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TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
December 09 2011 10:28 GMT
#4861
What is Zergs best counter to massive amounts of Archons?
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 10:29 GMT
#4862
If you have any questions ask them here or the BW LR thread or irc.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:29:37
December 09 2011 10:29 GMT
#4863
On December 09 2011 19:28 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:27 Lindl wrote:
hey guys
there are no eng commentators for this, or am i just watching the wrong stream??


I think pretty much all english BW casters have switched to SC2.


Not all, but many. Sayle still casts proleague re-broadcast and his own/international tournaments. Oh, and Tasteless does cast BW from time to time apparently. Not much though.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 09 2011 10:29 GMT
#4864
On December 09 2011 19:28 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:27 Lindl wrote:
hey guys
there are no eng commentators for this, or am i just watching the wrong stream??


I think pretty much all english BW casters have switched to SC2.

Sayle is recasting pl in english at 10 CET. One os the best commentator we've ever had. Nukethestars is still here too :D
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 09 2011 10:29 GMT
#4865
On December 09 2011 19:25 Daray wrote:
I don't follow bw that much but that was a really good game right? intense atleast

It wasn't the most well played game, but it was very enjoyable indeed.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
December 09 2011 10:29 GMT
#4866
I don't think we'll see Fantasy v. flash for some reason...SKT1 is better off with a sure win.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 10:30 GMT
#4867
There are still quite a few BW casters and translators.
Jobber
Profile Joined September 2011
United States32 Posts
December 09 2011 10:31 GMT
#4868
On December 09 2011 19:28 TheBanana wrote:
What is Zergs best counter to massive amounts of Archons?

Im assuming its like the sc2 protoss deathball which is don't let them get that much.
I'm a Jobber
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
December 09 2011 10:31 GMT
#4869
On December 09 2011 19:28 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:25 Shikyo wrote:
I dont think you can beat mass archonreaver without ultras, ultrahydra would have been good but he didnt have enough money for that


Just theorycrafting here, but would mass guards/lurks/hydra be doable? Specifically on this map and the middle layout I don't see ultra being a viable choice against archon/reaver.


Guardians are too imoble, and since you need to keep the hydras around them so one corsair doesn't kill everything, zerg is going to be moving around in one big ball.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
December 09 2011 10:31 GMT
#4870
On December 09 2011 19:28 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:25 Shikyo wrote:
I dont think you can beat mass archonreaver without ultras, ultrahydra would have been good but he didnt have enough money for that


Just theorycrafting here, but would mass guards/lurks/hydra be doable? Specifically on this map and the middle layout I don't see ultra being a viable choice against archon/reaver.

guards rather suck. They are really slow so they won't even be able to dodge storms. Plus a goon heavy composition will just roll that easy(You don't even need goons when you have reavers/templars).
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
December 09 2011 10:31 GMT
#4871
FUCK YEAH BLING 6-0 his group
http://www.twitch.tv/czelpredy
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 09 2011 10:32 GMT
#4872
On December 09 2011 19:28 TheBanana wrote:
What is Zergs best counter to massive amounts of Archons?

Pray.
Hydras are good, lurkers under swarm, ultras too.
But there's no easy answer to the protoss lategame composition.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
December 09 2011 10:32 GMT
#4873
So what does the queen do in Sc1? Seems a bit different to the Sc2 one.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 09 2011 10:32 GMT
#4874
On December 09 2011 19:32 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:28 TheBanana wrote:
What is Zergs best counter to massive amounts of Archons?

Pray.
Hydras are good, lurkers under swarm, ultras too.
But there's no easy answer to the protoss lategame composition.


You never let the Protoss get that far in the first place.
WriterXiao8~~
allen_ami
Profile Joined December 2010
China1392 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4875
Fenix lost to noob macsed???LOL...
Single boy, single boy, single all the way. Online game, masturbate, we go all the way, hey! Single boy, single boy, why can't I be gay? No more wait, no more hate, let us all be gay!
Jobber
Profile Joined September 2011
United States32 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4876
On December 09 2011 19:32 Mouzone wrote:
So what does the queen do in Sc1? Seems a bit different to the Sc2 one.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Queen
Air spell caster
I'm a Jobber
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4877
On December 09 2011 19:31 Jobber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:28 TheBanana wrote:
What is Zergs best counter to massive amounts of Archons?

Im assuming its like the sc2 protoss deathball which is don't let them get that much.


Ultra's are your best bet, but Soo lacked the gas.

Remember though, in BW once geysers mine out they still produce 2 gas per trip, instead of 8. This means that it's real easy for a late game P with map control to get a fuckpile of archons and HT's, since they'll be mining lots of gas but few minerals.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4878
On December 09 2011 19:31 Jobber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:28 TheBanana wrote:
What is Zergs best counter to massive amounts of Archons?

Im assuming its like the sc2 protoss deathball which is don't let them get that much.


its not very often that you see that many archons.

there are plenty of good unit compositions in BW

like we've said earlier. SoO didn't have enough gas for the Ultras. Ultras would have helped significantly.
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4879
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_(StarCraft)
Less money for casters, more money for players.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4880
KT SEND OUT HOEJJA -_-;;;
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