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QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
May 14 2011 17:51 GMT
#4321
On May 15 2011 02:50 BandonBanshee wrote:
Bathing in the tears of protoss feels so good Nestea too good


True that... nestea is a fucking monster..
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
May 14 2011 17:53 GMT
#4322
On May 15 2011 02:39 QTIP. wrote:
I agree with you 100%... but its just like... so misleading to all the non-pros. I mean, how many times have you seen scrubs in lower leagues cling to words that Idra or Nestea say about zerg imbalance when they lose, even when its clear that these players are just terrible and their loss had nothing to do with balance. But they just keep quoting Idra rants, or Nestea interviews. It definitely is a sly and smart way to go about it to prevent spreading the notion that your race is OP, but mannnn I don't like these silly balance politics that all the players play... T_T


Interesting, While I do agree that lower level players cling to the word of pros too much; Nesteas victory over Inca was 1 part "being a better player" and second part "finding a great timing". It didn't help that Inca used the same build for the first 3 games.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 17:56:01
May 14 2011 17:55 GMT
#4323
On May 15 2011 02:29 thoradycus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 02:23 Kipsate wrote:
People get angry about GSL onesided finals, but know that this not only happen in SC2, it also happens in BW.
The last OSL final which we had was a clear 3-0 victory and was very much onesided.

It also happens that people get to the finals with a fluke, when Best fought July Best had a relativly easy route, SC2 is no exception to this. Sometimes people just get hard opponents all the time and others get easy opponents all the time. This is no different from even the World Cup, The Netherlands in the World Cup reached the finals, yet we had a relativly easy road until we met Brazil somewhere along the way.

These things happen outside SC2 aswell.

Besides, we finally see that Zerg can be aggressive aswell in the game, mind I remind you that Bisu vs Saviour was heavily in Saviour his favour, yet Bisu at that point came up with a build that swept away Saviour 3-0.

Was it lopsided?Yes, however it has become the new standard of PvZ.

The game evolves, is that not all what we want?You can't expect topnotch games all the time, especially when the game is so new.


Agreed. Its just that before this, we had one-sided,non inspiring finals as well. Except GSL2, we never had a close finals, so i guess its quite frustrating. Its frustrating for gom as well, trying to hype up,production etc only to have it end dissapointingly.


haha, well the OSL I just mentioned was held in a stadium, tens of thousands of people came to watch, and what?a 3-0 sweep? .

I guess it is sad that we get another onesided finals, but once the game has evolved more it will mean that we get more close games, baby steps to better games people, baby steps.
WriterXiao8~~
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 17:58:58
May 14 2011 17:57 GMT
#4324
Hey guys, just so you know the new strategy that wins is using the same build over and over until the opponent thinks you're too #$@$ stupid to do it again.

Oh wait no it isn't. InCa... I have no idea what you were thinking but you are god awful at fighting against Zerg. How much does this guy practice? Zero hours a day?
mitthrawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany443 Posts
May 14 2011 17:58 GMT
#4325
On May 15 2011 02:40 Zephirdd wrote:
I almost felt sorry for InCa, there was nothing he could do there.

Maybe it's just me but he could have changed his BOs -.-
/o\
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
May 14 2011 18:00 GMT
#4326
This was a really horrid series for a final -_-. IMO the real final's series was SC vs NesTea, now that was a brilliant series.
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
May 14 2011 18:02 GMT
#4327
On May 15 2011 02:53 ixi.genocide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 02:39 QTIP. wrote:
I agree with you 100%... but its just like... so misleading to all the non-pros. I mean, how many times have you seen scrubs in lower leagues cling to words that Idra or Nestea say about zerg imbalance when they lose, even when its clear that these players are just terrible and their loss had nothing to do with balance. But they just keep quoting Idra rants, or Nestea interviews. It definitely is a sly and smart way to go about it to prevent spreading the notion that your race is OP, but mannnn I don't like these silly balance politics that all the players play... T_T


Interesting, While I do agree that lower level players cling to the word of pros too much; Nesteas victory over Inca was 1 part "being a better player" and second part "finding a great timing". It didn't help that Inca used the same build for the first 3 games.


The DT build was tailored to counter roach - ling aggression vs 3 Gate expands. And I'm sure its quite popular over there at the IM house when protoss players help Nestea practice. But you are right, going for it 3 games in a row when your opponent has clearly anticipated it is like beating your head against a brick wall. The only other option is a void ray opening, kinda wish Inca mixed it up and tried that. But yeah, Nestea the FAR better player.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
lambchops
Profile Joined April 2011
United States63 Posts
May 14 2011 18:04 GMT
#4328
i think you guys should cut him some slack, he looked really nervous. and nestea is just a fucking monster.
2par
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway129 Posts
May 14 2011 18:08 GMT
#4329
Congratulations to Nestea!
Thanks to GSL, Tasteless and Artosis for another great season.
torm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada274 Posts
May 14 2011 18:09 GMT
#4330
On May 15 2011 03:04 lambchops wrote:
i think you guys should cut him some slack, he looked really nervous. and nestea is just a fucking monster.


Probably would be easier to cut him some slack if inca wasn't talking out of his ass for the past couple of weeks acting like the only reason he wasn't winning the last 3 GSL finals in a row were due to some terribly unnatural causes.
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
May 14 2011 18:11 GMT
#4331
On May 15 2011 02:40 Zephirdd wrote:
I almost felt sorry for InCa, there was nothing he could do there.

NesTea is a monster.


Yeah maybe next time Inca could try not wasting his first 600 gas into DTs that don't do anything. Then it wouldn't have looked so one sided.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
May 14 2011 18:12 GMT
#4332
On May 15 2011 01:57 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 01:53 Heimatloser wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:33 Tachion wrote:
in BW, after the Ro32, they seed the players in the brackets based off of their ELO right? Perhaps they should start doing that in GSL :o Maybe that will even be part of how they're changing the tournament format like they announced! That way it does a better job at evenly dividing player skill amongst the brackets, and you don't have that random chance where a lesser player has an easy route to the finals.

No!
In one single league of BW, called the MSL, the seed the players based of their KeSPA rank.


Not true,
MSL gets seeded based upon previous performance in the last MSL.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210590

Notice how all the seeds are Zerg and 3 Protoss, last MSL was an all Zerg Ro4, we had no Terran seeds at all, not even Flash. Flash might be high in ELO and in Kespa Rank but at the end of the day he was knocked out of the MSL before getting to the Ro8(Ro8 claim a seed)

If you fail to get to the Ro8 then you need to play qualifiers, just like everybody else who did not reach the Ro8.

my fault. i thought people would read the quoted bit AND my response to it. i should have known better.
we were ofc talking about the REseeding in the higher branches of the tourney
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
holycrapitsTony
Profile Joined October 2010
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 18:21:09
May 14 2011 18:15 GMT
#4333
If anybody skews this into a way to say that Zerg is overpowered, I'll have an aneurysm.
NYE: when the match loading screen comes up "zvz" it's like finding out you have hiv
425kid
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
May 14 2011 18:24 GMT
#4334
Lol TL. Inca does a two base time. "OMFG DIRTY CHEESY ALL-INNER"
Nestea does the same thing "Nestea so good!!!!"
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 14 2011 18:25 GMT
#4335
On May 15 2011 03:12 Heimatloser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 01:57 Kipsate wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:53 Heimatloser wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:33 Tachion wrote:
in BW, after the Ro32, they seed the players in the brackets based off of their ELO right? Perhaps they should start doing that in GSL :o Maybe that will even be part of how they're changing the tournament format like they announced! That way it does a better job at evenly dividing player skill amongst the brackets, and you don't have that random chance where a lesser player has an easy route to the finals.

No!
In one single league of BW, called the MSL, the seed the players based of their KeSPA rank.


Not true,
MSL gets seeded based upon previous performance in the last MSL.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210590

Notice how all the seeds are Zerg and 3 Protoss, last MSL was an all Zerg Ro4, we had no Terran seeds at all, not even Flash. Flash might be high in ELO and in Kespa Rank but at the end of the day he was knocked out of the MSL before getting to the Ro8(Ro8 claim a seed)

If you fail to get to the Ro8 then you need to play qualifiers, just like everybody else who did not reach the Ro8.

my fault. i thought people would read the quoted bit AND my response to it. i should have known better.
we were ofc talking about the REseeding in the higher branches of the tourney


Fair enough, honest mistake.
WriterXiao8~~
Jonny55
Profile Joined August 2010
United States22 Posts
May 14 2011 18:34 GMT
#4336
InCa Rule - oGsInCa will lose to any zerg under any circumstances in the GSL regardless as to the state of the metagame.
+ Show Spoiler +
Inca ... you're 0-8 against zerg
"Thats Halo, don't worry" - HuK
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
May 14 2011 18:34 GMT
#4337
On May 15 2011 03:15 holycrapitsTony wrote:
If anybody skews this into a way to say that Zerg is overpowered, I'll have an aneurysm.


Zerg isn't OP. If anything, these games showed that they are completely playable in today's metagame.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
OhMyGawd
Profile Joined February 2011
United States264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 18:37:12
May 14 2011 18:36 GMT
#4338
On May 15 2011 03:24 425kid wrote:
Lol TL. Inca does a two base time. "OMFG DIRTY CHEESY ALL-INNER"
Nestea does the same thing "Nestea so good!!!!"


Well i think the basis of that conclusion is that Nestea has showed great games consistently against the best players in the world, showing that he actually has a large amount of skill.

Inca on the other hand is a little less known and when you see an unknown player cheese, i mean do a timing attack, you draw the conclusion of a bad player.
zomg
Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
May 14 2011 18:44 GMT
#4339
On May 15 2011 03:36 OhMyGawd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 03:24 425kid wrote:
Lol TL. Inca does a two base time. "OMFG DIRTY CHEESY ALL-INNER"
Nestea does the same thing "Nestea so good!!!!"


Well i think the basis of that conclusion is that Nestea has showed great games consistently against the best players in the world, showing that he actually has a large amount of skill.

Inca on the other hand is a little less known and when you see an unknown player cheese, i mean do a timing attack, you draw the conclusion of a bad player.

Except people always say zergs are great when they do 2 base timings and always call terrans/protosses bad when they do the same especially if they do it vs zerg.
[QUOTE][B]On October 16 2011 13:00 Anihc wrote:[/B] No, you're the one who's wrong. Nothingtosay got it right.[/QUOTE]:3
MH_Gunner
Profile Joined May 2011
200 Posts
May 14 2011 18:54 GMT
#4340
Inca had sexy time with the t-ara girls and promised them that he will lose to nestea 4 times in a row using the dt build .
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