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TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
April 14 2011 01:34 GMT
#241
The schedule isnt that demanding for these players. its only 1 BO3 a week. thats nothing
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 14 2011 01:34 GMT
#242
I agree with people saying the player shouldn't be given the choice of a WO; it should just be given after a certain time has passed.

By offering the WO you put the player in a horrible situation where they look like cowards if the take it or fools if they don't.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 14 2011 01:35 GMT
#243
On April 14 2011 10:25 Bear4188 wrote:
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On April 14 2011 10:24 Liha wrote:
This couldn't ever happen in GSL


Many people reported GSL as completely or nearly unviewable for the first couple season.


Come to think of it weren't there several "He's going to be here, we promise" moments in the first few seasons of GSL? I remember at least one and I didn't watch that much of the opens.
azarat
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia155 Posts
April 14 2011 01:35 GMT
#244
I think those that are asking NASL to be flexible with scheduling need to take a step back and think about it some more. When you have a tournament that is 5 Bo3's per night, 5 days a week and the casters are observing the games live the day before, the scheduling will be extremely tight. Its not like a live broadcast like GSL which is on-the-fly and set around a specific time of day when everyone is present at the tournament and the cameras/stream are turned on and its all systems go. With NASL having to do post-production and encoding overnight, you bet they're going to have a tight schedule when you're producing anywhere up to 3 or 4 hours of content 5 days a week. Combine that with the fact that your matches are revolving time zones (for example, Moon vs Artosis is fine because both players are on the same time zone, but the next week Artosis might be playing Grubby, on the opposite side of the world) and its a logistical nightmare.

As long as they're up front about these facts from the beginning with their players, I can see every reason for NASL to enforce the W/O rules very strictly. If a player wants to compete, they commit to the scheduling, and if they can't commit to it they shouldn't compete. Its disrespectful to the casters, the management, and the opponent who are ready and waiting for a player to decide that they can't play that week because of some other non-urgent reason.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
April 14 2011 01:35 GMT
#245
On April 14 2011 10:32 motbob wrote:
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On April 14 2011 10:32 ptbl wrote:
On April 14 2011 10:30 Moonwrath wrote:
GSL isn't comparable, that is a live broadcast with players playing live in the same room. W/O's will happen in an online league if the players decide not to show up to their scheduled game time. You absolutely without a doubt cannot blame NASL for it. It is the players' responsibility to play their games. NASL made every attempt to contact the players but they didn't respond. How can anyone possibly say it is NASL's fault?

Yeah I'm bummed we won't see those matches, but take your frustration out on who actually deserve it, the players who fucked up.


The question is why isn't NASL rescheduling the matches. People want to see white-ra vs July, it's a marquee match-up.

They are already doing 4 hours of SC2 per night. It's tough to fit even more in.


Well, they could always show it on Monday or Sunday, when they don't have any broadcasts. Or even upload it on youtube. If they made the game available people will flock to it and watch it.
Don't mind me
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
April 14 2011 01:36 GMT
#246
On April 14 2011 10:28 Azarkon wrote:
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There are a couple of concerns I have for NASL.

1. I don't quite understand the reason for choosing the format of delayed broadcast of live cast games, especially when the games happen one day prior to the cast. You get almost all the issues associated with live casting, including scheduling inflexibility, while still not making the end result live for the viewers. It seems a huge number of issues can be resolved simply by casting from replays. Of course, an admin still has to be there for the matches to referee, but that's a lot easier than scheduling the players, the admins, and the casters all on the same day. Just my two cents here.

2. Given that a strict schedule is followed, I am on board with holding players to what they signed up for, regardless of prior engagements. If DH happens and you have to go, then accept that you're going to get W/O in NASL. And if it is the case that you persistently hold other tournaments over NASL for the purpose of priority scheduling, then I see no reason why NASL should not kick you out of the league altogether and keep the deposit. It doesn't matter if it's White-Ra or IdrA or Dustin Browder himself. A league like this requires commitment, and commitment is also needed for eSports to grow.

3. Having said that, there are sometimes legitimate excuses - for example being sick and unable to play - which are out of the players' control. Part of the reason I think replay casting is better than the current NASL setup is that it controls for these cases better, giving an opportunity for rescheduling in case stuff doesn't go as planned. Failing that, though, perhaps the right answer is to play the games several days earlier. Assuming players are held to a strict NDA, playing a day before versus several days before shouldn't matter that much as long as precautions are taken to prevent result leak via match history.

4. If it is the case that a scheduling problem is known beforehand and is legitimate, I think that rather than not having the games at all it's better to compromise and schedule a replay cast instead. For example, for DH White-Ra and July could've played their games before DH happened to guarantee that we'll have a match as opposed to a blank time slot. It should be made clear, though, that such lenience is not guaranteed and will be given only for players who have good reasons to break the schedule.

5. Unfortunately, persistent troublemakers need to go, regardless of their skill. For a league to be professional its players must be professional. It's understandable that the SC 2 foreigner's scene, which has long been an amateur's scene, is not able to adjust to professionalism right away, but for a regular broadcast league to work you can't be running late and/or short frequently. I appreciate Incontrol's statement that NASL will address this issue and look forward to seeing what will be implemented to ensure these problems don't occur in the future
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Your concerns are valid and i guess there is still 30min until the NASL starts so i don't see a problem discussing these now but when it starts i think a lot of people would appreciate if this LR thread remained an LR thread for LRing and any complaints or suggestions can be taken to this thread

With regards to the scheduling argument - people are constantly forgetting how much goes into this many games being broadcasted; they have prioritised a large number of games over schedule flexibility and i guarantee you that every player going into the NASL knew that this was the case. The most important thing is SjoW made arrangements to play his match; he found a PC bang to get it done in, yet after 4 hours White-Ra was uncontactable and poor July was sitting around since 4am. Shit happens; accept the W/O and move on. Commitment would have been a criteria for selection for the NASL i am almost sure, i don't see why this is an issue. Otherwise i agree with most of your other points L)
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greycubed
Profile Joined May 2010
United States615 Posts
April 14 2011 01:36 GMT
#247
On April 14 2011 10:34 On_Slaught wrote:
I agree with people saying the player shouldn't be given the choice of a WO; it should just be given after a certain time has passed.

By offering the WO you put the player in a horrible situation where they look like cowards if the take it or fools if they don't.
Agreed. NASL should man up and accept the responsibility.
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Nosforit
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada260 Posts
April 14 2011 01:37 GMT
#248
This makes me sad, I had chosen White-Ra on my LiquidBet and get an autoloss now. :-(
The time you enjoyed wasting was not wasted time.
Inky87
Profile Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
April 14 2011 01:37 GMT
#249
Better to delay than put up a stream that flat out fails.
Zolid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States228 Posts
April 14 2011 01:38 GMT
#250
Meh this delay isn't really a big deal for me it's season 1....they still need to iron all the kinks out and the more they do this the better it will become. It just takes time.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 14 2011 01:38 GMT
#251
On April 14 2011 10:35 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:32 motbob wrote:
On April 14 2011 10:32 ptbl wrote:
On April 14 2011 10:30 Moonwrath wrote:
GSL isn't comparable, that is a live broadcast with players playing live in the same room. W/O's will happen in an online league if the players decide not to show up to their scheduled game time. You absolutely without a doubt cannot blame NASL for it. It is the players' responsibility to play their games. NASL made every attempt to contact the players but they didn't respond. How can anyone possibly say it is NASL's fault?

Yeah I'm bummed we won't see those matches, but take your frustration out on who actually deserve it, the players who fucked up.


The question is why isn't NASL rescheduling the matches. People want to see white-ra vs July, it's a marquee match-up.

They are already doing 4 hours of SC2 per night. It's tough to fit even more in.


Well, they could always show it on Monday or Sunday, when they don't have any broadcasts. Or even upload it on youtube. If they made the game available people will flock to it and watch it.

You don't seem to understand that these players signed contracts. Obligating them to play on a specific day each week. If the NASL would make an exception for this match, they would be pressured into doing it for all of the others. Making this scenario even worse, and thats apparently something you're against.
dapanman
Profile Joined September 2010
United States316 Posts
April 14 2011 01:38 GMT
#252
On April 14 2011 10:25 jedi1982 wrote:
NASL should have some promo video going when it's SUPPOSED to be live or a "live ticker" bar at top/bottom of screen letting viewers know the status of the stream and W/L records of current games


Or maybe like some sort of textual medium where someone might record their thoughts or messages with the hope that inquiring minds might discover said text. We can borrow the Roman word for 'marketplace' or 'town square' to describe this meeting place of sorts. Perhaps employ some form of energy such as photons or electrons to transfer or transmit this information between users who are interconnected by way of a network of mechanical or electronic machines...
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
April 14 2011 01:38 GMT
#253
I don't see how anyone can put any blame on NASL at all for this..they've been more than understanding and IMO too understanding especially with Naniwa. I wouldn't have minded if he got dq'd from the whole tourney. Obviously since he won MLG he thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants and show up whenever....as he's shown in the past he's still a BM pos and shouldn't have even been given the extra time. Say what u want about Idra but ud never see him pull some crap like this
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
April 14 2011 01:39 GMT
#254
Why is the stream so laggy even on lower qualities?
Mommas Boy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada144 Posts
April 14 2011 01:39 GMT
#255
how long til NASL airs tonight?
here to play.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
April 14 2011 01:40 GMT
#256
On April 14 2011 10:39 Mommas Boy wrote:
how long til NASL airs tonight?


20 min if they don't decide to postpone it again.
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ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:44:25
April 14 2011 01:41 GMT
#257
On April 14 2011 10:38 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:35 ptbl wrote:
On April 14 2011 10:32 motbob wrote:
On April 14 2011 10:32 ptbl wrote:
On April 14 2011 10:30 Moonwrath wrote:
GSL isn't comparable, that is a live broadcast with players playing live in the same room. W/O's will happen in an online league if the players decide not to show up to their scheduled game time. You absolutely without a doubt cannot blame NASL for it. It is the players' responsibility to play their games. NASL made every attempt to contact the players but they didn't respond. How can anyone possibly say it is NASL's fault?

Yeah I'm bummed we won't see those matches, but take your frustration out on who actually deserve it, the players who fucked up.


The question is why isn't NASL rescheduling the matches. People want to see white-ra vs July, it's a marquee match-up.

They are already doing 4 hours of SC2 per night. It's tough to fit even more in.


Well, they could always show it on Monday or Sunday, when they don't have any broadcasts. Or even upload it on youtube. If they made the game available people will flock to it and watch it.

You don't seem to understand that these players signed contracts. Obligating them to play on a specific day each week. If the NASL would make an exception for this match, they would be pressured into doing it for all of the others. Making this scenario even worse, and thats apparently something you're against.


I'm speaking from a purely spectator point of you. You're coming from a contract laywer/negotiator point of you, which is fine. However not all of us are interested in the behind the scenes intricacies. We are consumers interested in the product, which are games. If NASL can't provide marquee games because of W/O then what's the incentive for the viewers to keep on coming back when there are other leagues like TSL, GSL, ESL, IPL, etc?
Don't mind me
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 14 2011 01:44 GMT
#258
not sure how many of you have played in tourneys but it isn't some odd rule the NASL invented.. a lot of tourneys I played in asked ME if I want the w/o or if I'd be exceptionally flexible and reschedule...
Mommas Boy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada144 Posts
April 14 2011 01:45 GMT
#259
On April 14 2011 10:39 Sein wrote:
Why is the stream so laggy even on lower qualities?



i watched it last night and had almost ZERO lag at 480p. ALot of people were complaining and alot were saying they had none. So it a user end thing. Its weird bc I used to get almost no lag on streams but lately alot on other streams so idk man.
here to play.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
April 14 2011 01:45 GMT
#260
Well I've never been with the haters before, but after the first day going fine how a 2 hour delay happen? I'd like the content I paid for, please.
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