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pirates
Profile Joined October 2010
United States701 Posts
April 25 2011 02:45 GMT
#681
On April 25 2011 11:43 jmbthirteen wrote:
See Zerg players, use nydus worms!

ppl have been using nydus against forge expand forever.. protoss dont forge expand as much as 3 gate expand. you cant nydus reliably against non-static defense -_-
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 25 2011 02:45 GMT
#682
On April 25 2011 11:44 Pandain wrote:
Can't believe Idra just GG'd at the start of both those games.

He must really be feeling pessimistic about the state of ZvT.


Are you from the future?
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
April 25 2011 02:45 GMT
#683
On April 25 2011 11:44 TRG wrote:
Dealing with stream lag 3 weeks in a row, and now I'm greeted with stream crashes. I don't see why anyone would even consider buying a premium ticket. Also, Gretorp is still casting, so... yeah, no need to ever purchase a premium ticket; not even HD can make what Gretorp is saying seem important.


Troll.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
April 25 2011 02:45 GMT
#684
Yeah gotta really wonder about the lag... What is up with that? There are plenty of streams out there and tourneys that stream at 720p and 1028p and they have no problems at all but 240 and 320 are STRUGGLING atm.

And jut gotta say that last attack was just a beauty. Zenio was so careful the entire time just looking for little holes in Mana's defence. Picking off a pylon here and there, a core, some gateways. And then reusing his nydus to draw Mana's main force into his main as he picked off the cannons with his hydras, THEN retreated with them. Sweeeet. I really thought Zenio was dead as soon as Mana got that probe in at around 20 food and saw no hatch. He immediately made more cannons. Would've been safer to get more gates rather than stargates though. Or he at least should've patrolled some probes at his sides.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
emecee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States222 Posts
April 25 2011 02:46 GMT
#685
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote:
This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.

umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?

...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.

I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.



um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost.
hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units

pretty sure this is wrong
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
April 25 2011 02:46 GMT
#686
NASL really needs to do something about this lag. Dunno whose fault it is, but they are the ones that will suffer if people stop watching nasl because of this. I have a hard time seeing how this can happen. Surely they have made sure to have a more than adequate internet connection, and surely they must have a contract with justin.tv in which justin.tv guarantees being able to stream. Idra regularly streams with the same number of viewers over justin.tv with no problems, so it seems crazy to me that a professional league somehow can't do it.

It's really sad because they have great games, great commentators and great players, and without the lag it would be an amazing show.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 25 2011 02:46 GMT
#687
On April 25 2011 11:44 Rhyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote:
This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.

umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?

...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.

I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.



um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost.
hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units


um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?



Try it out in a unit tester. The results are shocking, I know
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TheDWorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany69 Posts
April 25 2011 02:46 GMT
#688
On April 25 2011 11:44 Pandain wrote:
Can't believe Idra just GG'd at the start of both those games.

He must really be feeling pessimistic about the state of ZvT.

what game ur talking ?
phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
April 25 2011 02:46 GMT
#689
On April 25 2011 11:44 TRG wrote:
Dealing with stream lag 3 weeks in a row, and now I'm greeted with stream crashes. I don't see why anyone would even consider buying a premium ticket. Also, Gretorp is still casting, so... yeah, no need to ever purchase a premium ticket; not even HD can make what Gretorp is saying seem important.

lol harsh. well I suppose people would buy it for HD VoDs which I assume doesn't crash and stuff. so that's one reason. I mean the games are good, it's just the production that's horrible.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
April 25 2011 02:47 GMT
#690
stream is back up but still lagging, please clear up before the fourth series
Vundox
Profile Joined March 2011
United States182 Posts
April 25 2011 02:47 GMT
#691
On April 25 2011 11:44 Rhyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote:
This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.

umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?

...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.

I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.



um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost.
hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units


um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?


please don't talk out of your ass, 1Eris1 is right. Hydras only do well when there are roaches tanking
implying Suzy isn't perfect
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
April 25 2011 02:47 GMT
#692
on 240p its ~ok
21 is half the truth
reptile
Profile Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
April 25 2011 02:47 GMT
#693
On April 25 2011 11:44 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:44 TRG wrote:
Dealing with stream lag 3 weeks in a row, and now I'm greeted with stream crashes. I don't see why anyone would even consider buying a premium ticket. Also, Gretorp is still casting, so... yeah, no need to ever purchase a premium ticket; not even HD can make what Gretorp is saying seem important.

lol I can't believe you brought up HD as if he's some savior to casting.

Woah woah woah, I did not mean HD the caster haha, I meant high definition. Sorry, I'm definitely going to edit that, I don't want people thinking that's what I meant at all.
"When the game is over, the King and the Pawn go back in the same box."
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
April 25 2011 02:48 GMT
#694
On April 25 2011 11:46 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:44 Rhyme wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote:
This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.

umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?

...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.

I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.



um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost.
hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units


um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?



Try it out in a unit tester. The results are shocking, I know

Yeah Hydras are kind of overrated against gateway units. They're good, but they aren't great unless you have lings/roaches in front of them.

(By great I mean like immortals vs roaches or like colossi vs marines)
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
April 25 2011 02:48 GMT
#695
On April 25 2011 11:33 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:28 openbox1 wrote:
I don't get it. Everyone is saying don't be critical etc... but it really is amateur hour.
Sound is terrible, video is laggy, battles always choppy, games are shown out of order, map pool is screwy, missed games, cancelled games, hostile chats etc...

Can you think of any other tourney with so much problems?
MLG had some problems with Bnet but that was beyond their control.

Everything within the control of the NASL guys has been screwed up hardcore.
Its just incompetence at every level.


That seems pretty exaggerated. The sound is miles better today, even in the laggy series; no battles were choppy in the first series today or yesterday or the day before that; only one game was shown out of order; and the map pool is being fixed asap, they're waiting on team responses.

As for missed and cancelled games: the series going on right now is a great example of how they're now addressing that. The chats are hostile because almost all chats are hostile these days, it's the internet.


Are you seriously telling me you are satisfied with the performance of the NASL organizers? Sound? You're telling me an organization has no idea how to stream Khaldor so that he doesn't sound like he's in a wind tunnel (please don't blame Skype, they can very well think of an alternative voice streaming method, I'm sure TSL casters are not in the studio either). I've heard of setting the bar low, but come on...

I don't see so much hate on TSL/GSL chats.
And to no battles are choppy... are u reading the posts here?
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:51:10
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#696
NASL will not last this way. Wellplayed has an article about how the players are upset with the game schedule (ie, very early mornings) and fans are bitching about the consistent lag and some about the audio problems.

Please get things together NASL, I want you to do well.

Edit: The audio is literally 90% on the left side. That is unacceptable, as is the lag. Constant studdering.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
daemonjr
Profile Joined January 2011
United States48 Posts
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#697
On April 25 2011 11:46 phanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:44 TRG wrote:
Dealing with stream lag 3 weeks in a row, and now I'm greeted with stream crashes. I don't see why anyone would even consider buying a premium ticket. Also, Gretorp is still casting, so... yeah, no need to ever purchase a premium ticket; not even HD can make what Gretorp is saying seem important.

lol harsh. well I suppose people would buy it for HD VoDs which I assume doesn't crash and stuff. so that's one reason. I mean the games are good, it's just the production that's horrible.

no i bought for the HD stream, vods would be extra...not the other way around
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#698
On April 25 2011 11:44 Pandain wrote:
Can't believe Idra just GG'd at the start of both those games.

He must really be feeling pessimistic about the state of ZvT.


That's silly , T doesn't have Hallucations
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Ezekyle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 02:54:22
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#699
On April 25 2011 11:44 Rhyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 11:43 1Eris1 wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Aequos wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:40 mikyaJ wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote:
This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.

umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?

...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.

I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.



um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost.
hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units


um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?

Go into Liquipedia and run the numbers. Stalkers in a guardian shield (and they will be in any major engagement) will beat hydras 1v1 with a decent bit of health remaining, even without blink micro or any force field use. I haven't looked at zealots, but they're more efficient than stalkers, so yeah. Hydras are actually terrible at everything.

EDIT: Zealots actually kill hydralisks 1v1, even with the hydra range upgrade and no zealot charge or guardian shield.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
April 25 2011 02:49 GMT
#700
Hahahha Khaldor what a baller<3
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