EPT[NASL] Day 5-3 - Page 41
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Pochtli
Finland690 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:50 Clog wrote: Right Just surprised at Nani's comment when he surely knew he would die to anything after dumping 400 minerals into expo, 250 gas into tech (and then some), and only 2 gates worth of production Well that expansion was surely questionable no doubt about that, but talking about the match-up generally it's pretty bad. Macro doesn't really have any place in it. The funniest thing I remember was on this season's GSL where it was Inca vs Huk iirc on Xel'Naga Fortress where both players had mined all 8 mineral patches from their bases before expanding. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:51 greentft wrote: so, how many undefeated boX for nani? 36? It was 35 I think, and it was already ended by Sase. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:50 garlicface wrote: 99% of games ending 1 base vs 1 base is hardly balanced in SC terms, and it's certainly not entertaining. The only reason ZvZ passes one base baneling is because banes can't break a 3 roach wall on a ramp. | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:50 garlicface wrote: 99% of games ending 1 base vs 1 base is hardly balanced in SC terms, and it's certainly not entertaining. You don't understand what balance means. A mirror matchup cannot be imbalanced. No problem in a matchup being decided by micro. I will give you that there are a ton of straight up build order wins in PvP, especially for the player going 4gate or blink stalkers, but its not like there are a ton of possible safe openings in ZvZ either. 1st game was enteratining, 2nd game i didnt catch, 3rd was critical mistake from naniwa. Only reason TvT turns into such a long game, is because it is safe to expand due to the defensive power of tanks. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On another note, it was slightly amusing hearing Idra ask Incontrol a bunch of questions about PvP. It seems this is the one match up he isn't too familiar with  | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
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Nifel
706 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:53 Azarkon wrote: It stopped with SaSe, which was also a PvP. It turns out Naniwa's PvP seems to be his worst MU. Yeah. Not to mention that was a really one sided story. Beside the first game it wasn't even close (and the cheese game I guess, lol). I'd assume he's focusing all his practice on PvT at the moment. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:57 MrMotionPicture wrote: So I totally took a two hour nap to get ready for this! Woo! Either you're posting in the wrong thread or you are going to be really pissed to see the time of this tourny. | ||
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Greece127 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:55 Seide wrote: You don't understand what balance means. 1st game was enteratining, 2nd game i didnt catch, 3rd was critical mistake from naniwa. Only reason TvT turns into such a long game, is because it is safe to expand due to the defensive power of tanks. If ZvZ didnt almost require a 2nd base, im sure 99% of those games would be 1 base vs 1 base as well, and no1 really complains about ZvZ too much. 1st game was entertaining just because had that DT come out 10-20 seconds later that game would be over. 2nd game was 4g vs 4g 3rd was rock paper scissors with 1 critical mistake (still wouldnt win, imo). Its not so much about balance as you cant really complain about mirror balance, its just the fact the matchup is rock paper scissors most of the time and on top of that EXTREMELY boring to watch. Macro plays no role , in fact in some 4g vs 4g you have to purposely cut probes in the early game and supply block yourself like naniwa did in the 2nd game. So all we have is micro wars which is fun to see once or twice but every game 1base micro wars gets really boring. Also , you cant say the best player always wins (not talking about this but in general) when in most games it comes down to microing 10- units of stalkers and zealots and as soon as someone gets 1 unit advantage they pretty much win :/ And yeah , ZvZ was the most boring matchup like some months ago. Everyone complained when it used to be zergling baneling wars out of 1 base 99% of the games. Edit: phrasing | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
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ChApFoU
France2988 Posts
Haypro aka the nightmare of liquibetters :D | ||
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Nifel
706 Posts
On May 14 2011 15:28 Eury wrote: Naniwa played Squirtle just minutes after losing to Sase. It really wasn't his day. Ouch. Didn't know that. Yeah no wonder if he felt bad..Seriously, after the series vs Sase I'd want to lock myself up in a dark room and meditate on PvP, not play another lol. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
motbob got his banhammer!? Congratulations  Totally thought if anyone was going to manhandle squirtle it would have been Nani; maybe he has all his energy focussed on his PvT matchup :p I will have to watch the VODs! | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
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