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On May 06 2011 11:03 Unnamed Player wrote:
Incontrol without his gimmicks (DT's) is just average compared to top players.
Love seeing balanced players beating cheesey or gimmicky players.
Restores some of my faith in SC2.
That wasn't a DT rush or anything, that was just using DTs when your opponent has no detection. I don't see how that is in any way cheese.
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On May 06 2011 11:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11 08 city42 wrote:On May 06 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 11 Kazang wrote:On May 06 2011 10:59 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 10 Newguy wrote:
very strong play from incontrol, good decision making throughout the game, knowing darkforce had no corrupters his counterattack was extremely effective. Inc was completely outplayed, his macro wasn't even close to Darkforce's. He got back in it because the Protoss ball is sick and he did some DT cheese. Mechanically he was so far behind Darkforce. DT cheese? WTF? That is strategy. Eliminate detection then using cloaked units is a strategy, used in this real time strategy game Mechanically behind? If the zerg doesn't have more units than the toss it is the zerg who's mechanics are lacking, not the other way around. I don't even...... Yeah, the classic get 70 supply behind your opponent, snipe all detection and then spam DT's build. Smart strategy from Inc. No idea why I've never seen MC try it. Can you please stop perpetuating this nonsense? A zerg will always max out well before a protoss if he goes hydra/roach. Yes, it's very standard for the Protoss to be 70 supply behind.
That's exactly right. It's totally normal for a zerg to max out on hydra/roach while the protoss is at 130-140.
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On May 06 2011 11:09 sermokala wrote:
lets his expo finish or accident? Mind game or newbfest?
probably chose to let it finish after lings got inside his main
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On May 06 2011 11:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11 08 city42 wrote:On May 06 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 11 Kazang wrote:On May 06 2011 10:59 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 10 Newguy wrote:
very strong play from incontrol, good decision making throughout the game, knowing darkforce had no corrupters his counterattack was extremely effective. Inc was completely outplayed, his macro wasn't even close to Darkforce's. He got back in it because the Protoss ball is sick and he did some DT cheese. Mechanically he was so far behind Darkforce. DT cheese? WTF? That is strategy. Eliminate detection then using cloaked units is a strategy, used in this real time strategy game Mechanically behind? If the zerg doesn't have more units than the toss it is the zerg who's mechanics are lacking, not the other way around. I don't even...... Yeah, the classic get 70 supply behind your opponent, snipe all detection and then spam DT's build. Smart strategy from Inc. No idea why I've never seen MC try it. Can you please stop perpetuating this nonsense? A zerg will always max out well before a protoss if he goes hydra/roach. Yes, it's very standard for the Protoss to be 70 supply behind.
When your opponent takes a risky unscouted third it is.
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Oh man, I remember when naniwa did that ff on ramp vs. z during beta, good times.
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On May 06 2011 11:09 sermokala wrote:
lets his expo finish or accident? Mind game or newbfest?
Mind games. ST is a bad map to 4gate, no real terrain to use to your advantage and the Natural is in deep
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On May 06 2011 11:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11 08 city42 wrote:On May 06 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 11 Kazang wrote:On May 06 2011 10:59 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 10 Newguy wrote:
very strong play from incontrol, good decision making throughout the game, knowing darkforce had no corrupters his counterattack was extremely effective. Inc was completely outplayed, his macro wasn't even close to Darkforce's. He got back in it because the Protoss ball is sick and he did some DT cheese. Mechanically he was so far behind Darkforce. DT cheese? WTF? That is strategy. Eliminate detection then using cloaked units is a strategy, used in this real time strategy game Mechanically behind? If the zerg doesn't have more units than the toss it is the zerg who's mechanics are lacking, not the other way around. I don't even...... Yeah, the classic get 70 supply behind your opponent, snipe all detection and then spam DT's build. Smart strategy from Inc. No idea why I've never seen MC try it. Can you please stop perpetuating this nonsense? A zerg will always max out well before a protoss if he goes hydra/roach. Yes, it's very standard for the Protoss to be 70 supply behind.
Yup.
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Someone tell that dumbass that Romanticize doesn't mean what he thinks it means
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On May 06 2011 11:08 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:06 Swede wrote:
How can anyone call 20 minute DTs cheesy or gimmicky? If DTs at that point are cheese, when are they not cheese? The second they are built it becomes cheese apparently. I think they are great to take advantage of a opponent not having any detection.
It's pretty standard for people in LR threads to consider any protoss unit that does something gimmicky/abusive.
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On May 06 2011 11:08 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 11 Kazang wrote:On May 06 2011 10:59 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 10 Newguy wrote:
very strong play from incontrol, good decision making throughout the game, knowing darkforce had no corrupters his counterattack was extremely effective. Inc was completely outplayed, his macro wasn't even close to Darkforce's. He got back in it because the Protoss ball is sick and he did some DT cheese. Mechanically he was so far behind Darkforce. DT cheese? WTF? That is strategy. Eliminate detection then using cloaked units is a strategy, used in this real time strategy game Mechanically behind? If the zerg doesn't have more units than the toss it is the zerg who's mechanics are lacking, not the other way around. I don't even...... Yeah, the classic get 70 supply behind your opponent, snipe all detection and then spam DT's build. Smart strategy from Inc. No idea why I've never seen MC try it. Can you please stop perpetuating this nonsense? A zerg will always max out well before a protoss if he goes hydra/roach.
Please be joking lol. It was a 60-70 supply differential... 
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On May 06 2011 11:09 sermokala wrote:
lets his expo finish or accident? Mind game or newbfest?
Sometimes, players like to put some pressure on their opponent so that can safely expand.
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On May 06 2011 11:07 Unnamed Player wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:05 rolfe wrote:On May 06 2011 11:03 Unnamed Player wrote:
Incontrol without his gimmicks (DT's) is just average compared to top players.
Love seeing balanced players beating cheesey or gimmicky players.
Restores some of my faith in SC2.
gimics? when a base trade situations looks like its happening DTs are pretty much standard, incontrol took out the capacity to detect and therefore went for cloaked units. they worked and did a lot of damage. it was an excellent decision Not disputing that it was a good strategy. However incontrol wins more games agaisnt GOOD players with gimmicky play, rather than balanced play. I doubt there is a high rated toss that uses dt's more than him. There is a reason for that.
Just stop. He doesn't do gimmicky play, he does builds and play that punish his opponent. Just like in MLG against TLO, when he built the pylon in TLO's base. You call that gimmicky, I call that punishing the opponent for making a mistake.
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Forcefail by incontrol, how he managed to send his sentrys close enough so the roaches could hit them from behind forcefield on ramp is pretty fail. He could have won the game right there with better micro.
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On May 06 2011 11:05 iuvenalis wrote:
NASL has pauvrement production, worth like 100$, it looks quite poor and I don't like to sound harsh, seriously.
bashing on NASL production is so 2 weeks ago :p
I don't really know about darkforces "flank" if anything hes just helping inc
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getting a bit annoyed with catzpajamas casting. he says stuff that just isnt true. gateways going down left and right seems to be his favourite line, even when gateways arent under attack
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On May 06 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11 Kazang wrote:On May 06 2011 10:59 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 10 Newguy wrote:
very strong play from incontrol, good decision making throughout the game, knowing darkforce had no corrupters his counterattack was extremely effective. Inc was completely outplayed, his macro wasn't even close to Darkforce's. He got back in it because the Protoss ball is sick and he did some DT cheese. Mechanically he was so far behind Darkforce. DT cheese? WTF? That is strategy. Eliminate detection then using cloaked units is a strategy, used in this real time strategy game Mechanically behind? If the zerg doesn't have more units than the toss it is the zerg who's mechanics are lacking, not the other way around. I don't even...... Yeah, the classic get 70 supply behind your opponent, snipe all detection and then spam DT's build. Smart strategy from Inc. No idea why I've never seen MC try it.
So he was way behind and came back to win? Where I come from people are praised for that.
'Oh you were nearly dead and managed to harrass and inch your way back to a decisive win? WHAT A NOOB LOL'
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On May 06 2011 11:10 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:08 Pajegetc wrote:On May 06 2011 11:06 Swede wrote:
How can anyone call 20 minute DTs cheesy or gimmicky? If DTs at that point are cheese, when are they not cheese? The second they are built it becomes cheese apparently. I think they are great to take advantage of a opponent not having any detection. It's pretty standard for people in LR threads to consider any protoss unit that does something gimmicky/abusive.
Yeah, I personally think DTs should be the standard when Zerg put down their third.
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On May 06 2011 11:11 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 11 Kazang wrote:On May 06 2011 10:59 Blasphemi wrote:On May 06 2011 10 Newguy wrote:
very strong play from incontrol, good decision making throughout the game, knowing darkforce had no corrupters his counterattack was extremely effective. Inc was completely outplayed, his macro wasn't even close to Darkforce's. He got back in it because the Protoss ball is sick and he did some DT cheese. Mechanically he was so far behind Darkforce. DT cheese? WTF? That is strategy. Eliminate detection then using cloaked units is a strategy, used in this real time strategy game Mechanically behind? If the zerg doesn't have more units than the toss it is the zerg who's mechanics are lacking, not the other way around. I don't even...... Yeah, the classic get 70 supply behind your opponent, snipe all detection and then spam DT's build. Smart strategy from Inc. No idea why I've never seen MC try it. So he was way behind and came back to win? Where I come from people are praised for that. 'Oh you were nearly dead and managed to harrass and inch your way back to a decisive win? WHAT A NOOB LOL'
He didn't win. But the DT play was pretty good. People claiming that incontrol 'deserved' to win that are being stupid.
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Being 40-50 food ahead is not that meaningful when it's in Roaches. Stalkers are almost twice as expensive as roaches and cost the same food.
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Muta harass incoming from Darkforce
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