On April 25 2011 11:43 jmbthirteen wrote: See Zerg players, use nydus worms!
ppl have been using nydus against forge expand forever.. protoss dont forge expand as much as 3 gate expand. you cant nydus reliably against non-static defense -_-
On April 25 2011 11:44 TRG wrote: Dealing with stream lag 3 weeks in a row, and now I'm greeted with stream crashes. I don't see why anyone would even consider buying a premium ticket. Also, Gretorp is still casting, so... yeah, no need to ever purchase a premium ticket; not even HD can make what Gretorp is saying seem important.
Yeah gotta really wonder about the lag... What is up with that? There are plenty of streams out there and tourneys that stream at 720p and 1028p and they have no problems at all but 240 and 320 are STRUGGLING atm.
And jut gotta say that last attack was just a beauty. Zenio was so careful the entire time just looking for little holes in Mana's defence. Picking off a pylon here and there, a core, some gateways. And then reusing his nydus to draw Mana's main force into his main as he picked off the cannons with his hydras, THEN retreated with them. Sweeeet. I really thought Zenio was dead as soon as Mana got that probe in at around 20 food and saw no hatch. He immediately made more cannons. Would've been safer to get more gates rather than stargates though. Or he at least should've patrolled some probes at his sides.
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote: This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.
umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?
...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.
I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.
um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost. hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units
NASL really needs to do something about this lag. Dunno whose fault it is, but they are the ones that will suffer if people stop watching nasl because of this. I have a hard time seeing how this can happen. Surely they have made sure to have a more than adequate internet connection, and surely they must have a contract with justin.tv in which justin.tv guarantees being able to stream. Idra regularly streams with the same number of viewers over justin.tv with no problems, so it seems crazy to me that a professional league somehow can't do it.
It's really sad because they have great games, great commentators and great players, and without the lag it would be an amazing show.
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote: This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.
umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?
...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.
I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.
um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost. hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units
um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?
Try it out in a unit tester. The results are shocking, I know
On April 25 2011 11:44 TRG wrote: Dealing with stream lag 3 weeks in a row, and now I'm greeted with stream crashes. I don't see why anyone would even consider buying a premium ticket. Also, Gretorp is still casting, so... yeah, no need to ever purchase a premium ticket; not even HD can make what Gretorp is saying seem important.
lol harsh. well I suppose people would buy it for HD VoDs which I assume doesn't crash and stuff. so that's one reason. I mean the games are good, it's just the production that's horrible.
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote: This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.
umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?
...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.
I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.
um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost. hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units
um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?
please don't talk out of your ass, 1Eris1 is right. Hydras only do well when there are roaches tanking
On April 25 2011 11:44 TRG wrote: Dealing with stream lag 3 weeks in a row, and now I'm greeted with stream crashes. I don't see why anyone would even consider buying a premium ticket. Also, Gretorp is still casting, so... yeah, no need to ever purchase a premium ticket; not even HD can make what Gretorp is saying seem important.
lol I can't believe you brought up HD as if he's some savior to casting.
Woah woah woah, I did not mean HD the caster haha, I meant high definition. Sorry, I'm definitely going to edit that, I don't want people thinking that's what I meant at all.
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote: This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.
umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?
...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.
I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.
um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost. hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units
um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?
Try it out in a unit tester. The results are shocking, I know
Yeah Hydras are kind of overrated against gateway units. They're good, but they aren't great unless you have lings/roaches in front of them.
(By great I mean like immortals vs roaches or like colossi vs marines)
On April 25 2011 11:28 openbox1 wrote: I don't get it. Everyone is saying don't be critical etc... but it really is amateur hour. Sound is terrible, video is laggy, battles always choppy, games are shown out of order, map pool is screwy, missed games, cancelled games, hostile chats etc...
Can you think of any other tourney with so much problems? MLG had some problems with Bnet but that was beyond their control.
Everything within the control of the NASL guys has been screwed up hardcore. Its just incompetence at every level.
That seems pretty exaggerated. The sound is miles better today, even in the laggy series; no battles were choppy in the first series today or yesterday or the day before that; only one game was shown out of order; and the map pool is being fixed asap, they're waiting on team responses.
As for missed and cancelled games: the series going on right now is a great example of how they're now addressing that. The chats are hostile because almost all chats are hostile these days, it's the internet.
Are you seriously telling me you are satisfied with the performance of the NASL organizers? Sound? You're telling me an organization has no idea how to stream Khaldor so that he doesn't sound like he's in a wind tunnel (please don't blame Skype, they can very well think of an alternative voice streaming method, I'm sure TSL casters are not in the studio either). I've heard of setting the bar low, but come on...
I don't see so much hate on TSL/GSL chats. And to no battles are choppy... are u reading the posts here?
NASL will not last this way. Wellplayed has an article about how the players are upset with the game schedule (ie, very early mornings) and fans are bitching about the consistent lag and some about the audio problems.
Please get things together NASL, I want you to do well.
Edit: The audio is literally 90% on the left side. That is unacceptable, as is the lag. Constant studdering.
On April 25 2011 11:44 TRG wrote: Dealing with stream lag 3 weeks in a row, and now I'm greeted with stream crashes. I don't see why anyone would even consider buying a premium ticket. Also, Gretorp is still casting, so... yeah, no need to ever purchase a premium ticket; not even HD can make what Gretorp is saying seem important.
lol harsh. well I suppose people would buy it for HD VoDs which I assume doesn't crash and stuff. so that's one reason. I mean the games are good, it's just the production that's horrible.
no i bought for the HD stream, vods would be extra...not the other way around
On April 25 2011 11:38 Aequos wrote: This is why you tech Colossi in PvZ - something has to kill those Hydras or you are in serious trouble.
umm... if he went for Collosus he would be dead already, Zenio went for Hydras AFTER Mana had the Stargate out and working... and now Mana is on one base, can't switch to Collosus now either. Seriously did you even watch the game?
...I mean in general, you tech Colossi because Hydras are so powerful. This is a demonstration of the power of Hydras.
I'm not saying he should have gone Colossi, I'm saying this is why people do go Colossi.
um you realize hydras lose to zealots off creep and to stalkers cost for cost. hydras need roaches to tank for them, or they are terrible straight up vs gateway units
um you realize hydras beat gateway units cost for cost?
Go into Liquipedia and run the numbers. Stalkers in a guardian shield (and they will be in any major engagement) will beat hydras 1v1 with a decent bit of health remaining, even without blink micro or any force field use. I haven't looked at zealots, but they're more efficient than stalkers, so yeah. Hydras are actually terrible at everything.
EDIT: Zealots actually kill hydralisks 1v1, even with the hydra range upgrade and no zealot charge or guardian shield.