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Great finals. Both players had amazing games, but NesTea always managed to overcome every aspect of Inka.
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
Great finals. Both players had amazing games, but NesTea always managed to overcome every aspect of Inka. | ||
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Zingerac
United States138 Posts
On May 15 2011 10:25 carloselcoco wrote: With NesTea's win I think we can definitely agree that zerg are a great race that does not need improvement and can become unstoppable if used under the right hands. Great finals. Both players had amazing games, but NesTea always managed to overcome every aspect of Inka. Or that NesTea can crush a significantly outclassed protoss opponent who can't hold Zerg 2 base all ins? | ||
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karlmengsk
Canada230 Posts
On May 15 2011 08:43 bahl sofs tiil wrote: You need to watch more of Rain's games. no one needs to do that lol | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On May 15 2011 07:59 Drazzzt wrote: I find it interesting that you are so sure that VR and DT is the only counter against this roach aggression which is only popular for 2-3 weeks now (since losira beat alicia). Have you ever thought about the possibility that there are other ways to stop it (which have to be found)? I mean the 3 gate sentry FE was considered as absolutely safe for several months. And then Losira found a way to beat or at least to heavily disturb it. And now 2 weeks later you say there is no other way. 3 weeks ago you had told everyone that 3 gate FE is safe. So, let's wait and see. I agree though that it was not to be expected from InCa to find a way before the final (especially as he often stresses that he doesn't watch the builds of other players). I don't know if anyone noticed but Nestea played a very concise push timing hitting at 7:50. The most builds I know hit at 8:10. So, it's possible that InCa hadn't met that before. Overall, I don't think DTs is that good a choice. Even though Artosis and Tasteless seemed so impressed by nesTea it's actually quite easy to scout. If P has 2 gas and almost no sentries, make evo chamber. U either need it for VR or DT. So.... I would believe finding better Sim Cities adding cannons may help. Let's wait and see. Depending on the level of play, even high GM level on certain maps it is very hard to hold this using only sentry+stalker+zealot. I think VIBE vs grubby NASL on xel naga is an extremely good example and grubby folded. It is just a strong build, if it does can either kill off nexus or decimate sentry army or just end the game because it is hard to scout so if you cannon it is basically blind cannoning. | ||
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maryelizbethwinstead
Mexico223 Posts
On May 14 2011 17:16 weiliem wrote: Yeah, cant understand at all.... at least him cheesing will be btr than this rape..... =.= the dt opening for game 2n3 is understandable but the 3rd game?? what r those dts for?? he could've just teched into colossus and mass blink stalkers.... this is so lame..... In retrospect, yeah, he lost more respect yesterday by losing so horribly while playing standard, than he would have if he had cheesed Nestea!!! every single time. Would have had a better chance of winning too. He broke his own rule and paid the price. As an aside, I think he went consecutive Dt's the first time because he thought that Nestea!!! would think that "nobody would do that twice in a row"...then he did it again for game 4 because he thought that Nestea!!! would think that "nobody would do that again." Unfortunately, Inca may have miscalculated Nestea!!!'s IQ just a tad. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Inca lost those games for himself, NesTea didn't win them... he just played quite standardly and Inca did some stupid mistakes every time, or just nothing at all (last game super expand). We all know you can stop an opponent before they get out of hand or atleast keep even footing, Inca did neither and thus produced boring games. Great productionvalue. | ||
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everytimee
United States122 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10356 Posts
On May 15 2011 08:43 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Hide nested quote - On May 15 2011 07:44 mrjpark wrote: On May 15 2011 03:44 Nothingtosay wrote: On May 15 2011 03:36 OhMyGawd wrote: On May 15 2011 03:24 425kid wrote: Lol TL. Inca does a two base time. "OMFG DIRTY CHEESY ALL-INNER" Nestea does the same thing "Nestea so good!!!!" Well i think the basis of that conclusion is that Nestea has showed great games consistently against the best players in the world, showing that he actually has a large amount of skill. Inca on the other hand is a little less known and when you see an unknown player cheese, i mean do a timing attack, you draw the conclusion of a bad player. Except people always say zergs are great when they do 2 base timings and always call terrans/protosses bad when they do the same especially if they do it vs zerg. BitByBit and Rain are both PoS cheesers because it is all they're capable of doing. Every game, they go in ready to pull off their next premeditated cheese. They're not capable of successfully playing a mid-game, forget a late-game. You need to watch more of Rain's games. no one needs to do that lol You need to watch more of Rain's games. Everyone seems to have forgotten that epic match against oGsMC in GSL3 set 2 on Lost Temple. And people don't seem to have seen Rain's game against MVP recently in the up/down. The latter isn't as good as an example but considering MVP has such godly TvT, Rain didn't do very bad at all. Rain may do a lot of early game builds but he can definitely macro decently. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
they are different players. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
Idra says he would not be surprised to see ZERO Zergs in the round of 16 gsl! Because of Balance! 2 gsls later: Zerg semi-finalist, Zerg winner. Gotta love those balance whines. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:37 Figgy wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRheYNwLWk4 Idra says he would not be surprised to see ZERO Zergs in the round of 16 gsl! Because of Balance! 2 gsls later: Zerg semi-finalist, Zerg winner. Gotta love those balance whines. Gotta love patches? | ||
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Jepsyn
Canada364 Posts
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Skank
United States329 Posts
I watched a game where Rain made it into the late game. Then oGsTop was like 80 supply ahead of him... So I do agree that Rain doesn't always all-in and makes it into the late game sometimes, but when he does he usually loses... badly. | ||
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Klamity
United States994 Posts
On May 15 2011 14:09 Skank wrote: I watched a game where Rain made it into the late game. Then oGsTop was like 80 supply ahead of him... So I do agree that Rain doesn't always all-in and makes it into the late game sometimes, but when he does he usually loses... badly. i don't like rain either, but please don't have such narrow minded views. one game does not define a player. he showed in the very recent up/down matches that he is wholly capable of playing a macro game. he went toe-to-toe with IMMvp in two games. despite losing, he showed us he is very capable. | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
InCa now 0-8 vs zerg, lol | ||
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wolfe
United States761 Posts
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On May 15 2011 15:32 wolfe wrote: And so begins Inka's fall... from average pro gamer ground floor into pro gamer hell. Because he lost in the finals of the GSL? What about the 62 other players in code S and A who didn't even get there? | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
and sadly a huge amount of protoss players are playign exactly like terran was in the first seasons. A solid strategy is not built around cheese, or timing attacks, it's built around decisions, game sense knowledge and skill. not "attack at 7 minutes and 20 seconds". i beat you any money that if inca didnt go for shitty timing builds nestea wouldnt have roach crushed him. | ||
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