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On May 13 2011 09:49 Toadvine wrote:
It's kind of amazing tbh, ViBe is really executing everything worse than Hasu is, but still winning nonetheless. Guess you don't have to be three times better to beat a Protoss as Zerg.
ViBe executing worse than Hasu? He was attacking multiple locations and dropping whilst maintaining macro and managing 4 bases. How could that possibly be executing worse!? You're a maniac.
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On May 13 2011 09:51 HeroHenry wrote:
Wish vibe would play like this in NASL =/
He's on a 2 win streak in NASL I believe :D
He has crazy apm
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ViBE is an amazing amazing player. Holy crap.
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On May 13 2011 09:53 mpf189 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:51 HeroHenry wrote:
Wish vibe would play like this in NASL =/ He's on a 2 win streak in NASL I believe :D He has crazy apm
Against the 2 people that are 0-5 in his group tbf. It'll be interesting to see how he performs next week. He certainly seems less nervous than before.
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On May 13 2011 09:47 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:46 vdale wrote:On May 13 2011 09:44 AndAgain wrote:
What is Hasu doing? Just falling further behind. what should he do? He already lost (after the drop) Just attack with what he has. He will never be in a better position anyway.
yea he was only about 10 supply behind and i think it was in workers at the point where he was pushing across the map i think he could have possibly taken it if not done alot of damage, and it would have forced vibe to keep the stalkers in his base and potentially lose them all, all he really had were some hydras and 7-8 mutas at that time.
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On May 13 2011 09:52 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:49 Toadvine wrote:
It's kind of amazing tbh, ViBe is really executing everything worse than Hasu is, but still winning nonetheless. Guess you don't have to be three times better to beat a Protoss as Zerg. lol? This game was over after the 7 pool did so much damage too the probes. Killed sooo many. Vibe played better overall, hasu had 1 control group syndrome alot and would lose a colossi stupidly trying too deal with muta's because they dont' have the obstacles that a stalker has. not once in this game was vibe in trouble of losing he had the advantage from the beginning.
ViBe didn't play better overall. He had much worse mechanics and decision making, he just managed to get ahead due to build orders early and carried that out for the rest of the game.
Hasu was actually splitting units up, the one time he lost Colossus to muta was when he was trying to get to his natural and the Colossus walked up the cliff whilst the stalkers were walking around, at the same time he was getting dropped in the main. He was defending like a champ considering when he got dropped he had 1 Colossus, 3 Stalkers 3 sentry and a few zealots.
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Looks like zergs are starting to understand the concept of supply efficiency. The MU was never imbalanced, it's just that maxing out with roaches and just sitting back is a completely irrational way to play.
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On May 13 2011 09:52 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:49 Toadvine wrote:
It's kind of amazing tbh, ViBe is really executing everything worse than Hasu is, but still winning nonetheless. Guess you don't have to be three times better to beat a Protoss as Zerg. lol? This game was over after the 7 pool did so much damage too the probes. Killed sooo many. Vibe played better overall, hasu had 1 control group syndrome alot and would lose a colossi stupidly trying too deal with muta's because they dont' have the obstacles that a stalker has. not once in this game was vibe in trouble of losing he had the advantage from the beginning.
I was talking about the whole series in general. Although it's quite funny actually, ViBe had the game 100% won when his lings got past the cannon, but he still managed to fail and let them get surrounded, thus almost letting Hasu back into it.
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This is the first time I've actually been impressed by Vibe, beating Grubby and Artosis isn't much of an accomplishment right now, but HasuObs is a pretty strong Protoss, not to mention beating Minigun in the IPL which was quite surprising considering Minigun decimated him the last time they met.
Using those mutas to keep the Protoss unable to move around was really good stuff.
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People say that HasuObs was way behind after the 7 pool but they were even on harvesters...
I feel like the real issue was that HasuObs got a little greedy trying to setup his economy with minimal units for defense. Losing the main nexus to a group of lings and a few hydras because he had to defend his expo with his entire force of about a half dozen stalkers and one colossi was the clincher.
Zerg timing attacks are really strong against Protoss, most of whom play quite greedy. HasuObs lost two games because he basically had too few units to defend.
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On May 13 2011 09:53 Cops wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:49 Toadvine wrote:
It's kind of amazing tbh, ViBe is really executing everything worse than Hasu is, but still winning nonetheless. Guess you don't have to be three times better to beat a Protoss as Zerg. ViBe executing worse than Hasu? He was attacking multiple locations and dropping whilst maintaining macro and managing 4 bases. How could that possibly be executing worse!? You're a maniac.
He was floating 2k minerals and only starting his third during that drop harass. Which was quite good, I agree, but with the army advantage he had at that point, it really wasn't hard to make those drops do damage.
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On May 13 2011 09:56 Azarkon wrote:
People say that HasuObs was way behind after the 7 pool but they were even on harvesters...
I feel like the real issue was that HasuObs got a little greedy trying to setup his economy with minimal units for defense. Losing the main nexus to a group of lings and a few hydras because he had to defend his expo with his entire force of about a half dozen stalkers and one colossi was the clincher.
Zerg timing attacks are really strong against Protoss, most of whom play quite greedy. HasuObs lost two games because he basically had too few units to defend.
Fast colossus is how you deal with Hydra drops. You cant defend Hydra/Ling with Stalker/Sentry/Cannons, you eventually die once your forcefields run out. You need the Colossus to kite the Hydra and aoe the lings.
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Australia8532 Posts
After ViBe's initial performances in the NASL i was a bit sceptical and more than expected the TSL3 semi-finalist to take care of him, but ViBe showed what all the hype is all about; i was pretty impressed with his play in this series, particularly in the dreaded ZvP match up 
Well played!
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Why doesn't Hasu use photon cannons to defend in addition to the stalkers? Against mass mutalisks I mean.
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i ask joshy, to not state every tiny aspect, which the viewer can see anyway. also to think a little more, before talking about tactics. "hasuobs with no defence at the main mineral line" at min 5 or 6, like what? preperation for 1 base mutas? i could give more examples.
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Im startin to love vibe more n more everytime he crushes someone, that guy has such a nice style of play :o
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On May 13 2011 09:59 KevinIX wrote:
Why doesn't Hasu use photon cannons to defend in addition to the stalkers? Against mass mutalisks I mean.
you really think cannons can stop mass mutalisk?? seriously, cannons are horrid against mutas over the count of 5. You are much better off getting stalkers with blink.
Actually, the only way I've felt comfortable dealing with mutas lately is phoenix, or maybe storm lategame (but doesnt stop the harassing). Mass muta owns blink stalkers hard. Going phoenix forces a corrupter switch, in which lowers their food for other units until broodlords are ready (in which case if you havent killed him by then, you are dead anyways)
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Are there going to be VODs released of these qualifier matches?
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Thanks very much to the several thousand viewers we had today! Sorry for the hiccup or two, but stuff happens sometimes. I'll do my best to clean it up for next Thursday when I cast the second qualifier's semis and finals. =D
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On May 13 2011 10:14 Dibond wrote:
Are there going to be VODs released of these qualifier matches?
Right now we are focused on the live viewer experience.
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