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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4881
On December 09 2011 19:32 Mouzone wrote:
So what does the queen do in Sc1? Seems a bit different to the Sc2 one.

Nothing.
Joke, but it's a not very good spellcaster hass ensnare (area of effect, slows down units), broodling (kill a mech unit) infest CC and parasite (give you the unit vision).
Zerg macro is very different from bw to sc2.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4882
On December 09 2011 19:31 Jobber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:28 TheBanana wrote:
What is Zergs best counter to massive amounts of Archons?

Im assuming its like the sc2 protoss deathball which is don't let them get that much.


yea. At that point either your fucked, or protoss has no money which is why they are making so many arcons. Stats could still make units, so soo was done as soon as stats took that base that was at inside 3 oclock.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4883
On December 09 2011 19:32 Mouzone wrote:
So what does the queen do in Sc1? Seems a bit different to the Sc2 one.

We didn't get to see a queen this game, but they're lair tech units that can grant vision of everything an enemy unit sees, instakill a non-robotic unit, and slow an area
boomer hands
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#4884
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:39:11
December 09 2011 10:34 GMT
#4885
HoeJJA VERSUS RAIN -_-

ZvP
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 10:34 GMT
#4886
HOEJJA WIN SO WE SEE FANTASY VERSUS FLASH!
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7034 Posts
December 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#4887
On December 09 2011 19:33 StarStruck wrote:
KT SEND OUT HOEJJA -_-;;;

They called T1's choice to send cannon fodder against a likely Flash
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#4888
the lower bracket of the elimination is so much easier then the top bracket lol.
Idra really screwed up not passing his group, he could have easily reached the final from that lower bracket as the only good opponent in that bracket is his best matchup.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
December 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#4889
On December 09 2011 19:33 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:32 Mouzone wrote:
So what does the queen do in Sc1? Seems a bit different to the Sc2 one.

We didn't get to see a queen this game, but they're lair tech units that can grant vision of everything an enemy unit sees, instakill a non-robotic unit, and slow an area


your forgetting about their most important role
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Jobber
Profile Joined September 2011
United States32 Posts
December 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#4890
Hoejja please win, I want to see Flash :o
I'm a Jobber
Brutus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
December 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#4891
ZvZ is the PvP of BW right? Very tight BO and a lot more luck involved than the other MUs right?
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
December 09 2011 10:35 GMT
#4892
HOejja better win this shit...need Flash vs Fantasy.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#4893
PvZ again WHY
ffxiv enjoyer
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#4894
On December 09 2011 19:31 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:28 setzer wrote:
On December 09 2011 19:25 Shikyo wrote:
I dont think you can beat mass archonreaver without ultras, ultrahydra would have been good but he didnt have enough money for that


Just theorycrafting here, but would mass guards/lurks/hydra be doable? Specifically on this map and the middle layout I don't see ultra being a viable choice against archon/reaver.


Guardians are too imoble, and since you need to keep the hydras around them so one corsair doesn't kill everything, zerg is going to be moving around in one big ball.


Yeah that was my initial thought, but I don't think ultras are going to be a popular choice, even against a high tech army like that. It didn't help that SoO was never able to secure the other main, but would he have chosen to go ultras? To me the middle isn't going to favor that unit, especially when the toss has temp/archon/reaver.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:37:03
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#4895
Its ZvP though. OGN messed up apparently.

e. sigh, quoted wrong.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#4896
On December 09 2011 19:35 Puosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:33 StarStruck wrote:
KT SEND OUT HOEJJA -_-;;;

They called T1's choice to send cannon fodder against a likely Flash

By.Sun is very good though :/
But yeah, it's Hoejja best match-up, I think here KT coach got the upper hand.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#4897
I can't find rain in TLPD, anyone know where he is?
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
silverstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:37:18
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#4898
Lol potential ace match is going to be another PvZ?? Sigh gogogo HoeJJA just cos there should be a more epic ace match

edit: oh PvZ...
Liquid`HerO!!!
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7034 Posts
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#4899
On December 09 2011 19:35 Brutus wrote:
ZvZ is the PvP of BW right? Very tight BO and a lot more luck involved than the other MUs right?

Modern ZvZ less so, but yeah, it's very bo based.
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
December 09 2011 10:36 GMT
#4900
On December 09 2011 19:35 Brutus wrote:
ZvZ is the PvP of BW right? Very tight BO and a lot more luck involved than the other MUs right?


Sort of, but ZvZ is coinflippy.

In any case, this is a ZvP cause OGN screwed up Rain's race.
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