Actually, they lose because they have low health. For sure they have greater DPS, but other units are required to soak up damage

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Z3kk
4099 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:46 emecee wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote: On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote: On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote: On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote: This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble. umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game? ...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras. I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi. um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost. hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units pretty sure this is wrong Actually, they lose because they have low health. For sure they have greater DPS, but other units are required to soak up damage ![]() | ||
On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Here's to hoping. | ||
Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Aequos
Canada606 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote: On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote: On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote: This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble. umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game? ...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras. I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi. um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost. hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units Wait what? Stalkers and Hydras trade 1 for 1 against each other, and Stalkers cost more. I'm certain people have tested this, the Stalkers win with Blink and good handspeed, but the Hydras win if they're on creep and can get the concave quicker, and have a smaller hitbox for forming concaves. I'm certain that Stalkers and Hydras are nearly equal, the attack speed of a Hydra is about twice that of a Stalker (meaning the Hydra attacks twice when the Stalker attacks once), the damages are pretty close, with the Hydra being higher, and the Stalker has twice the health of the Hydra. Edit: On that note - If you're comparing pure Hydra versus Gateway units, lets compare pure Colossus versus Marine/Marauder - oh wait, the Colossi get slaughtered because they need meat shields in order to not die instantly. Take some of these comparisons with a grain of salt, it's obviously not just pure Hydras are excellent. | ||
typingit
97 Posts
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Gryzzly
United States19 Posts
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:48 openbox1 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2011 11:33 TheTenthDoc wrote: On April 25 2011 11:28 openbox1 wrote: I don't get it. Everyone is saying don't be critical etc... but it really is amateur hour. Sound is terrible, video is laggy, battles always choppy, games are shown out of order, map pool is screwy, missed games, cancelled games, hostile chats etc... Can you think of any other tourney with so much problems? MLG had some problems with Bnet but that was beyond their control. Everything within the control of the NASL guys has been screwed up hardcore. Its just incompetence at every level. That seems pretty exaggerated. The sound is miles better today, even in the laggy series; no battles were choppy in the first series today or yesterday or the day before that; only one game was shown out of order; and the map pool is being fixed asap, they're waiting on team responses. As for missed and cancelled games: the series going on right now is a great example of how they're now addressing that. The chats are hostile because almost all chats are hostile these days, it's the internet. Are you seriously telling me you are satisfied with the performance of the NASL organizers? Sound? You're telling me an organization has no idea how to stream Khaldor so that he doesn't sound like he's in a wind tunnel (please don't blame Skype, they can very well think of an alternative voice streaming method, I'm sure TSL casters are not in the studio either). I've heard of setting the bar low, but come on... I don't see so much hate on TSL/GSL chats. And to no battles are choppy... are u reading the posts here? Yeah, I'm telling you that. Fuck you go make your own starleague and stop hating on 5 hours of free content a day. User was warned for this post | ||
nitram
Canada5412 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
*khaldor drops* Gretorp: *sigh* Khaldor.... what a failiure. Khaldor: That's what my mom told me my whole life. I love making "awkward" jokes just like this ^^. By the way why isn't Incontrol casting this? I don't see him playing in any of these games, what made him not cast? | ||
MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
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reptile
United States210 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:50 Dental Floss wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2011 11:48 openbox1 wrote: On April 25 2011 11:33 TheTenthDoc wrote: On April 25 2011 11:28 openbox1 wrote: I don't get it. Everyone is saying don't be critical etc... but it really is amateur hour. Sound is terrible, video is laggy, battles always choppy, games are shown out of order, map pool is screwy, missed games, cancelled games, hostile chats etc... Can you think of any other tourney with so much problems? MLG had some problems with Bnet but that was beyond their control. Everything within the control of the NASL guys has been screwed up hardcore. Its just incompetence at every level. That seems pretty exaggerated. The sound is miles better today, even in the laggy series; no battles were choppy in the first series today or yesterday or the day before that; only one game was shown out of order; and the map pool is being fixed asap, they're waiting on team responses. As for missed and cancelled games: the series going on right now is a great example of how they're now addressing that. The chats are hostile because almost all chats are hostile these days, it's the internet. Are you seriously telling me you are satisfied with the performance of the NASL organizers? Sound? You're telling me an organization has no idea how to stream Khaldor so that he doesn't sound like he's in a wind tunnel (please don't blame Skype, they can very well think of an alternative voice streaming method, I'm sure TSL casters are not in the studio either). I've heard of setting the bar low, but come on... I don't see so much hate on TSL/GSL chats. And to no battles are choppy... are u reading the posts here? Yeah, I'm telling you that. Fuck you go make your own starleague and stop hating on 5 hours of free content a day. So far it's 5 hours of slide shows. Don't defend them, constructive criticism is important. Clearly there are issues that need to be addressed. Deal with it. | ||
MUFFINS1
United States533 Posts
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MUFFINS1
United States533 Posts
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:48 openbox1 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2011 11:33 TheTenthDoc wrote: On April 25 2011 11:28 openbox1 wrote: I don't get it. Everyone is saying don't be critical etc... but it really is amateur hour. Sound is terrible, video is laggy, battles always choppy, games are shown out of order, map pool is screwy, missed games, cancelled games, hostile chats etc... Can you think of any other tourney with so much problems? MLG had some problems with Bnet but that was beyond their control. Everything within the control of the NASL guys has been screwed up hardcore. Its just incompetence at every level. That seems pretty exaggerated. The sound is miles better today, even in the laggy series; no battles were choppy in the first series today or yesterday or the day before that; only one game was shown out of order; and the map pool is being fixed asap, they're waiting on team responses. As for missed and cancelled games: the series going on right now is a great example of how they're now addressing that. The chats are hostile because almost all chats are hostile these days, it's the internet. Are you seriously telling me you are satisfied with the performance of the NASL organizers? Sound? You're telling me an organization has no idea how to stream Khaldor so that he doesn't sound like he's in a wind tunnel (please don't blame Skype, they can very well think of an alternative voice streaming method, I'm sure TSL casters are not in the studio either). I've heard of setting the bar low, but come on... I don't see so much hate on TSL/GSL chats. And to no battles are choppy... are u reading the posts here? I am satisfied with their performance because they are demonstrating an ability to adapt to problems they face. The Khaldor issue was before the sound person came in to work with them, since it was recorded earlier than the rest of the matches; the Gretorp/iNcontrol sound in the first two series was fantastic. Were you there when TSL was lagging/crashed? They instantly compared it to MLG as a disaster of epic proportions. And I specifically said no battles were choppy before the second series today, or the day before, or any other time that I remember; this seems to be a new issue, but they're doing their utmost to address it, that's why the stream is going down. And GSL season one got hated on mercilessly as well. | ||
Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
i live on a college campus and my internet is pretty shitty sometimes so im always paranoid about whether is me or the stream. | ||
udgnim
United States8024 Posts
they've had plenty of other days where the stream was smooth for almost the entire cast, so hope they figure out what was causing the lag issue for today but I don't think they'll have it figured out before today's broadcast is done. | ||
MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:52 Condor Hero wrote: what the hell is wrong with the stream. i live on a college campus and my internet is pretty shitty sometimes so im always paranoid about whether is me or the stream. it's not you, don't worry | ||
mikyaJ
1834 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:44 Rhyme wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote: On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote: On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote: On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote: This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble. umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game? ...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras. I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi. um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost. hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost? no, you're just wrong. Think of it like if Hydras were Collosus... straight up a Collosus will lose to 2 Marauders... but if you have Stalkers keeping Marauders away from you're Collosus, then the Collosus can dish out serious DPS. Same applies to Hydras, they need something to keep them out of range and protect them; Hydras do have 6 range ofc, longer than all Gateway units. | ||
Mephyss
Brazil128 Posts
On April 25 2011 11:50 Pandain wrote: By the way why isn't Incontrol casting this? I don't see him playing in any of these games, what made him not cast? Probably they are recording this in the morning because of the Korean player and IinControl was probably not available at that time | ||
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