 12:07 doihy wrote: Nada can't play well in the lag -.-, 2-0 for naniwa
yeh Nada plays pretty crappy online...the one series vs TLO in TSL is the only time I saw him in any halfway decent shape in an online tourney. Naniwa will prolly roll him sadly -_-
Much much more likely that he simply doesn't prepare for many of his online games. He's had his ups and downs, sure, but it's probably been as his studies have become more or less of a focus. When he's well prepared he's a force to be reckoned with; when he loses blaming it on lag probably isn't appropriate, nor is concluding that Nada is awful. The better player for the format wins on the day; Haypro beat Nada when they were both playing from Korea, remember.
That's not to say the lag doesn't affect Koreans, because it definitely does, but proper preparation limits the impact and it's a shame to take away from players victories by blaming it on lag.
On May 21 2011 12:07 doihy wrote: Nada can't play well in the lag -.-, 2-0 for naniwa
yeh Nada plays pretty crappy online...the one series vs TLO in TSL is the only time I saw him in any halfway decent shape in an online tourney. Naniwa will prolly roll him sadly -_-
Much much more likely that he simply doesn't prepare for many of his online games. He's had his ups and downs, sure, but it's probably been as his studies have become more or less of a focus. When he's well prepared he's a force to be reckoned with; when he loses blaming it on lag probably isn't appropriate, nor is concluding that Nada is awful. The better player for the format wins on the day; Haypro beat Nada when they were both playing from Korea, remember.
That's not to say the lag doesn't affect Koreans, because it definitely does, but proper preparation limits the impact and it's a shame to take away from players victories by blaming it on lag.
Yeah not saying that lag is the only factor...just that Nada clearly plays much worse online than he does on lan regardless of the factors involved. Which is prolly a combination of lag + preparation
On May 21 2011 12:02 zerious wrote: Gretorp needs a pay raise
Gretorp needs to be replaced.
x 100. I absolutely can't stand his commentary. LoL? Bro? Really?
Quite good analysis there, good fellow. Indeed, the high art of Starcraft is thus besmirched by his colloquialisms and crassness. Indeed, his perlocutionary acts demonstrate that he is undeniably, unequivocally banal.
Let us all join together and QQ about this free content we are receiving.
On May 21 2011 12:07 doihy wrote: Nada can't play well in the lag -.-, 2-0 for naniwa
yeh Nada plays pretty crappy online...the one series vs TLO in TSL is the only time I saw him in any halfway decent shape in an online tourney. Naniwa will prolly roll him sadly -_-
Much much more likely that he simply doesn't prepare for many of his online games. He's had his ups and downs, sure, but it's probably been as his studies have become more or less of a focus. When he's well prepared he's a force to be reckoned with; when he loses blaming it on lag probably isn't appropriate, nor is concluding that Nada is awful. The better player for the format wins on the day; Haypro beat Nada when they were both playing from Korea, remember.
That's not to say the lag doesn't affect Koreans, because it definitely does, but proper preparation limits the impact and it's a shame to take away from players victories by blaming it on lag.
All games are played on NA server so it doesn't really matter that haypro was from there. It's not only lag, it's also the time the games are played. You definitely shouldn't downplay the winner but you can easily bring reason into why nada isn't playing like, well, nada.
Nada just got supply blocked at 70/70 then 78/78. He didn't even start his depot until he was capped. This guy playing doesn't seem like the nada I know. :/
On May 21 2011 12:07 doihy wrote: Nada can't play well in the lag -.-, 2-0 for naniwa
yeh Nada plays pretty crappy online...the one series vs TLO in TSL is the only time I saw him in any halfway decent shape in an online tourney. Naniwa will prolly roll him sadly -_-
Much much more likely that he simply doesn't prepare for many of his online games. He's had his ups and downs, sure, but it's probably been as his studies have become more or less of a focus. When he's well prepared he's a force to be reckoned with; when he loses blaming it on lag probably isn't appropriate, nor is concluding that Nada is awful. The better player for the format wins on the day; Haypro beat Nada when they were both playing from Korea, remember.
That's not to say the lag doesn't affect Koreans, because it definitely does, but proper preparation limits the impact and it's a shame to take away from players victories by blaming it on lag.
The games are played by these players at 4am Korean time I believe as well
On May 21 2011 12:25 starcraft911 wrote: Nada just got supply blocked at 70/70 then 78/78. He didn't even start his depot until he was capped. This guy playing doesn't seem like the nada I know. :/
Nada's consistently like this in online games, whether it be lag, timing of them, or whatever, it's hurting him bad.
On May 21 2011 12:07 doihy wrote: Nada can't play well in the lag -.-, 2-0 for naniwa
yeh Nada plays pretty crappy online...the one series vs TLO in TSL is the only time I saw him in any halfway decent shape in an online tourney. Naniwa will prolly roll him sadly -_-
Much much more likely that he simply doesn't prepare for many of his online games. He's had his ups and downs, sure, but it's probably been as his studies have become more or less of a focus. When he's well prepared he's a force to be reckoned with; when he loses blaming it on lag probably isn't appropriate, nor is concluding that Nada is awful. The better player for the format wins on the day; Haypro beat Nada when they were both playing from Korea, remember.
That's not to say the lag doesn't affect Koreans, because it definitely does, but proper preparation limits the impact and it's a shame to take away from players victories by blaming it on lag.
All games are played on NA server so it doesn't really matter that haypro was from there. It's not only lag, it's also the time the games are played. You definitely shouldn't downplay the winner but you can easily bring reason into why nada isn't playing like, well, nada.
My point about them both being in Korea was that they were both under the exact same conditions, time, lag & potential preparation wise, not that lag wasn't a factor.
On May 21 2011 12:07 doihy wrote: Nada can't play well in the lag -.-, 2-0 for naniwa
yeh Nada plays pretty crappy online...the one series vs TLO in TSL is the only time I saw him in any halfway decent shape in an online tourney. Naniwa will prolly roll him sadly -_-
Much much more likely that he simply doesn't prepare for many of his online games. He's had his ups and downs, sure, but it's probably been as his studies have become more or less of a focus. When he's well prepared he's a force to be reckoned with; when he loses blaming it on lag probably isn't appropriate, nor is concluding that Nada is awful. The better player for the format wins on the day; Haypro beat Nada when they were both playing from Korea, remember.
That's not to say the lag doesn't affect Koreans, because it definitely does, but proper preparation limits the impact and it's a shame to take away from players victories by blaming it on lag.
The games are played by these players at 4am Korean time I believe as well
you make it sound like its not at a time convenient to both players.
On May 21 2011 12:07 doihy wrote: Nada can't play well in the lag -.-, 2-0 for naniwa
yeh Nada plays pretty crappy online...the one series vs TLO in TSL is the only time I saw him in any halfway decent shape in an online tourney. Naniwa will prolly roll him sadly -_-
Much much more likely that he simply doesn't prepare for many of his online games. He's had his ups and downs, sure, but it's probably been as his studies have become more or less of a focus. When he's well prepared he's a force to be reckoned with; when he loses blaming it on lag probably isn't appropriate, nor is concluding that Nada is awful. The better player for the format wins on the day; Haypro beat Nada when they were both playing from Korea, remember.
That's not to say the lag doesn't affect Koreans, because it definitely does, but proper preparation limits the impact and it's a shame to take away from players victories by blaming it on lag.
All games are played on NA server so it doesn't really matter that haypro was from there. It's not only lag, it's also the time the games are played. You definitely shouldn't downplay the winner but you can easily bring reason into why nada isn't playing like, well, nada.
My point about them both being in Korea was that they were both under the exact same conditions, time, lag & potential preparation wise, not that lag wasn't a factor.
No but I'm saying since the games were played on NA there is still lag, which obviously hurts Nada bad(and arguably time of the day). It has nothing to do with Haypro. Of course he deserved the win and they were on even ground, but that doesn't make nada's situation any different than this game right now.
Pulling the colossus back like that to defend them from the vikings isn't always a good idea: it means they aren't doing any damage for a while, and marine/marauder will annihilate a gateway ball without the colossus dps. You basically have to sacrifice the colossus a lot of the time to just do as much damage as you can, hoping your gateway ball will be strong enough after the fight is over.
I wish terrans would micro their medivacs more its a small thing but with 1 control group syndrome they make their medivacs spend so much time flying and it seriously cuts down the amount of healing they're actually doing
Damn, why did naniwa keep attacking through that back path? Nada always had the concave there, if nani wanted to attack he should've just went through the middle.
Why is Nada even in school now? He is clearly good enough that if he focuses only on SC2, he will do well for himself, and then after all of that he could go into coaching or some other position in esports... or even just go back to school. I don't get it...
People are asking why naniwa kept attacking through that back path???? It's because of his force fields. He had really good ones that take advantage of the terrain. However Nada outplayed it.
On May 21 2011 12:33 tenkka wrote: Damn, why did naniwa keep attacking through that back path? Nada always had the concave there, if nani wanted to attack he should've just went through the middle.
He got in some decent harassment on one of the geysers, and if Nada had been a bit too eager to engage it could have ended well for Naniwa with some good forcefields IMO. But Nada played pretty patiently in dealing with the pushes and making sure all his engagements were good, and sometimes just had to just give up the Refinery and a couple SCVs to ensure that.
On May 21 2011 12:34 Chicane wrote: Why is Nada even in school now? He is clearly good enough that if he focuses only on SC2, he will do well for himself, and then after all of that he could go into coaching or some other position in esports... or even just go back to school. I don't get it...
Nada never goes all-in, always has a good build for starcraft and life
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On May 21 2011 12:48 Jyvblamo wrote: I don't think Naniwa could've micro'd that battle worse.
Was thinking the same thing. All of the zealots were in the back and didn't even more deeper in, nothing. Bad collo control on top of that and just bleh.
Naniwa had 200 suppply in that battle. I don't think you can just keep going colossus once the terran gets 8+ vikings. He should have transitioned to HT earlier IMO.
On May 21 2011 12:50 jmbthirteen wrote: How did Nada do that?
Nani anti-microed his colossi, letting them get shot whilst not doing any damage of their own. He also trapped all his zealots behind his stalkers so the stalkers melted to the marauders.
In both games Naniwa ran his colossus away during the big battle while his stalkers focused the vikings but his entire army was melted by Nada's. Far better to just let the colossus do their damage and die than to have them live slightly longer but contribute nothing to the battle.
On May 21 2011 12:50 Yaotzin wrote: Why are people gushing about Nada he didn't even do anything. Naniwa just shot himself in the foot while Nada stimmed and laughed.
He exploited Nanis weakness and engaged at a terrible angle when he saw it was actually to his advantage when the collosi didn't engage. (and he did other things like the forge snipes)
On May 21 2011 12:50 `ChroMaTe_ wrote: 200 vs 150 food, 3 base vs. 2 base and Terran roflstomps, I don't get it.
Naniwa engaged the army about as poorly as he could. All of his zealots were in the back, he had poor surface area, his ff's didn't go so hot, and he had bad colo control. Just 100% bad.
On May 21 2011 12:50 `ChroMaTe_ wrote: 200 vs 150 food, 3 base vs. 2 base and Terran roflstomps, I don't get it.
At the engage at Nani's gold he had around 10 chargelots stuck behind his entire army. He was clumped in a super tiny ball that wasn't enagaged properly.
I'm glad Naniwa lost. Have a little showmanship and make high templar for once instead of 80 sentries or colossus please. Colossi are boring, and they suck too.
On May 21 2011 12:48 FinestHour wrote: how the fuck did that battle happen i dont even understand how he won that
Colossi were dancing around in a spot that allowed viking fire without as much stalker protection as there could have been
nani blocked his chargelots thats 100% the reason he lost the fight, he had 40 food worth of zealots doing nothing. If the zealots were in front the game ends there in favor of toss
On May 21 2011 12:50 pieman819 wrote: killing forge while upgrading doesn't lose the resources
what? really?
Correct.
Resources are only lost if the upgrade is a structural one, like upgrading a planetary or a hive. Research upgrades are treated just like units - all the money is refunded.
Very great play sniping the double forges TWICE. Even if Naniwa didn't push for that final engagement, Nada would have finished him off easily when 3/3 hits (~20s left) vs Nani's 1/1.
On May 21 2011 12:50 `ChroMaTe_ wrote: 200 vs 150 food, 3 base vs. 2 base and Terran roflstomps, I don't get it.
Naniwa engaged the army about as poorly as he could. All of his zealots were in the back, he had poor surface area, his ff's didn't go so hot, and he had bad colo control. Just 100% bad.
Their armies were also remarkably even, it was 170 to 200 and Naniwa had a LOT more probes as well as a ton of money banked. His big advantage wasn't in that particular army, rather it was in his ability to reinforce and he totally threw the game with an awful engagement giving Nada really good army retention.
Well those games were good examples of how important positioning is...Nani with terrible terrible positioning in both games, losing from a lead both times.
On May 21 2011 12:48 FinestHour wrote: how the fuck did that battle happen i dont even understand how he won that
Colossi were dancing around in a spot that allowed viking fire without as much stalker protection as there could have been
nani blocked his chargelots thats 100% the reason he lost the fight, he had 40 food worth of zealots doing nothing. If the zealots were in front the game ends there in favor of toss
Ah didn't even see that
That's not 100% the reason though, the colossi all dying without actually dealing any damage is problematic too
On May 21 2011 12:48 mordk wrote: Oh wow, that's some TEEERRIBLE collossus control!!
ROFL, what could Naniwa do? When Nada got to that position Naniwa was fucked, he should have just let that base die.
Nada just a-moved because that Choke favors Terran.
You're right, instead of all of his Colo dying while killing a lot of ground forces, they should all die killing none.
What could Nani do? -_-
Could easily let his empty base die instead of losing a max army in a horrible engage and still be way, way ahead and only an orbital at the gold which could be taken out later. (keep in mind that Nada abandoned his geysers in his main to do that too!)
Naniwa's army control was horrible. Don't know what was going on with him, but he seems to have tilted hard core after the first game. His colossi did no damage to the marauder army, his stalkers got melted, his zealots weren't attacking, and his FFs weren't doing anything because his colossi weren't attacking.
Nada got supply blocked a few times and also got his army caught in FFs a few times, but nothing like the mistakes Naniwa made.
On May 21 2011 12:48 FinestHour wrote: how the fuck did that battle happen i dont even understand how he won that
Colossi were dancing around in a spot that allowed viking fire without as much stalker protection as there could have been
nani blocked his chargelots thats 100% the reason he lost the fight, he had 40 food worth of zealots doing nothing. If the zealots were in front the game ends there in favor of toss
that's true if the zealots would have been in the front when naniwa attacked near his gold it would have been a completely different story.. just bad mismicro on naniwa's part
On May 21 2011 12:48 mordk wrote: Oh wow, that's some TEEERRIBLE collossus control!!
ROFL, what could Naniwa do? When Nada got to that position Naniwa was fucked, he should have just let that base die.
Nada just a-moved because that Choke favors Terran.
You're right, instead of all of his Colo dying while killing a lot of ground forces, they should all die killing none.
What could Nani do? -_-
It's an amazingly tough choice sometimes. The first game should have tipped him off, though.
He's running off one robo, losing colossus is ridiculously painful if his army could handle the terran. He must have thought it could, so he pulled back. Then he rejudged it, and moved forward to try to hit again, but by then he only had 4. The vikings were just tearing through them regardless.
If his colossus were wiped, his gateway force could not compete with MMM. So his initial decision to pull the colossus was a bad one.
thought naniwa would take this series. nada played well though, really showed his intelligence. I liked the float to the gold and the snipe on the forges. would have liked to see some templar tech, he had more then enough time/resources to do it.
On May 21 2011 12:53 ScootyPuffJr. wrote: Why would you make so many stalkers vs mass marauder? I just dont get it. As soon as toss start making charge lots vs terran I feel T will be QQin
Chargelots are easily kiteable by stimmed marauders. The zealots charge ahead of the protoss ranged units, get off one attack then get kited, while the ranged units at the back don't get any hits off.
Chargelots are mostly for absorbing damage from the stalkers, sentries and colossus.
On May 21 2011 12:53 Cryhavoc wrote: i really dont understand why no htemplar
I really thought as soon as he hit his big gateway swell as he maxed out (about the time the dark shrine was added) that the templar archives would follow...
Then 5 mins later, I thought 'surely now he'll add the archives'...Possibly just slipped his mind, as we've seen nani use templar very well in the past.
Gotta give credit to Nada, thought that game was lost several times (and it probably should have been), but you can never really count him out.
On May 21 2011 12:48 mordk wrote: Oh wow, that's some TEEERRIBLE collossus control!!
ROFL, what could Naniwa do? When Nada got to that position Naniwa was fucked, he should have just let that base die.
Nada just a-moved because that Choke favors Terran.
You're right, instead of all of his Colo dying while killing a lot of ground forces, they should all die killing none.
What could Nani do? -_-
It's an amazingly tough choice sometimes. The first game should have tipped him off, though.
He's running off one robo, losing colossus is ridiculously painful if his army could handle the terran. He must have thought it could, so he pulled back. Then he rejudged it, and moved forward to try to hit again, but by then he only had 4. The vikings were just tearing through them regardless.
If his colossus were wiped, his gateway force could not compete with MMM. So his initial decision to pull the colossus was a bad one.
Gateway force can totally compete with MMM when you have good upgrades and the terran has a zillion vikings. Forge snipe made a big diff there.
On May 21 2011 12:54 Azarkon wrote: Naniwa's army control was horrible. Don't know what was going on with him, but he seems to have tilted hard core after the first game. His colossi did no damage to the marauder army, his stalkers got melted, his zealots weren't attacking, and his FFs weren't doing anything because his colossi weren't attacking.
How can you even say that? Up to the big engagement Naniwa was playing exceptionally. He messed up in the big ball vs ball battle (not to mention forges sniped) and you say he was on tilt? Mistakes happen, this one cost Naniwa the game.
On May 21 2011 12:56 Goibon wrote: Shouldn't a protoss accept that the Vikings are going to kill all his Colossi and just rape as much bio as possible before they go down?
That would have been preferable to what Naniwa's colossi did
On May 21 2011 12:50 `ChroMaTe_ wrote: 200 vs 150 food, 3 base vs. 2 base and Terran roflstomps, I don't get it.
Naniwa's Force Fields didn't help him too much - the Colossi weren't able to engage enough before they died.
Yeah, still frustrating to see though, because Nada didn't have to do anything but 1a into that choke.
Unfortunately with forcefields, terran doesn't have as much of a choice. You could see that over and over, where Nada could not capitalize because of the forcefields.
That was also another mistake for Nani, he had WAAAAAAAAAAY too many sentries in that composition, so his gateway forces just died so fast vs the marauders while his colossus was dancing.
On May 21 2011 12:48 mordk wrote: Oh wow, that's some TEEERRIBLE collossus control!!
ROFL, what could Naniwa do? When Nada got to that position Naniwa was fucked, he should have just let that base die.
Nada just a-moved because that Choke favors Terran.
You're right, instead of all of his Colo dying while killing a lot of ground forces, they should all die killing none.
What could Nani do? -_-
It's an amazingly tough choice sometimes. The first game should have tipped him off, though.
He's running off one robo, losing colossus is ridiculously painful if his army could handle the terran. He must have thought it could, so he pulled back. Then he rejudged it, and moved forward to try to hit again, but by then he only had 4. The vikings were just tearing through them regardless.
If his colossus were wiped, his gateway force could not compete with MMM. So his initial decision to pull the colossus was a bad one.
Gateway force can totally compete with MMM when you have good upgrades and the terran has a zillion vikings. Forge snipe made a big diff there.
No doubt that factored in. Also, he probably thought he would end up better off, enough to just wait for his next set of warp ins to replace his gateway units. Just a bad call there.
Anyway, nada bio micro is not spectacular like MKP, but he does subtle things, even in TvT when he dives marines into siege tanks but make very good split. He did again vs colossi today, he selected 2 or 3 MM that were focused and moved them forward so no splash occur. And he repeat that move each time, he's amazing, when I try to do this everything dies before I react :D
On May 21 2011 12:54 Azarkon wrote: Naniwa's army control was horrible. Don't know what was going on with him, but he seems to have tilted hard core after the first game. His colossi did no damage to the marauder army, his stalkers got melted, his zealots weren't attacking, and his FFs weren't doing anything because his colossi weren't attacking.
How can you even say that? Up to the big engagement Naniwa was playing exceptionally. He messed up in the big ball vs ball battle (not to mention forges sniped) and you say he was on tilt? Mistakes happen, this one cost Naniwa the game.
Trying to give him an excuse. Otherwise that army control is unacceptable for a player of his caliber. He literally did EVERYTHING wrong that fight.
On May 21 2011 12:56 Goibon wrote: Shouldn't a protoss accept that the Vikings are going to kill all his Colossi and just rape as much bio as possible before they go down?
That would have been preferable to what Naniwa's colossi did
This is exactly correct, attempting to keep them alive against a large terran army often causes your entire gateway army to die very quickly, and you wind up with a couple of colossus against a huge terran ball.
Hmmm I do wonder what would have happened if Naniwa just sacrificed his collossi to kill as many ground forces as possible and ignore the vikings (as it is his collossi ended up getting destroyed for nothing anyways). But I don't think he would have been in a great position even if he did do that cause of the upgrade disparity.
On May 21 2011 12:56 Goibon wrote: Shouldn't a protoss accept that the Vikings are going to kill all his Colossi and just rape as much bio as possible before they go down?
Once the viking count gets high enough that they one shot them, yes. Then rebuild with templar. Colossi become crap once the viking count is high :/
On May 21 2011 12:57 MrCon wrote: Wow, yesterday 5/5 liquidbet, today 2/5 :o (voted haypro, strelok and nani)
Anyway, nada bio micro is not spectacular like MKP, but he does subtle things, even in TvT when he dives marines into siege tanks but make very good split. He did again vs colossi today, he selected 2 or 3 MM that were focused and moved them forward so no splash occur. And he repeat that move each time, he's amazing, when I try to do this everything dies before I react :D
Actually watch nada's TvP more closely, his micro is in many places better than MKP's
plus he's still macroing like an utter boss, MKP is bio micro king in TvZ though: dat marine splitting.
On May 21 2011 12:57 MrCon wrote: Wow, yesterday 5/5 liquidbet, today 2/5 :o (voted haypro, strelok and nani)
Anyway, nada bio micro is not spectacular like MKP, but he does subtle things, even in TvT when he dives marines into siege tanks but make very good split. He did again vs colossi today, he selected 2 or 3 MM that were focused and moved them forward so no splash occur. And he repeat that move each time, he's amazing, when I try to do this everything dies before I react :D
I think the problem with Game 1 was that Naniwa didn't get Zealot charge.
And Game 2 (while the forge snipes were important), Naniwa messed up that battle at the gold big time. Had his Zealots behind his Stalkers so they couldn't charge in. Also think he could have gotten storm before expanding to the Gold.
Thinking about that engagement at the gold base...I can't decide if the preferable option would be to suicide-engage the colossi to kill as much as possible (knowing he'd just killed off the terran gold), or to just sacrifice the gold base and fall back (for the same reason).
Tough call either way, and Naniwa is normally good about making these kind of decisions. Seems like he just kind of froze between the 2, which ended up in him losing the colossi, the base, and most of his army. Rather unfortunate.
On May 21 2011 13:04 Everhate wrote: Thinking about that engagement at the gold base...I can't decide if the preferable option would be to suicide-engage the colossi to kill as much as possible (knowing he'd just killed off the terran gold), or to just sacrifice the gold base and fall back (for the same reason).
Tough call either way, and Naniwa is normally good about making these kind of decisions. Seems like he just kind of froze between the 2, which ended up in him losing the colossi, the base, and most of his army. Rather unfortunate.
I think the CORRECT decision is to just sac the colossus, and proceed with a gateway mass army like he sorta did after. But he chose to pull the colossus back, which isn't a BAD decision, but was the WRONG one.
I got Squirtle right, and i wasn't even confident in that one.
So bad at this.
5/5
how could you go against strelok
i actually dont watch to much tvt so i didnt know he was the favorite
How close was that series? I tuned in late. I figured Strelok would stomp DDE but mostly because comparatively i've heard a lot about Strelok and not much if anything about DDE.
On May 21 2011 13:04 Everhate wrote: Thinking about that engagement at the gold base...I can't decide if the preferable option would be to suicide-engage the colossi to kill as much as possible (knowing he'd just killed off the terran gold), or to just sacrifice the gold base and fall back (for the same reason).
Tough call either way, and Naniwa is normally good about making these kind of decisions. Seems like he just kind of froze between the 2, which ended up in him losing the colossi, the base, and most of his army. Rather unfortunate.
I think the CORRECT decision is to just sac the colossus, and proceed with a gateway mass army like he sorta did after. But he chose to pull the colossus back, which isn't a BAD decision, but was the WRONG one.
The way I see it is: Naniwa had just sniped Nada's gold and saw Nada going for his gold. He moved his units around and naturally the faster stalkers got in front. He knew he had the bigger army and the better economy so decided to just 'attack'. And then his whole fkn army died and he lost a game he could have won quite easily.
Should have let his gold die and position his army correctly. If he fights Nada he wins, if Nada backs down he wins even harder. But ... shit happens
On May 21 2011 13:04 Everhate wrote: Thinking about that engagement at the gold base...I can't decide if the preferable option would be to suicide-engage the colossi to kill as much as possible (knowing he'd just killed off the terran gold), or to just sacrifice the gold base and fall back (for the same reason).
Tough call either way, and Naniwa is normally good about making these kind of decisions. Seems like he just kind of froze between the 2, which ended up in him losing the colossi, the base, and most of his army. Rather unfortunate.
I think the CORRECT decision is to just sac the colossus, and proceed with a gateway mass army like he sorta did after. But he chose to pull the colossus back, which isn't a BAD decision, but was the WRONG one.
The way I see it is: Naniwa had just sniped Nada's gold and saw Nada going for his gold. He moved his units around and naturally the faster stalkers got in front. He knew he had the bigger army and the better economy so decided to just 'attack'. And then his whole fkn army died and he lost a game he could have won quite easily.
Should have let his gold die and position his army correctly. If he fights Nada he wins, if Nada backs down he wins even harder. But ... shit happens
Yeah, I guess he might have also underestimated the size/dps of nada's army
On May 21 2011 13:04 Everhate wrote: Thinking about that engagement at the gold base...I can't decide if the preferable option would be to suicide-engage the colossi to kill as much as possible (knowing he'd just killed off the terran gold), or to just sacrifice the gold base and fall back (for the same reason).
Tough call either way, and Naniwa is normally good about making these kind of decisions. Seems like he just kind of froze between the 2, which ended up in him losing the colossi, the base, and most of his army. Rather unfortunate.
I think the CORRECT decision is to just sac the colossus, and proceed with a gateway mass army like he sorta did after. But he chose to pull the colossus back, which isn't a BAD decision, but was the WRONG one.
The way I see it is: Naniwa had just sniped Nada's gold and saw Nada going for his gold. He moved his units around and naturally the faster stalkers got in front. He knew he had the bigger army and the better economy so decided to just 'attack'. And then his whole fkn army died and he lost a game he could have won quite easily.
Should have let his gold die and position his army correctly. If he fights Nada he wins, if Nada backs down he wins even harder. But ... shit happens
Except he didn't just 'attack.' He tried to micro his colossi backwards against 20 vikings and they did not shoot at the marauders, so he ended up losing all his stalkers to marauders while blocking his own zealots while FFing out the marauders so that his zealots couldn't attack even after his stalkers died.
He did nearly the worst battle control possible short of moving his army past his opponent's army without firing a single shot. That's why the fight came out so lopsided.
Naniwa's PvT is not nearly as solid as it might have seemed from his win streak in MLG. His loss against Thorzain, and this time against Nada, appears to show that he still has quite a bit to work on in this MU.
FIrst of all, fantastic games today, thoroughly enjoyable. They ranged from the sublime (the Nada series) to the ridiculous (30 odd gatherers at 20 minutes due to a failed cannon rush into cannon contain).
But, given that Gretorp called out the obnoxious pedantic forum types on this issue, I'll have to come forward as requested.
Transpose is indeed a term used for chess, but chess actually just makes good use of the normal meaning of the word. Its meaning is to alter the order of a set or series of things, or alter the position of a thing in a series. In the context of chess it refers to the fact that there are many different standard sequences and openings which lead to the same position.
This is actually a very useful term when applied to starcraft, as you can employ both different specific tactics and strategies in the form of build orders, army stances and movement, to reach the same position, and in turn those positions afford a number of different other transpositional possibilities.
That isn't how Gretorp uses the word the vast majority of the time. He uses it as if it is merely a synonym for transition, or change, which it isn't. It can't just refer to any adaptation or change, especially ones that a player has forced on them.
Anyway, even I've reached the limit of my pedantry at this point.
Once the vods are sorted out, which I'm sure they will be, NASL will have become a reasonably solid presentation with a lot of room for growth in coming seasons.
A quick aside... In order for NaNiwa (3-3, 3pt) to grab one of the automatic spots in Division 3, he needs NaDa (4-2, 3pt) to beat Squirtle (5-1, 6pt), then lose to SLush and Axslav, and for Squirtle to lose another set to dde. This is mostly because Strelok (5-1, 4pt) essentially has an lock on his grand finale spot, with only SLush, KawaiiRice, and HayprO remaining.
If Squirtle beats NaDa, there's no permutations where NaNiwa gets the automatic spot. If I am NaNiwa, I'd be regreting skipping out on week 1.
On the bright side, he'll likely be the number 1 seed in the playoffs.
I have to say, the Naniwa vrs Nada games where not what I was hoping for. They were both almost the same game twice in a row, and I didn't really feel like they were up the caliber of game that I was expecting given the names that were playing
i think naniwa is a great player but not that good as everyone think, that hype of going 26-2 on mlg was against good players but not vs top notch players, he also had an "easy" path on the TSL bracket, lets see how he does on the next mlg.
Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
On May 21 2011 13:39 Primadog wrote: A quick aside... If I am NaNiwa, I'd be regreting skipping out on week 1.
Thanks for going through the permutations, and I have to say that I'm glad that it may cost players to miss games, perhaps it will cause them to think more about it in subsequent seasons.
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
Maybe you should go back to your friday night bingo games. Clearly the Starcraft community is too extreme for you.
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
We got the point in your first few posts in this thread.
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
wow, your post is hurting esport. For esport's sake you should stop posting. You prevent the growing of esport.
Anyway, is "crabs" having a different meaning in english ? In french, crabs are delicious crustaceans. Does this means something else in the growth of esport sense ?
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
wow, your post is hurting esport. For esport's sake you should stop posting. You prevent the growing of esport.
Anyway, is "crabs" having a different meaning in english ? In french, crabs are delicious crustaceans. Does this means something else in the growth of esport sense ?
Lol crabs mean "delicious crustaceans" in English too
I missed the live reference, but I think Gretorp was referring to the STD.
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
wow, your post is hurting esport. For esport's sake you should stop posting. You prevent the growing of esport.
Anyway, is "crabs" having a different meaning in english ? In french, crabs are delicious crustaceans. Does this means something else in the growth of esport sense ?
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
Do you know that Tyler said something along the lines of, If you don't give a shit about what gum you chew, then pick Stride?
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
wow, your post is hurting esport. For esport's sake you should stop posting. You prevent the growing of esport.
Anyway, is "crabs" having a different meaning in english ? In french, crabs are delicious crustaceans. Does this means something else in the growth of esport sense ?
Lol crabs mean "delicious crustaceans" in English too
I missed the live reference, but I think Gretorp was referring to the STD.
Gretorp was actually describing an "ancient chinese secret" on identifying the gender of crabs, because generally speaking female crustaceans are more meaty and delicious. What you do is flip it on its back and take a look at the abdomen flap. The female's is rounder than the male's.
Male
Female
Unfortunately the rest of us are rather juvenile about it.
On May 21 2011 13:31 L3g3nd_ wrote: wow nada beat naniwa!
That's hardly an upset. I got downvoted to hell by the Reddit circlejerk that is r/starcraft when I said foreign players still aren't as amazing as Korean players. What I mean is that while they compete well and probably have players who would do really well against Korean players, but giving Naniwa short odds over NaDa is going a bit too far.
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
Do you know that Tyler said something along the lines of, If you don't give a shit about what gum you chew, then pick Stride?
And guess what? Stride didn't drop him.
I fail to see how that hurts Strike in any way. Logically speaking that's a direct promotion.
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
Do you know that Tyler said something along the lines of, If you don't give a shit about what gum you chew, then pick Stride?
And guess what? Stride didn't drop him.
I fail to see how that hurts Strike in any way. Logically speaking that's a direct promotion.
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
Do you know that Tyler said something along the lines of, If you don't give a shit about what gum you chew, then pick Stride?
And guess what? Stride didn't drop him.
I fail to see how that hurts Strike in any way. Logically speaking that's a direct promotion.
Its pretty much a false promotion. Its showing that he doesn't give a shit about the product and just wants their money. It is far more harmful than anything Gretorp has said. Listen to any NFL game. And I mean listen to what the announcers are saying. Its filled with innuendos. Its quite hilarious. And they completely know what they are saying.
You don't really know how the real world works, do you?
Gretorp has one of the greatest positions North American eSports has to offer: casting in the first ever NASL. NASL is the first of its kind in North America; a prestigious league with the largest prize pool SC2 has been offered here. Future potential sponsors and newcomers alike have their eyes set on this event. How many sponsors have already been deterred by such erratic behavior as set forth by the presentation of the casters?
As cliche as it sounds, with power comes responsibility. Gretorp represents NASL as a caster. It's a powerful position granted towards an individual.
It's obvious Gretorp is trying really hard. And I'm not saying joking isn't allowed. But there are some obvious things you cannot and should not talk about on air. The things you do and say as a representative have rippling effects beyond your control.
How many potential sponsors have we lost? How many potential viewers turned away in disgust? How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League? If a star league carries itself out in such an inappropriate manner what example does this set for the rest?
God why do people fucking complain so much about every little thing, esports is already ridiculously huge, and its just a niche market, you people act like its a super professional nationally televised event or something when its really a bunch of us gamers just chillin and watching some good games. I agree there are some things that shouldn't be said like hardcore swearing etc, but is it really that big a deal?
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp has one of the greatest positions North American eSports has to offer: casting in the first ever NASL. NASL is the first of its kind in North America; a prestigious league with the largest prize pool SC2 has been offered here. Future potential sponsors and newcomers alike have their eyes set on this event. How many sponsors have already been deterred by such erratic behavior as set forth by the presentation of the casters?
As cliche as it sounds, with power comes responsibility. Gretorp represents NASL as a caster. It's a powerful position granted towards an individual.
It's obvious Gretorp is trying really hard. And I'm not saying joking isn't allowed. But there are some obvious things you cannot and should not talk about on air. The things you do and say as a representative have rippling effects beyond your control.
How many potential sponsors have we lost? How many potential viewers turned away in disgust? How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League? If a star league carries itself out in such an inappropriate manner what example does this set for the rest?
Yep, its confirmed, you have no idea how things actually work.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp has one of the greatest positions North American eSports has to offer: casting in the first ever NASL. NASL is the first of its kind in North America; a prestigious league with the largest prize pool SC2 has been offered here. Future potential sponsors and newcomers alike have their eyes set on this event. How many sponsors have already been deterred by such erratic behavior as set forth by the presentation of the casters?
As cliche as it sounds, with power comes responsibility. Gretorp represents NASL as a caster. It's a powerful position granted towards an individual.
It's obvious Gretorp is trying really hard. And I'm not saying joking isn't allowed. But there are some obvious things you cannot and should not talk about on air. The things you do and say as a representative have rippling effects beyond your control.
How many potential sponsors have we lost? How many potential viewers turned away in disgust? How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League? If a star league carries itself out in such an inappropriate manner what example does this set for the rest?
Yep, its confirmed, you have no idea how things actually work.
Please sir, since you are so bright, enlighten me on "how things actually work."
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp has one of the greatest positions North American eSports has to offer: casting in the first ever NASL. NASL is the first of its kind in North America; a prestigious league with the largest prize pool SC2 has been offered here. Future potential sponsors and newcomers alike have their eyes set on this event. How many sponsors have already been deterred by such erratic behavior as set forth by the presentation of the casters?
As cliche as it sounds, with power comes responsibility. Gretorp represents NASL as a caster. It's a powerful position granted towards an individual.
It's obvious Gretorp is trying really hard. And I'm not saying joking isn't allowed. But there are some obvious things you cannot and should not talk about on air. The things you do and say as a representative have rippling effects beyond your control.
How many potential sponsors have we lost? How many potential viewers turned away in disgust? How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League? If a star league carries itself out in such an inappropriate manner what example does this set for the rest?
Yep, its confirmed, you have no idea how things actually work.
Please sir, since you are so bright, enlighten me on "how things actually work."
Just...stop. Drop it. Stop looking foolish. Listen to what others are saying.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp has one of the greatest positions North American eSports has to offer: casting in the first ever NASL. NASL is the first of its kind in North America; a prestigious league with the largest prize pool SC2 has been offered here. Future potential sponsors and newcomers alike have their eyes set on this event. How many sponsors have already been deterred by such erratic behavior as set forth by the presentation of the casters?
As cliche as it sounds, with power comes responsibility. Gretorp represents NASL as a caster. It's a powerful position granted towards an individual.
It's obvious Gretorp is trying really hard. And I'm not saying joking isn't allowed. But there are some obvious things you cannot and should not talk about on air. The things you do and say as a representative have rippling effects beyond your control.
How many potential sponsors have we lost? How many potential viewers turned away in disgust? How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League? If a star league carries itself out in such an inappropriate manner what example does this set for the rest?
Are you making these posts about Artosis and Tasteless too? Cause personally, I find them enjoyable, but quite a bit of the stuff that comes out of their mouths could be seen equally in such a light.
Seems more like I have a personal grudge against Gretorp cause he doesn't fill a special place in your heart.
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
Do you know that Tyler said something along the lines of, If you don't give a shit about what gum you chew, then pick Stride?
And guess what? Stride didn't drop him.
I fail to see how that hurts Strike in any way. Logically speaking that's a direct promotion.
Lol.
Think about it. "Yeah, that product I endorese? Fuckit, use it if you have to use something like it, but I don't really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯." That's not exactly like Michael Jordan flaunting a pair of briefs with the intent of selling them. It's sort of like ragging on your own sponsorship - that was the point of the post. Not sure how you don't see it that way
On May 21 2011 14:10 freeloader625 wrote: Alright I guess this will be the face of eSports: Gretorp going on air and talking about crabs. Even if the current SC2 community takes this well it doesn't help eSports. eSports will forever be a joke with these joke casters.
I wonder how sponsors feel about eSports? "Oh hey this game seems promising, no wait, this is clearly a joke, these casters are incredibly immature thus the players must be as such. I'll let my product be represented by something else instead."
I wonder how if LiquidTyler went on air and talked about crabs. I wonder how fast Stride gum would drop him?
You are responsible for your actions, even if you aren't old enough to realize that yet.
Do you know that Tyler said something along the lines of, If you don't give a shit about what gum you chew, then pick Stride?
And guess what? Stride didn't drop him.
I fail to see how that hurts Strike in any way. Logically speaking that's a direct promotion.
Lol.
Think about it. "Yeah, that product I endorese? Fuckit, use it if you have to use something like it, but I don't really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯." That's not exactly like Michael Jordan flaunting a pair of briefs with the intent of selling them. It's sort of like ragging on your own sponsorship - that was the point of the post. Not sure how you don't see it that way
I thought that was an actual slogan from stride, but I don't really know.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: Gretorp has one of the greatest positions North American eSports has to offer: casting in the first ever NASL. NASL is the first of its kind in North America; a prestigious league with the largest prize pool SC2 has been offered here. Future potential sponsors and newcomers alike have their eyes set on this event. How many sponsors have already been deterred by such erratic behavior as set forth by the presentation of the casters?
As cliche as it sounds, with power comes responsibility. Gretorp represents NASL as a caster. It's a powerful position granted towards an individual.
It's obvious Gretorp is trying really hard. And I'm not saying joking isn't allowed. But there are some obvious things you cannot and should not talk about on air. The things you do and say as a representative have rippling effects beyond your control.
How many potential sponsors have we lost? How many potential viewers turned away in disgust? How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League? If a star league carries itself out in such an inappropriate manner what example does this set for the rest?
Dude, haven't you noticed by now that you're the only person in the community who was offended by that comment?
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: How many potential sponsors have we lost?
None
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: How many potential viewers turned away in disgust?
How can a potential viewer turn away? How many real viewers? None.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League?
I don't know, I don't think Europe and Asia are two individuals, nor could I sum up an entire country's reaction to an event, but I'd guess they wouldn't give a merry fark.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: If a star league carries itself out in such an inappropriate manner what example does this set for the rest?
You are right on this point, I'm sure this has had a massive impact on all the people involved in all the more established leagues. I have it on good authority that they loosely base their lives around gretorps teachings, and they will immediately roll out the unintentional STD double entendre into all corporate policy going forward.
I don't know, I don't think Europe and Asia are two individuals, nor could I sum up an entire country's reaction to an event, but I'd guess they wouldn't give a merry fark
Last time i checked both Europe and Asia were continents not countries.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League?
I don't know, I don't think Europe and Asia are two individuals, nor could I sum up an entire country's reaction to an event, but I'd guess they wouldn't give a merry fark.
Hey, looks like my opinion is interesting and useful here! I am european, and i can in fact confirm that i don't care, at all. I can also positively confirm that the image of your country has not suffered any damage. At least with me. I obviously can't speak for every other european.
But since i don't know if the official european president of europe has given an official european statement of approval or disgust, i probably should stop talking before i fall out of line in case she does so.
Edit: Actually, he talked about crabs. I didn't really listen, but i think he was talking about crustaceans, but it could be misunderstood as talking about STDs, and incontrol laughed at him a lot. No idea why people are making such a hiccup.
On May 21 2011 13:25 SpecFire wrote: awwww fuck i missed Nada's games
Were they good? recommended?
Nada's games where the best of the night IMO, he played really really well. His TVP is looking REALLY strong these days. He probably worked on it alot after losing to inca, although those were just a bunch of all ins and a bit of overeagerness on his part when trying to snipe that nexus he was so far ahead in that last game against inca =_=
Naniwa vs Nada games are highly recommended though he played so well, down in supply absolutely rocking the protoss deathball it was really impressive.
On May 21 2011 12:50 `ChroMaTe_ wrote: 200 vs 150 food, 3 base vs. 2 base and Terran roflstomps, I don't get it.
Nada's spread was ridiculous, he always made sure his army was in excellent position during each engagement and his units were spread out, even with forcefields that was the game breaker.
Man nada was playing well today. BTW did anyone see his stutter step in his GSTL game, that was the most crisp impressive stutter step i have ever seen, so good.
On May 21 2011 12:50 `ChroMaTe_ wrote: 200 vs 150 food, 3 base vs. 2 base and Terran roflstomps, I don't get it.
Nada's spread was ridiculous, he always made sure his army was in excellent position during each engagement and his units were spread out, even with forcefields that was the game breaker.
Man nada was playing well today. BTW did anyone see his stutter step in his GSTL game, that was the most crisp impressive stutter step i have ever seen, so good.
Yes, that was probably the most fluid marauder stutter I've ever seen. He can't really pull it in NASL due to lag tho.
Today, more than anything, he relied on perfect positioning, and massively efficient drops. Destroying the forges researching 2/2 twice, the last one of which with like 15 seconds to finish made his army so much stronger than naniwa's that the engagements were much more 1-sided than you'd expect.
I think there is really something to 2/2 M&M versus Protoss, of course catching both forges twice really hurt Naniwa, but otherwise just great battles by Nada.
On May 21 2011 12:50 `ChroMaTe_ wrote: 200 vs 150 food, 3 base vs. 2 base and Terran roflstomps, I don't get it.
Nada's spread was ridiculous, he always made sure his army was in excellent position during each engagement and his units were spread out, even with forcefields that was the game breaker.
Man nada was playing well today. BTW did anyone see his stutter step in his GSTL game, that was the most crisp impressive stutter step i have ever seen, so good.
He's got like 10+ years experience playing with arcs and microing units well it's not too surprising though
Can those casters please stop using "lol" reference when commenting ? It sounds lame. I also always wondered why suit if under it is regular t-shirt, it looks terrible and it makes no sense.
On May 22 2011 03:23 Sakkreth wrote: Can those casters please stop using "lol" reference when commenting ? It sounds lame. I also always wondered why suit if under it is regular t-shirt, it looks terrible and it makes no sense.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: How many potential viewers turned away in disgust?
How can a potential viewer turn away? How many real viewers? None.
You're not really supposed to answer rhetorical questions, especially when there's no way you can know the answers to the questions. I mean, knowing the answer to the first question would have to mean you are in contact with every potential sponsor and that they assured you that you didn't lose them, which of course you aren't or couldn't possibly be. Knowing the answer to the second question would mean you have some very sophisticated method to gauge viewer reactions. I'm thinking you are looking purely at viewership and seeing it either grow or remain stable and thinking that Gretorp's comments didn't have any effect, which is flawed thinking.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: How would Europe and Asia feel about such immaturity in a STAR League?
I don't know, I don't think Europe and Asia are two individuals, nor could I sum up an entire country's reaction to an event, but I'd guess they wouldn't give a merry fark.
Maybe you can't, but of course it's possible to aggregate a certain demographic to answer that question. Why are you acting like it's a ridiculous thing? Again, the question was rhetorical, I believe.
On May 21 2011 16:07 freeloader625 wrote: If a star league carries itself out in such an inappropriate manner what example does this set for the rest?
You are right on this point, I'm sure this has had a massive impact on all the people involved in all the more established leagues. I have it on good authority that they loosely base their lives around gretorps teachings, and they will immediately roll out the unintentional STD double entendre into all corporate policy going forward.
And you finish off with a good old strayman that you beat down with sarcasm and ridicule. Well played.
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I had to mute it. I know the early game is tough to cast in an entertaining way, but there was a point where one guy finished a sentence with "competition" and the other guy went "mmmm." And then they did that 3 times or something. Pretty obnoxious. :x I'd really prefer that people try to guess what sort of tech or whatever people are going for based on their early decisions. Way more entertaining.
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