EPTOn April 14 2011 10:24 Liha wrote:
This couldn't ever happen in GSL
This couldn't ever happen in GSL
Many people reported GSL as completely or nearly unviewable for the first couple season.
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
Many people reported GSL as completely or nearly unviewable for the first couple season. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:22 ZasZ. wrote: Props to NASL for taking the hard stance on WhiteRa/NaNiwa. Sounds like WhiteRa just forgot which is unfortunate, but the W/O is warranted since July got up early to play and had to wait for several hours. Sounds like NaNi was just being a douche...typical nani. He should get the W/O and a fine. You sign a contract to play in this league with the intent of...actually playing. Doesn't matter how talented he is, he's gotta follow the rules like everyone else. WhiteRa may have just been upset after losing to MC too. That game 5 must have been heartbreaking for him. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:02 motbob wrote: What about putting something in the OP of the LR thread? I agree. TL has their shit together way better than NASL. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:19 venge1155 wrote: Are you trying to say, that because WhiteRa could not make his game and because Naniwa was being a tool that you are not going to watch? Give me a break and do not over dramatize. They will not lose one viewer to the W/Os, what they will lose viewers to the the delay. Its understandable, stuff happens, but there is just no physical way I can stay up late enough to watch all the games ( missing the Incontrol game I wanted to see very badly) So sadly for myself I will be very Leary around TL in the morning and simply not even open twitter until I can get home and watch the games  So, you're saying if there are 5-10 W/Os, NASL isn't going to lose viewers. You make a bold claim and I hope you can back it up. | ||
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twoliveanddie
United States2049 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:25 jedi1982 wrote: NASL should have some promo video going when it's SUPPOSED to be live or a "live ticker" bar at top/bottom of screen letting viewers know the status of the stream and W/L records of current games gee, how about a graphic of the tournament?? maybe a video on the progress of the nasl as a whole?? interviews? music? umm, anyone? Buehler? buehler??? | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:25 Bear4188 wrote: Many people reported GSL as completely or nearly unviewable for the first couple season. I remember this. Also, the GSL is easier to run because it's in a fixed location, and the players come to them. This is only possible because all the players live in Korea. If you want to do any kind of a long-term league outside of Korea, it has to be online and silly stuff will happen. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
1. I don't quite understand the reason for choosing the format of delayed broadcast of live cast games, especially when the games happen one day prior to the cast. You get almost all the issues associated with live casting, including scheduling inflexibility, while still not making the end result live for the viewers. It seems a huge number of issues can be resolved simply by casting from replays. Of course, an admin still has to be there for the matches to referee, but that's a lot easier than scheduling the players, the admins, and the casters all on the same day. Just my two cents here. 2. Given that a strict schedule is followed, I am on board with holding players to what they signed up for, regardless of prior engagements. If DH happens and you have to go, then accept that you're going to get W/O in NASL. And if it is the case that you persistently hold other tournaments over NASL for the purpose of priority scheduling, then I see no reason why NASL should not kick you out of the league altogether and keep the deposit. It doesn't matter if it's White-Ra or IdrA or Dustin Browder himself. A league like this requires commitment, and commitment is also needed for eSports to grow. 3. Having said that, there are sometimes legitimate excuses - for example being sick and unable to play - which are out of the players' control. Part of the reason I think replay casting is better than the current NASL setup is that it controls for these cases better, giving an opportunity for rescheduling in case stuff doesn't go as planned. Failing that, though, perhaps the right answer is to play the games several days earlier. Assuming players are held to a strict NDA, playing a day before versus several days before shouldn't matter that much as long as precautions are taken to prevent result leak via match history. 4. If it is the case that a scheduling problem is known beforehand and is legitimate, I think that rather than not having the games at all it's better to compromise and schedule a replay cast instead. For example, for DH White-Ra and July could've played their games before DH happened to guarantee that we'll have a match as opposed to a blank time slot. It should be made clear, though, that such lenience is not guaranteed and will be given only for players who have good reasons to break the schedule. 5. Unfortunately, persistent troublemakers need to go, regardless of their skill. For a league to be professional its players must be professional. It's understandable that the SC 2 foreigner's scene, which has long been an amateur's scene, is not able to adjust to professionalism right away, but for a regular broadcast league to work you can't be running late and/or short frequently. I appreciate Incontrol's statement that NASL will address this issue and look forward to seeing what will be implemented to ensure these problems don't occur in the future. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
I say: qxc Cruncher SjoW iNcontrol (hoping for latency :p) | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:27 Treadmill wrote: I remember this. Also, the GSL is easier to run because it's in a fixed location, and the players come to them. This is only possible because all the players live in Korea. If you want to do any kind of a long-term league outside of Korea, it has to be online and silly stuff will happen. In order to participate in the EPS, players have to live in Germany. It has been done outside of Korea. | ||
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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:25 Bear4188 wrote: Many people reported GSL as completely or nearly unviewable for the first couple season. Just go take a look at the VODs for the first day of GSL season one if you can. It was....not pretty. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:26 ptbl wrote: So, you're saying if there are 5-10 W/Os, NASL isn't going to lose viewers. You make a bold clame and I hope you can back it up. Sure they will lose a small amount of viewers however tonight is still filled with many great games, with big named players. Really no need to take the approach of suggesting NASL will be doomed, because one game tonight isn't going to be played. We aren't even 100% certain that the Naniwa games won't happen. | ||
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Moonwrath
United States9568 Posts
Yeah I'm bummed we won't see those matches, but take your frustration out on who actually deserve it, the players who fucked up. | ||
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twoliveanddie
United States2049 Posts
"nuclear Launch Detected" all day. | ||
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BrahCJ
Australia659 Posts
From REPORTS he has been OVERLY patient and understanding to Naniwa, which shows amazing sportsmanship, then Naniwa throws it in his face and grinds ladder. The WO shouldn't be offered to Strelock, he should just get it. Putting him in the position of "choosing" a walk-over kind of sucks later on. Should he finish 16th, the person that finished 17th can use the good old "well, if he didn't take the easy road, and take the WO I would be going to LA" Then if he gets in the top prize pool from that position, its "Well, really, he might not have been there if it werent for the walk over." All this heresay and cobblewobble. Just give him the damn win. WhiteRa had to make a tough decision, and that was to commit to Dreamhack, and hopefully make it to the NASL game. We know about the PCs having to be packed up at DH, but we also know there is a huge LAN centre down the road that Whitera could have gotten to in the 4 hours July granted him (at 4am) though Whitera was un-contactable. Naniwa did even WORSE. Would love to see an example made of people who give this "sucker punch" to the NASL, however with names like Whitera and Naniwa, it makes it pretty difficult. Like punishing the favorite son. | ||
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:30 Moonwrath wrote: GSL isn't comparable, that is a live broadcast with players playing live in the same room. W/O's will happen in an online league if the players decide not to show up to their scheduled game time. You absolutely without a doubt cannot blame NASL for it. It is the players' responsibility to play their games. NASL made every attempt to contact the players but they didn't respond. How can anyone possibly say it is NASL's fault? Yeah I'm bummed we won't see those matches, but take your frustration out on who actually deserve it, the players who fucked up. The question is why isn't NASL rescheduling the matches. People want to see white-ra vs July, it's a marquee match-up. This is one of the advantages of having it online and delayed, people can reschedule unlike offline matches like the GSL. | ||
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greycubed
United States615 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:28 bkrow wrote: At least you got the qxc one right. So apparently Khaldor would be casting when iNcontrol was playing his games? Is that still true? I say: qxc Cruncher SjoW iNcontrol (hoping for latency :p) | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On April 14 2011 10:32 ptbl wrote: The question is why isn't NASL rescheduling the matches. People want to see white-ra vs July, it's a marquee match-up. They are already doing 4 hours of SC2 per night. It's tough to fit even more in. | ||
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CapnCDaWg
United States179 Posts
This is also a reason for naniwa and whitera to get the forfeits... Go out, get some fresh air... most of you probably need it to clear your head anyways. | ||
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