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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 06 2011 03:03 realstarcrafter wrote: I guess you can't argue that Anypro has played a good game since he has 2.5k floating mineral on 2 bases even before the baneling attack. And the legion of fan boys are in. Anypro is not a bad player. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 06 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote: that was my point...he went fast stargate play in all 4 games. back that up with terrible micro and macro (2.5k minerals at 78 supply) im just in shock this is the guy that beat july you mean floating minerals when you can't make units out of your stargates because that would be suicide and then having banelings constantly destroying your production facilities over and over again before they can even get up? how unforgiveable | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On May 06 2011 03:04 TheBB wrote: People keep quoting me this awesome deal, but it's bullshit. I've paid for every GSL up to this one, and I can only find time to watch a few select games. I'm not going to keep buying GSL passes just because each of them is "a month of entertainment". I bought NASL too. I guess that's like 3 months of entertainment? So with three GSL's in three months, and the NASL, you can now buy 6 months of entertainment, but to keep up, you have to consume it somehow in 3 months. The city library can offer me YEARS of FREE entertainment, a deal that is, by your reckoning, infinitely better than yours. There is a saturation point, you see. If I leapt on every deal that offered me less than a third of a cent per day of entertainment, I would not be able to move for entertainment. calm down lol I quoted a person that wanted to see the rest of the series, so he has some interest in it. I'm basically saying if you want to see the rest of the series, just pay the $10 fee of a month+ worth of high quality production that people are discussing a lot in teamliquid threads, specifically this very thread that you are reading too. And the library is a good deal. Never said it wasn't, why are you so offended lol. If someone says they want to read a certain book that they can get at the library, I'll just say go to the library and borrow it. If someone has some sort of interest in the GSL series, I'll tell them to buy a GSL pass because $10 to me isn't that much for what GSL is providing imo. I feel the production of GSL is highest of all leagues; great casting duo, being able to watch the games and discuss them and read the threads that pertain to them here in team liquid. Of course I think the GSL is great, and I'm simply stating something opinionated as to say it's worth it for the price to someone who may be interested in it. But if you have no interest in it, then I'm not saying go throw away your money; I'm not persuading you personally so why are you so heated. and your comment about the NASL, I feel like you have to consume more matches and time to keep up than the GSL. I feel like you just trying to make an argument for the sake of it. You complain about not having enough time to watch the GSL but you bought the NASL pass which has more games. You pay $25 for NASL that you apparently don't have time to watch. So you don't pay any $$$ for GSL but pay $25 for something you apparently don't have time for? and you come to a thread discussing about GSL games to say they are not worth paying for when most come here to discuss the games they just saw? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 06 2011 03:04 TheBB wrote: People keep quoting me this awesome deal, but it's bullshit. I've paid for every GSL up to this one, and I can only find time to watch a few select games. I'm not going to keep buying GSL passes just because each of them is "a month of entertainment". I bought NASL too. I guess that's like 3 months of entertainment? So with three GSL's in three months, and the NASL, you can now buy 6 months of entertainment, but to keep up, you have to consume it somehow in 3 months. The city library can offer me YEARS of FREE entertainment, a deal that is, by your reckoning, infinitely better than yours. There is a saturation point, you see. If I leapt on every deal that offered me less than a third of a cent per day of entertainment, I would not be able to move for entertainment. jesus is this post for real? first you say you don't even watch all the matches you pay for and then you say it's not worth it because other stuff is free? wow, that is the most incoherent logical reasoning I've ever read not everything in the world is free, and you know what, GSL is free if you watch it live, deal with it and stop being a baby | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 06 2011 03:03 1Eris1 wrote: Wow dissapointing games. Why the hell did Anypro go stargate in every single game? I mean he knocked July out with a lot of 6 gate stuff, and nestea's never been great vs 6 gates.... terrible micro too. and nada's going to crush inca The aggressive builds that nestea used just destroy 6 gates (or the 7 gates allin that anypro used against july). There's a good chance he wanted to do exactly that in the first set. | ||
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
Poll: Would you recommend game 1 ? NesTea vs anypro I just watched this game and came to this thread, I think this has to be one of those games that go down in SC2 history. I knew creep was waaay to easy to spread compared to BW but Nestea redefined what zerg's can do against static defence and PvZ FE builds.Yes (443) 98% That play by Nestea in Game 1 is the most creative play I have EVER seen in SC2 since it came out! I mean really like Artosis said, why has no one thought about doing this and Nestea did it in a live tournament game, ugh my fear of creep just multiplied  | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:35 ChaseR wrote: I just watched this game and came to this thread, I think this has to be one of those games that go down in SC2 history. I knew creep was waaay to easy to spread compared to BW but Nestea redefined what zerg's can do against static defence and PvZ FE builds. That play by Nestea in Game 1 is the most creative play I have EVER seen in SC2 since it came out! I mean really like Artosis said, why has no one thought about doing this and Nestea did it in a live tournament game, ugh my fear of creep just multiplied People tought, at Funday Monday, but hey, who takes that thing serious lol | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:07 rysecake wrote: And the legion of fan boys are in. Anypro is not a bad player. Obviously he's not a bad player, but he played distinctly not-scary in the 2 games he lost besides the first one. The biggest things that Zergs have trouble with are colossus/voidray and 6/7gate all-ins. Anypro didn't do any of those builds. Anypro did relatively passive Stargate builds that give Zerg a chance to drone up 3 bases with relative ease and play a strong midgame, as well as the chance for attacking the poorly fortified expansion. Obviously they're still good builds, but they gave Nestea a lot more breathing room and available choices than he'd normally have and it wasn't the type of Protoss play that makes Zergs worry. Even with Stargate, if AnyPro hadn't cut corners with defending his natural, we'd have seen completely different games. The one game that AnyPro won was a result of competently defending his natural, and Nestea did those busts exactly because he didn't want to deal with an unmolested Colossus/Voidray buildup. | ||
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Arckan
243 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:07 rysecake wrote: And the legion of fan boys are in. Anypro is not a bad player. I personally feel that the people who preemptively say, "IdrA is just gonna <action> and his legions of fan boys will agree" are more of a nuisance than the actual IdrA fan-boys. Not only do they provide no personal outlook regarding their own view of the situation, they are baiting the people they presumably despise. What is gained from this? | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On May 05 2011 21:19 awesomoecalypse wrote: Inca annoys me because he's a "specialist" in a really horrible mirror matchup. His PvT is nothing to write home about, and his PvZ can be downright lol. But because PvP is so stupid and he has a knack for it, he periodically knocks out Toss I prefer. aside from that... Nestea rules. That Spine push in game 1 was sick. To be fair, being Inca being a 'specialist' is better than being Sangho who is 'nothing' unfortunately since his records are all under 50% except PvZ, which has never been anything unique (beating at best, Zenio and Check, but even losing a game to Jookto). I like Sangho as a person, but his SC2 play has always been completely unremarkable, he can win some games but he is not convincing (similar to Anypro in that sense). | ||
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babylon
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SourD
United States81 Posts
On May 06 2011 00:14 kmh wrote: Anypro only seemed helpless because his style cuts corners. The only reason nestea's spine crawler push worked was that anypro's entire army consisted of one zealot. He was cutting corners to get his stargate out as soon as possible. Nestea crushed his super-greedy play with an unorthodox strategy - even so anypro could have pulled probes to stop the spine crawler that was building inside his vision. The next game we had anypro go for stargates into colossus off two bases, and that is known to be highly vunerable to a hydra-ling bust off two zerg bases. Anypro did nothing to make his transition safe, so he died. He did not even scout - he just parked his air units over the 3rd and reacted in no way at all when nestea did not even try to expand. Next game he played a bit safer and got more cannons, and easily defeated essentially the same all-in. Did anypro learn his lesson? No. He instead doubled down on his forge FE into stargates, and played absolutely horribly. He engaged corruptors with phoenix/void ray while standing over spore crawlers and queens, losing his entire air army for very little gain. It would not have been possible to engineer a worse engagement anywhere on the map - there was no reason for anypro to fight an air army with his army army while standing over their static anti-air defense. After that, he proceeded to float 2600 minerals and losing the game. There is no way for anyone to argue that anypro played this series well. please watch game 1 again. look at the timing of the spines... anypro could not have had more units with that very common forge expand opening... and stargate went up because of the spines.. give some credit to nestea dude.. | ||
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Yannosh
Belgium93 Posts
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Dajibjaw
Canada83 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 06 2011 05:59 Dajibjaw wrote: Anyelse remember idra kinda doing the same thing as nestea in game 1 on steppes of war against a protoss? I might be imagining things. Nevertheless, great games by nestea! It wasn't, it was a slowpush of hydra spines while creeping from his nat. First time was vs huk at MLG (the one idra won) iirc. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On May 06 2011 04:18 Itsmedudeman wrote: you mean floating minerals when you can't make units out of your stargates because that would be suicide and then having banelings constantly destroying your production facilities over and over again before they can even get up? how unforgiveable Err yes, because letting those minerals and gas just sit there is better then producing stargate units? And no, he was floating minerals before july even had banelings. The dude didn't even have warpgate until like 11 minutes into the game. Just face it, he played terribly. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
About game 3, can't really blame Nestea for losing because Crossfire seems really Protoss favored but all in all he showed some really entertaining stuff. That made me quite optimistic about Zerg's future | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
Thankfully, now we'll see Protoss turtle less. | ||
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