July should have known Anypro was going to all in. Anypro simply put isn't that great. Anypro made it clear in the previous games he had absolutely no intention of going into a macro game.
It bugs me how ridiculously hard it is to scout a build like anypro's 5-gate stargate all-in as a zerg, especially combined with the metagame fakeouts one can do along with them. It was a great build from anypro and he took into account those factors to make it as effective as it was, but that doubt still lingers.
Damn it, Anypro beat July... Anypro is so bad too... Just like San, Choya, and HongUn were all bad.
They certainly don't have the "umph" they need to be considered "interesting" or "unique" or "a top player" but they definitely have produced strong results in GSL (well I mean jusy hongun and anypro, with san only recently and i'm not talking about choya xD)
The gomtv website is telling me I don't have the next match reserved, but when I go to buy a season ticket for May, it says I have already bought it? Anyone got any ideas what is going on?
On May 01 2011 22:03 PeggyHill wrote: The gomtv website is telling me I don't have the next match reserved, but when I go to buy a season ticket for May, it says I have already bought it? Anyone got any ideas what is going on?
It's got nothing to do with your account. It just means that the next stream time on schedule hasn't been updated on their websites. You can check when the next broadcast is (about 20 hours) from the TL calendar. When the stream comes up you should be able to watch it.
On April 30 2011 22:07 iamthedave wrote: I should think it's obvious why zerg players are so damn upset, and anyone who's played the race should be able to see.
As a Zerg, it feels like Protoss (can't think of many or any Zergs who complain about Terran these days) have been given absolutely everything and we've got nothing. They can defend better, attack better, scout better, even expand better if they really want to. And these bronze-platinum and diamond level zergs look to pro games to see how Zerg SHOULD be played, and see no hope at all because the exact stuff they're losing too on ladder is beating the pros in major tournaments.
I think the most sensible post in this whole thread was the one noting how FF and Warp Gates give Protoss both attackers AND defenders advantage while negating defenders' advantage.
Yes the whining is annoying. But don't act like it isn't justified. Protoss on the ladder ARE cheesy MFers, and it IS annoying to lose to that over and over even when you scout it. MC's 99% nexus cancel began a new wave of cheese, and guess what? That's frustrating to lose to as well.
As Zerg, we feel like we've been the bottom of the pile forever, having to claw our way upwards against impossible odds and failing miserably.
I just shrug and get on with it, but I can't help but feel like I should just switch to Protoss and learn a few cheeses. That's really depressing IMO.
Does anyone seriously think that's the state of things? The bias in this is so obvious that i can't even begin to comment. I am a low masters Terran player and frankly Zerg feels to me unstoppable if my initial harass fails, but that experience does not justify any logical inductions about the state of the game in general. If the matchup is really broken, it will be fixed eventually, if this is too much for you then stop playing or stop posting this stuff on LR threads. It's becoming annoying as hell
edit: I too feel that warpgates are evil (regarding the state of the game and balance), but constant whining about them on LR does not offer anything
Yes, lots of Zerg think that's the state of things. I think it was on State of the Game when someone asked what they should do to be a pro player, and the first answer (even in jest) was 'Pick Protoss'.
And you're missing the point.
If people don't complain, why would anything be changed? People complain because they hope something is going to be done. And if you look at the upcoming patch notes, why lookie look, Blizzard are doing something to warp gates.
I'm not saying people are making logical deductions, I'm saying it's understandable why Zerg players are upset and why it's ridiculous to just rule it out as baseless whining. It very clearly isn't baseless. It is being exagerrated, though, as plenty of Zergs are getting into the semis and finals of tourneys if they aren't winning.
Z v T I think is balanced now. Terran have a great early game, Zerg have a great mid game, and late game is about equal if the Terran uses drop tech to its best.
P v everything seems unbalanced to me in various ways. But it seems fundamentally imbalanced that Protoss can just say 'my unit production is in the middle of yours right now' for the cost of 100 minerals, without ever threatening their actual unit production facilities. I'm not QQing or whining, it just seems like a fundamentally broken mechanic in a genre where the distance between unit production and where the fights take place is so critical. It won't change because the game would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, but I hope the other races get something in the upcoming expansions to help offset this.
I don't see any 'give and take' in warp gates. They're just plain better than every comparable structure in the game (due to pylon warp-in).
There's a difference between legitimate complaints and whining, the majority of the "protoss imba" goes into the "whining" category. And just as the Sotg guys said, the community keeps appealing to Blizz for changes instead of trying to develop something themselves. Protoss used to whine all day about mutas in PvZ and what happened? They developed a timing that hit before mutas.
What happened was they gave stalkers an additional 2 damage and gave phoenix move shot, which falls under the changing the game category XD
On April 30 2011 22:07 iamthedave wrote: I should think it's obvious why zerg players are so damn upset, and anyone who's played the race should be able to see.
As a Zerg, it feels like Protoss (can't think of many or any Zergs who complain about Terran these days) have been given absolutely everything and we've got nothing. They can defend better, attack better, scout better, even expand better if they really want to. And these bronze-platinum and diamond level zergs look to pro games to see how Zerg SHOULD be played, and see no hope at all because the exact stuff they're losing too on ladder is beating the pros in major tournaments.
I think the most sensible post in this whole thread was the one noting how FF and Warp Gates give Protoss both attackers AND defenders advantage while negating defenders' advantage.
Yes the whining is annoying. But don't act like it isn't justified. Protoss on the ladder ARE cheesy MFers, and it IS annoying to lose to that over and over even when you scout it. MC's 99% nexus cancel began a new wave of cheese, and guess what? That's frustrating to lose to as well.
As Zerg, we feel like we've been the bottom of the pile forever, having to claw our way upwards against impossible odds and failing miserably.
I just shrug and get on with it, but I can't help but feel like I should just switch to Protoss and learn a few cheeses. That's really depressing IMO.
Does anyone seriously think that's the state of things? The bias in this is so obvious that i can't even begin to comment. I am a low masters Terran player and frankly Zerg feels to me unstoppable if my initial harass fails, but that experience does not justify any logical inductions about the state of the game in general. If the matchup is really broken, it will be fixed eventually, if this is too much for you then stop playing or stop posting this stuff on LR threads. It's becoming annoying as hell
edit: I too feel that warpgates are evil (regarding the state of the game and balance), but constant whining about them on LR does not offer anything
Yes, lots of Zerg think that's the state of things. I think it was on State of the Game when someone asked what they should do to be a pro player, and the first answer (even in jest) was 'Pick Protoss'.
And you're missing the point.
If people don't complain, why would anything be changed? People complain because they hope something is going to be done. And if you look at the upcoming patch notes, why lookie look, Blizzard are doing something to warp gates.
I'm not saying people are making logical deductions, I'm saying it's understandable why Zerg players are upset and why it's ridiculous to just rule it out as baseless whining. It very clearly isn't baseless. It is being exagerrated, though, as plenty of Zergs are getting into the semis and finals of tourneys if they aren't winning.
Z v T I think is balanced now. Terran have a great early game, Zerg have a great mid game, and late game is about equal if the Terran uses drop tech to its best.
P v everything seems unbalanced to me in various ways. But it seems fundamentally imbalanced that Protoss can just say 'my unit production is in the middle of yours right now' for the cost of 100 minerals, without ever threatening their actual unit production facilities. I'm not QQing or whining, it just seems like a fundamentally broken mechanic in a genre where the distance between unit production and where the fights take place is so critical. It won't change because the game would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, but I hope the other races get something in the upcoming expansions to help offset this.
I don't see any 'give and take' in warp gates. They're just plain better than every comparable structure in the game (due to pylon warp-in).
There's a difference between legitimate complaints and whining, the majority of the "protoss imba" goes into the "whining" category. And just as the Sotg guys said, the community keeps appealing to Blizz for changes instead of trying to develop something themselves. Protoss used to whine all day about mutas in PvZ and what happened? They developed a timing that hit before mutas.
What happened was they gave stalkers an additional 2 damage and gave phoenix move shot, which falls under the changing the game category XD
Stalkers are Toss's really only anti air ground unit in the game. They where piles of shit. The phoenix move shot was added beacuse they where a crazy and weak fast unit but had to stop completely to attack? Those where clear balance changes
Terran and zergs have always been whiny about balance. Terran always thinking they are imba and zergs thinking they are underpowered. Toss just chills and wins.
Age of protoss is still here. Anypro might not be complete shit like we all thought.
On April 30 2011 22:07 iamthedave wrote: I should think it's obvious why zerg players are so damn upset, and anyone who's played the race should be able to see.
As a Zerg, it feels like Protoss (can't think of many or any Zergs who complain about Terran these days) have been given absolutely everything and we've got nothing. They can defend better, attack better, scout better, even expand better if they really want to. And these bronze-platinum and diamond level zergs look to pro games to see how Zerg SHOULD be played, and see no hope at all because the exact stuff they're losing too on ladder is beating the pros in major tournaments.
I think the most sensible post in this whole thread was the one noting how FF and Warp Gates give Protoss both attackers AND defenders advantage while negating defenders' advantage.
Yes the whining is annoying. But don't act like it isn't justified. Protoss on the ladder ARE cheesy MFers, and it IS annoying to lose to that over and over even when you scout it. MC's 99% nexus cancel began a new wave of cheese, and guess what? That's frustrating to lose to as well.
As Zerg, we feel like we've been the bottom of the pile forever, having to claw our way upwards against impossible odds and failing miserably.
I just shrug and get on with it, but I can't help but feel like I should just switch to Protoss and learn a few cheeses. That's really depressing IMO.
Does anyone seriously think that's the state of things? The bias in this is so obvious that i can't even begin to comment. I am a low masters Terran player and frankly Zerg feels to me unstoppable if my initial harass fails, but that experience does not justify any logical inductions about the state of the game in general. If the matchup is really broken, it will be fixed eventually, if this is too much for you then stop playing or stop posting this stuff on LR threads. It's becoming annoying as hell
edit: I too feel that warpgates are evil (regarding the state of the game and balance), but constant whining about them on LR does not offer anything
Yes, lots of Zerg think that's the state of things. I think it was on State of the Game when someone asked what they should do to be a pro player, and the first answer (even in jest) was 'Pick Protoss'.
And you're missing the point.
If people don't complain, why would anything be changed? People complain because they hope something is going to be done. And if you look at the upcoming patch notes, why lookie look, Blizzard are doing something to warp gates.
I'm not saying people are making logical deductions, I'm saying it's understandable why Zerg players are upset and why it's ridiculous to just rule it out as baseless whining. It very clearly isn't baseless. It is being exagerrated, though, as plenty of Zergs are getting into the semis and finals of tourneys if they aren't winning.
Z v T I think is balanced now. Terran have a great early game, Zerg have a great mid game, and late game is about equal if the Terran uses drop tech to its best.
P v everything seems unbalanced to me in various ways. But it seems fundamentally imbalanced that Protoss can just say 'my unit production is in the middle of yours right now' for the cost of 100 minerals, without ever threatening their actual unit production facilities. I'm not QQing or whining, it just seems like a fundamentally broken mechanic in a genre where the distance between unit production and where the fights take place is so critical. It won't change because the game would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, but I hope the other races get something in the upcoming expansions to help offset this.
I don't see any 'give and take' in warp gates. They're just plain better than every comparable structure in the game (due to pylon warp-in).
There's a difference between legitimate complaints and whining, the majority of the "protoss imba" goes into the "whining" category. And just as the Sotg guys said, the community keeps appealing to Blizz for changes instead of trying to develop something themselves. Protoss used to whine all day about mutas in PvZ and what happened? They developed a timing that hit before mutas.
What happened was they gave stalkers an additional 2 damage and gave phoenix move shot, which falls under the changing the game category XD
Stalkers are Toss's really only anti air ground unit in the game. They where piles of shit. The phoenix move shot was added beacuse they where a crazy and weak fast unit but had to stop completely to attack? Those where clear balance changes
Terran and zergs have always been whiny about balance. Terran always thinking they are imba and zergs thinking they are underpowered. Toss just chills and wins.
Age of protoss is still here. Anypro might not be complete shit like we all thought.
I'm not arguing the changes, I'm just pointed out that Protoss QQ about mutas was indeed remedied by patching and not by some "pre muta timing" that the guy suggests
On April 30 2011 22:07 iamthedave wrote: I should think it's obvious why zerg players are so damn upset, and anyone who's played the race should be able to see.
As a Zerg, it feels like Protoss (can't think of many or any Zergs who complain about Terran these days) have been given absolutely everything and we've got nothing. They can defend better, attack better, scout better, even expand better if they really want to. And these bronze-platinum and diamond level zergs look to pro games to see how Zerg SHOULD be played, and see no hope at all because the exact stuff they're losing too on ladder is beating the pros in major tournaments.
I think the most sensible post in this whole thread was the one noting how FF and Warp Gates give Protoss both attackers AND defenders advantage while negating defenders' advantage.
Yes the whining is annoying. But don't act like it isn't justified. Protoss on the ladder ARE cheesy MFers, and it IS annoying to lose to that over and over even when you scout it. MC's 99% nexus cancel began a new wave of cheese, and guess what? That's frustrating to lose to as well.
As Zerg, we feel like we've been the bottom of the pile forever, having to claw our way upwards against impossible odds and failing miserably.
I just shrug and get on with it, but I can't help but feel like I should just switch to Protoss and learn a few cheeses. That's really depressing IMO.
Does anyone seriously think that's the state of things? The bias in this is so obvious that i can't even begin to comment. I am a low masters Terran player and frankly Zerg feels to me unstoppable if my initial harass fails, but that experience does not justify any logical inductions about the state of the game in general. If the matchup is really broken, it will be fixed eventually, if this is too much for you then stop playing or stop posting this stuff on LR threads. It's becoming annoying as hell
edit: I too feel that warpgates are evil (regarding the state of the game and balance), but constant whining about them on LR does not offer anything
Yes, lots of Zerg think that's the state of things. I think it was on State of the Game when someone asked what they should do to be a pro player, and the first answer (even in jest) was 'Pick Protoss'.
And you're missing the point.
If people don't complain, why would anything be changed? People complain because they hope something is going to be done. And if you look at the upcoming patch notes, why lookie look, Blizzard are doing something to warp gates.
I'm not saying people are making logical deductions, I'm saying it's understandable why Zerg players are upset and why it's ridiculous to just rule it out as baseless whining. It very clearly isn't baseless. It is being exagerrated, though, as plenty of Zergs are getting into the semis and finals of tourneys if they aren't winning.
Z v T I think is balanced now. Terran have a great early game, Zerg have a great mid game, and late game is about equal if the Terran uses drop tech to its best.
P v everything seems unbalanced to me in various ways. But it seems fundamentally imbalanced that Protoss can just say 'my unit production is in the middle of yours right now' for the cost of 100 minerals, without ever threatening their actual unit production facilities. I'm not QQing or whining, it just seems like a fundamentally broken mechanic in a genre where the distance between unit production and where the fights take place is so critical. It won't change because the game would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, but I hope the other races get something in the upcoming expansions to help offset this.
I don't see any 'give and take' in warp gates. They're just plain better than every comparable structure in the game (due to pylon warp-in).
There's a difference between legitimate complaints and whining, the majority of the "protoss imba" goes into the "whining" category. And just as the Sotg guys said, the community keeps appealing to Blizz for changes instead of trying to develop something themselves. Protoss used to whine all day about mutas in PvZ and what happened? They developed a timing that hit before mutas.
What happened was they gave stalkers an additional 2 damage and gave phoenix move shot, which falls under the changing the game category XD
Stalkers are Toss's really only anti air ground unit in the game. They where piles of shit. The phoenix move shot was added beacuse they where a crazy and weak fast unit but had to stop completely to attack? Those where clear balance changes
Terran and zergs have always been whiny about balance. Terran always thinking they are imba and zergs thinking they are underpowered. Toss just chills and wins.
Age of protoss is still here. Anypro might not be complete shit like we all thought.
I'm not arguing the changes, I'm just pointed out that Protoss QQ about mutas was indeed remedied by patching and not by some "pre muta timing" that the guy suggests
Those are beta changes. Protoss were complaining about mutas long after release.
But it is ridiculous to claim that only terrans and zergs complain about balance and protoss just 'chills', el oh el. I'd like everyone to rewind just a few months when protoss wasn't winning shit, they couldn't get more than 3 or 4 players into the GSL Ro16 and every protoss and his mother was convinced that it was just that protoss was underpowered, too rigid, gateway units were useless shit, terrans just had to make marauders all game and lol all over any toss...
I didn't imagine that shit. It happened, and it was BORING AS FUCK.
On April 30 2011 22:07 iamthedave wrote: I should think it's obvious why zerg players are so damn upset, and anyone who's played the race should be able to see.
As a Zerg, it feels like Protoss (can't think of many or any Zergs who complain about Terran these days) have been given absolutely everything and we've got nothing. They can defend better, attack better, scout better, even expand better if they really want to. And these bronze-platinum and diamond level zergs look to pro games to see how Zerg SHOULD be played, and see no hope at all because the exact stuff they're losing too on ladder is beating the pros in major tournaments.
I think the most sensible post in this whole thread was the one noting how FF and Warp Gates give Protoss both attackers AND defenders advantage while negating defenders' advantage.
Yes the whining is annoying. But don't act like it isn't justified. Protoss on the ladder ARE cheesy MFers, and it IS annoying to lose to that over and over even when you scout it. MC's 99% nexus cancel began a new wave of cheese, and guess what? That's frustrating to lose to as well.
As Zerg, we feel like we've been the bottom of the pile forever, having to claw our way upwards against impossible odds and failing miserably.
I just shrug and get on with it, but I can't help but feel like I should just switch to Protoss and learn a few cheeses. That's really depressing IMO.
Does anyone seriously think that's the state of things? The bias in this is so obvious that i can't even begin to comment. I am a low masters Terran player and frankly Zerg feels to me unstoppable if my initial harass fails, but that experience does not justify any logical inductions about the state of the game in general. If the matchup is really broken, it will be fixed eventually, if this is too much for you then stop playing or stop posting this stuff on LR threads. It's becoming annoying as hell
edit: I too feel that warpgates are evil (regarding the state of the game and balance), but constant whining about them on LR does not offer anything
Yes, lots of Zerg think that's the state of things. I think it was on State of the Game when someone asked what they should do to be a pro player, and the first answer (even in jest) was 'Pick Protoss'.
And you're missing the point.
If people don't complain, why would anything be changed? People complain because they hope something is going to be done. And if you look at the upcoming patch notes, why lookie look, Blizzard are doing something to warp gates.
I'm not saying people are making logical deductions, I'm saying it's understandable why Zerg players are upset and why it's ridiculous to just rule it out as baseless whining. It very clearly isn't baseless. It is being exagerrated, though, as plenty of Zergs are getting into the semis and finals of tourneys if they aren't winning.
Z v T I think is balanced now. Terran have a great early game, Zerg have a great mid game, and late game is about equal if the Terran uses drop tech to its best.
P v everything seems unbalanced to me in various ways. But it seems fundamentally imbalanced that Protoss can just say 'my unit production is in the middle of yours right now' for the cost of 100 minerals, without ever threatening their actual unit production facilities. I'm not QQing or whining, it just seems like a fundamentally broken mechanic in a genre where the distance between unit production and where the fights take place is so critical. It won't change because the game would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, but I hope the other races get something in the upcoming expansions to help offset this.
I don't see any 'give and take' in warp gates. They're just plain better than every comparable structure in the game (due to pylon warp-in).
There's a difference between legitimate complaints and whining, the majority of the "protoss imba" goes into the "whining" category. And just as the Sotg guys said, the community keeps appealing to Blizz for changes instead of trying to develop something themselves. Protoss used to whine all day about mutas in PvZ and what happened? They developed a timing that hit before mutas.
What happened was they gave stalkers an additional 2 damage and gave phoenix move shot, which falls under the changing the game category XD
Yet Protoss still had trouble with mutas, and that trouble continued until the 2 base anti muta timings like 6 gate were discovered. Blizzard did not patch mutaling away, it was made obsolete by Protoss innovation.
Stalkers are Toss's really only anti air ground unit in the game. They where piles of shit. The phoenix move shot was added beacuse they where a crazy and weak fast unit but had to stop completely to attack? Those where clear balance changes
Terran and zergs have always been whiny about balance. Terran always thinking they are imba and zergs thinking they are underpowered. Toss just chills and wins.
Age of protoss is still here. Anypro might not be complete shit like we all thought.
I'm not arguing the changes, I'm just pointed out that Protoss QQ about mutas was indeed remedied by patching and not by some "pre muta timing" that the guy suggests
On May 01 2011 13:49 SEANSYE wrote: Damn it, Anypro beat July... Anypro is so bad too... Just like San, Choya, and HongUn were all bad.
Pray tell, who is the second-best GSL protoss, then? If not HongUn (who's been in every single GSL to date and has an Ro4) then who? Or is every protoss other than MC a noob?
On May 01 2011 13:49 SEANSYE wrote: Damn it, Anypro beat July... Anypro is so bad too... Just like San, Choya, and HongUn were all bad.
Pray tell, who is the second-best GSL protoss, then? If not HongUn (who's been in every single GSL to date) then who? Or is every protoss other than MC a noob?
It is odd that these 'second rate' protoss, as in all the protoss less good than MC, are treated as if they are garbage when they continually put up results.
On April 30 2011 22:07 iamthedave wrote: I should think it's obvious why zerg players are so damn upset, and anyone who's played the race should be able to see.
As a Zerg, it feels like Protoss (can't think of many or any Zergs who complain about Terran these days) have been given absolutely everything and we've got nothing. They can defend better, attack better, scout better, even expand better if they really want to. And these bronze-platinum and diamond level zergs look to pro games to see how Zerg SHOULD be played, and see no hope at all because the exact stuff they're losing too on ladder is beating the pros in major tournaments.
I think the most sensible post in this whole thread was the one noting how FF and Warp Gates give Protoss both attackers AND defenders advantage while negating defenders' advantage.
Yes the whining is annoying. But don't act like it isn't justified. Protoss on the ladder ARE cheesy MFers, and it IS annoying to lose to that over and over even when you scout it. MC's 99% nexus cancel began a new wave of cheese, and guess what? That's frustrating to lose to as well.
As Zerg, we feel like we've been the bottom of the pile forever, having to claw our way upwards against impossible odds and failing miserably.
I just shrug and get on with it, but I can't help but feel like I should just switch to Protoss and learn a few cheeses. That's really depressing IMO.
Does anyone seriously think that's the state of things? The bias in this is so obvious that i can't even begin to comment. I am a low masters Terran player and frankly Zerg feels to me unstoppable if my initial harass fails, but that experience does not justify any logical inductions about the state of the game in general. If the matchup is really broken, it will be fixed eventually, if this is too much for you then stop playing or stop posting this stuff on LR threads. It's becoming annoying as hell
edit: I too feel that warpgates are evil (regarding the state of the game and balance), but constant whining about them on LR does not offer anything
Yes, lots of Zerg think that's the state of things. I think it was on State of the Game when someone asked what they should do to be a pro player, and the first answer (even in jest) was 'Pick Protoss'.
And you're missing the point.
If people don't complain, why would anything be changed? People complain because they hope something is going to be done. And if you look at the upcoming patch notes, why lookie look, Blizzard are doing something to warp gates.
I'm not saying people are making logical deductions, I'm saying it's understandable why Zerg players are upset and why it's ridiculous to just rule it out as baseless whining. It very clearly isn't baseless. It is being exagerrated, though, as plenty of Zergs are getting into the semis and finals of tourneys if they aren't winning.
Z v T I think is balanced now. Terran have a great early game, Zerg have a great mid game, and late game is about equal if the Terran uses drop tech to its best.
P v everything seems unbalanced to me in various ways. But it seems fundamentally imbalanced that Protoss can just say 'my unit production is in the middle of yours right now' for the cost of 100 minerals, without ever threatening their actual unit production facilities. I'm not QQing or whining, it just seems like a fundamentally broken mechanic in a genre where the distance between unit production and where the fights take place is so critical. It won't change because the game would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, but I hope the other races get something in the upcoming expansions to help offset this.
I don't see any 'give and take' in warp gates. They're just plain better than every comparable structure in the game (due to pylon warp-in).
There's a difference between legitimate complaints and whining, the majority of the "protoss imba" goes into the "whining" category. And just as the Sotg guys said, the community keeps appealing to Blizz for changes instead of trying to develop something themselves. Protoss used to whine all day about mutas in PvZ and what happened? They developed a timing that hit before mutas.
What happened was they gave stalkers an additional 2 damage and gave phoenix move shot, which falls under the changing the game category XD
Stalkers are Toss's really only anti air ground unit in the game. They where piles of shit. The phoenix move shot was added beacuse they where a crazy and weak fast unit but had to stop completely to attack? Those where clear balance changes
Terran and zergs have always been whiny about balance. Terran always thinking they are imba and zergs thinking they are underpowered. Toss just chills and wins.
Age of protoss is still here. Anypro might not be complete shit like we all thought.
I'm not arguing the changes, I'm just pointed out that Protoss QQ about mutas was indeed remedied by patching and not by some "pre muta timing" that the guy suggests
Those are beta changes. Protoss were complaining about mutas long after release.
But it is ridiculous to claim that only terrans and zergs complain about balance and protoss just 'chills', el oh el. I'd like everyone to rewind just a few months when protoss wasn't winning shit, they couldn't get more than 3 or 4 players into the GSL Ro16 and every protoss and his mother was convinced that it was just that protoss was underpowered, too rigid, gateway units were useless shit, terrans just had to make marauders all game and lol all over any toss...
I didn't imagine that shit. It happened, and it was BORING AS FUCK.
This was largely though because of Terrans and them winning ridiculous numbers of games just on stim timing rushes on tiny maps. And Terrans have been nerfed to hell. In such a heavy Terran tournament with what the state of the game was back then, Protoss was probably underpowered.
When Nestea went over to fruitdealers booth after the games and they were chatting and having a great time. Awwwwwww A tear started to form! This is why those 2 zergs are some of the best in the world.
EPT
