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Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#701
On April 25 2011 11:46 emecee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote:
This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.

umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?

...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.

I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.



um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost.
hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units

pretty sure this is wrong


Actually, they lose because they have low health. For sure they have greater DPS, but other units are required to soak up damage
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#702
Hopefully the lag lets up before the Idra round starts.

Here's to hoping.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#703
Loved khaldor then <3
Aequos
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada606 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:53:52
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#704
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote:
This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.

umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?

...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.

I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.



um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost.
hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units

Wait what? Stalkers and Hydras trade 1 for 1 against each other, and Stalkers cost more. I'm certain people have tested this, the Stalkers win with Blink and good handspeed, but the Hydras win if they're on creep and can get the concave quicker, and have a smaller hitbox for forming concaves.

I'm certain that Stalkers and Hydras are nearly equal, the attack speed of a Hydra is about twice that of a Stalker (meaning the Hydra attacks twice when the Stalker attacks once), the damages are pretty close, with the Hydra being higher, and the Stalker has twice the health of the Hydra.

Edit: On that note - If you're comparing pure Hydra versus Gateway units, lets compare pure Colossus versus Marine/Marauder - oh wait, the Colossi get slaughtered because they need meat shields in order to not die instantly. Take some of these comparisons with a grain of salt, it's obviously not just pure Hydras are excellent.
I first realized Immortals were reincarnated Dragoons when I saw them dancing helplessly behind my Stalkers.
typingit
Profile Joined November 2010
97 Posts
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#705
I regret giving them $25.
Gryzzly
Profile Joined September 2010
United States19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:50:35
April 25 2011 02:50 GMT
#706
Oops, wrong tourny
Thank you for helping us help you help us all. - GLaDOS
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
April 25 2011 02:50 GMT
#707
On April 25 2011 11:48 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:28 openbox1 wrote:
I don't get it. Everyone is saying don't be critical etc... but it really is amateur hour.
Sound is terrible, video is laggy, battles always choppy, games are shown out of order, map pool is screwy, missed games, cancelled games, hostile chats etc...

Can you think of any other tourney with so much problems?
MLG had some problems with Bnet but that was beyond their control.

Everything within the control of the NASL guys has been screwed up hardcore.
Its just incompetence at every level.


That seems pretty exaggerated. The sound is miles better today, even in the laggy series; no battles were choppy in the first series today or yesterday or the day before that; only one game was shown out of order; and the map pool is being fixed asap, they're waiting on team responses.

As for missed and cancelled games: the series going on right now is a great example of how they're now addressing that. The chats are hostile because almost all chats are hostile these days, it's the internet.


Are you seriously telling me you are satisfied with the performance of the NASL organizers? Sound? You're telling me an organization has no idea how to stream Khaldor so that he doesn't sound like he's in a wind tunnel (please don't blame Skype, they can very well think of an alternative voice streaming method, I'm sure TSL casters are not in the studio either). I've heard of setting the bar low, but come on...

I don't see so much hate on TSL/GSL chats.
And to no battles are choppy... are u reading the posts here?


Yeah, I'm telling you that. Fuck you go make your own starleague and stop hating on 5 hours of free content a day.

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nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
April 25 2011 02:50 GMT
#708
Why did the stream stop after manas first game?
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:50:31
April 25 2011 02:50 GMT
#709
Hahahahaha.
*khaldor drops*
Gretorp: *sigh* Khaldor.... what a failiure.
Khaldor: That's what my mom told me my whole life.
I love making "awkward" jokes just like this ^^. By the way why isn't Incontrol casting this? I don't see him playing in any of these games, what made him not cast?
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:57:26
April 25 2011 02:50 GMT
#710
edit: I'm mistake
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
reptile
Profile Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
April 25 2011 02:51 GMT
#711
On April 25 2011 11:50 Dental Floss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:48 openbox1 wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:28 openbox1 wrote:
I don't get it. Everyone is saying don't be critical etc... but it really is amateur hour.
Sound is terrible, video is laggy, battles always choppy, games are shown out of order, map pool is screwy, missed games, cancelled games, hostile chats etc...

Can you think of any other tourney with so much problems?
MLG had some problems with Bnet but that was beyond their control.

Everything within the control of the NASL guys has been screwed up hardcore.
Its just incompetence at every level.


That seems pretty exaggerated. The sound is miles better today, even in the laggy series; no battles were choppy in the first series today or yesterday or the day before that; only one game was shown out of order; and the map pool is being fixed asap, they're waiting on team responses.

As for missed and cancelled games: the series going on right now is a great example of how they're now addressing that. The chats are hostile because almost all chats are hostile these days, it's the internet.


Are you seriously telling me you are satisfied with the performance of the NASL organizers? Sound? You're telling me an organization has no idea how to stream Khaldor so that he doesn't sound like he's in a wind tunnel (please don't blame Skype, they can very well think of an alternative voice streaming method, I'm sure TSL casters are not in the studio either). I've heard of setting the bar low, but come on...

I don't see so much hate on TSL/GSL chats.
And to no battles are choppy... are u reading the posts here?


Yeah, I'm telling you that. Fuck you go make your own starleague and stop hating on 5 hours of free content a day.


So far it's 5 hours of slide shows. Don't defend them, constructive criticism is important. Clearly there are issues that need to be addressed. Deal with it.
"When the game is over, the King and the Pawn go back in the same box."
MUFFINS1
Profile Joined March 2011
United States533 Posts
April 25 2011 02:51 GMT
#712
Zerg is never favored in PvZ
hi
MUFFINS1
Profile Joined March 2011
United States533 Posts
April 25 2011 02:51 GMT
#713
please stream get better before the Boxer match
hi
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
April 25 2011 02:51 GMT
#714
gretorp is casting well. high quality & knowledge. Anyway HD is entertaining, like him also
21 is half the truth
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:52:55
April 25 2011 02:52 GMT
#715
On April 25 2011 11:48 openbox1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:28 openbox1 wrote:
I don't get it. Everyone is saying don't be critical etc... but it really is amateur hour.
Sound is terrible, video is laggy, battles always choppy, games are shown out of order, map pool is screwy, missed games, cancelled games, hostile chats etc...

Can you think of any other tourney with so much problems?
MLG had some problems with Bnet but that was beyond their control.

Everything within the control of the NASL guys has been screwed up hardcore.
Its just incompetence at every level.


That seems pretty exaggerated. The sound is miles better today, even in the laggy series; no battles were choppy in the first series today or yesterday or the day before that; only one game was shown out of order; and the map pool is being fixed asap, they're waiting on team responses.

As for missed and cancelled games: the series going on right now is a great example of how they're now addressing that. The chats are hostile because almost all chats are hostile these days, it's the internet.


Are you seriously telling me you are satisfied with the performance of the NASL organizers? Sound? You're telling me an organization has no idea how to stream Khaldor so that he doesn't sound like he's in a wind tunnel (please don't blame Skype, they can very well think of an alternative voice streaming method, I'm sure TSL casters are not in the studio either). I've heard of setting the bar low, but come on...

I don't see so much hate on TSL/GSL chats.
And to no battles are choppy... are u reading the posts here?


I am satisfied with their performance because they are demonstrating an ability to adapt to problems they face. The Khaldor issue was before the sound person came in to work with them, since it was recorded earlier than the rest of the matches; the Gretorp/iNcontrol sound in the first two series was fantastic.

Were you there when TSL was lagging/crashed? They instantly compared it to MLG as a disaster of epic proportions. And I specifically said no battles were choppy before the second series today, or the day before, or any other time that I remember; this seems to be a new issue, but they're doing their utmost to address it, that's why the stream is going down.

And GSL season one got hated on mercilessly as well.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
April 25 2011 02:52 GMT
#716
what the hell is wrong with the stream.
i live on a college campus and my internet is pretty shitty sometimes so im always paranoid about whether is me or the stream.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:52:59
April 25 2011 02:52 GMT
#717
seems like there's going to be temporary lags for the entire broadcast today which is a shame

they've had plenty of other days where the stream was smooth for almost the entire cast, so hope they figure out what was causing the lag issue for today but I don't think they'll have it figured out before today's broadcast is done.
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
April 25 2011 02:52 GMT
#718
On April 25 2011 11:52 Condor Hero wrote:
what the hell is wrong with the stream.
i live on a college campus and my internet is pretty shitty sometimes so im always paranoid about whether is me or the stream.

it's not you, don't worry
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
April 25 2011 02:52 GMT
#719
On April 25 2011 11:44 Rhyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote:
This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.

umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?

...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.

I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.



um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost.
hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units


um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?

no, you're just wrong. Think of it like if Hydras were Collosus... straight up a Collosus will lose to 2 Marauders... but if you have Stalkers keeping Marauders away from you're Collosus, then the Collosus can dish out serious DPS. Same applies to Hydras, they need something to keep them out of range and protect them; Hydras do have 6 range ofc, longer than all Gateway units.
MKP||TSL
Mephyss
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Brazil128 Posts
April 25 2011 02:52 GMT
#720
On April 25 2011 11:50 Pandain wrote:
By the way why isn't Incontrol casting this? I don't see him playing in any of these games, what made him not cast?

Probably they are recording this in the morning because of the Korean player and IinControl was probably not available at that time
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