Dreamhack Invitational - Page 577

On April 13 2011 05:06 enemy2010 wrote:
Wow, i am just imagining MC looking through his match history in battlenet and clicking this one special match thinking "Wow, this match brought me 15.000 dollars."

And White-Ra clicking the same match in his match history thinking "Wow, i almost won 15.000 dollar right there."

Must be a beastly feeling

On April 13 2011 05:03 Forak wrote:
People still defending MC like he's sacred but no one is actually attacking or insulting him, how bizarre..

On April 13 2011 05:09 Numy wrote:


I'm sorry but I am battling to understand what you are trying to say. You say it's not illegal because it's "part of the game". Yet there is punishment for it and a player cannot do it without receiving this punishment(Unless ref/outside ref doesn't see). Nothing else matters. You stated that it wasn't illegal because it could be done but that isn't a valid line of reasoning. It is illegal. I never said your point of it being like cheese didn't stand, merely you were wrong about it being legal.

That being said it differs completely from being cheese. You cannot take such an arbitrary comparison and then state you have solved the mystery. That is just complete nonsense. Cheese is a concept within a strategy game. Hand balling and other illegal activities are confined within football. A direct comparison is impossible, you can make some kind of philosophical comparison but I find those rather pointless.

Again, they don't ban you from soccer for doing that. Every trainer would tell you that fouling the last man to prevent a goal is the best thing to do and they would fire you if you don't do that because it's against the rules. You get a red card but you prevent a goal, you cheese but if you fail you lose the game. The example works in my opinion.

On April 13 2011 05:03 hugman wrote:

Who's denying it was smart?
Do you think it's strange to get upset when the well mannered guy who wouldn't think of all-inning, is up 2-0 against a player with an aura of invincibility and then loses to 3 all-ins in a row?

On April 13 2011 05:08 supersoft wrote:

My IQ just dropped to 50 trying to understand your point. These situations are NOTHING alike. Trying to win and trying to win by cheating are two different worlds buddy.

On April 13 2011 05:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
After such an amazing tournament, I really can't believe how much whining we're getting about MC winning, especially since he was the huge favorite anyway. I love White-Ra, and he played incredibly well overall, but the fact that he was unable to scout his own base made him lose the game, and MC was just plain ballsy with that last move.

Cheesing isn't cheating, and you play to win. Period. If you don't like the fact that a player's top priority is to win instead of entertain you, then you probably shouldn't be watching any tournament with a prize pool. When money is on the line, players use strategies that they're comfortable with. You're not always going to see amazing games or crazy builds.

If you don't like the fact that MC tricked White-Ra in the last game, then just talk about something not related to MC. Or don't post at all. The QQ regarding MC's strategy doesn't need to be included. Post about how awesome White-Ra played overall, or how Dreamhack was an amazing tournament.

Don't post bullshit about how MC needs to cheese to win, or how he doesn't have real skill, because his achievements have already proven that he's one of the best SC2 players in the world.

On April 13 2011 05:03 PraetorianX wrote:


+1

+2

And u know what?

Even +3

On April 13 2011 04:52 TheBB wrote:

It's not illegal, per se. Or, to be more precise, the advantages outweighed the penalty.

On April 13 2011 05:09 Numy wrote:


I'm sorry but I am battling to understand what you are trying to say. You say it's not illegal because it's "part of the game". Yet there is punishment for it and a player cannot do it without receiving this punishment(Unless ref/outside ref doesn't see). Nothing else matters. You stated that it wasn't illegal because it could be done but that isn't a valid line of reasoning. It is illegal. I never said your point of it being like cheese didn't stand, merely you were wrong about it being legal.

That being said it differs completely from being cheese. You cannot take such an arbitrary comparison and then state you have solved the mystery. That is just complete nonsense. Cheese is a concept within a strategy game. Hand balling and other illegal activities are confined within football. A direct comparison is impossible, you can make some kind of philosophical comparison but I find those rather pointless.

Again, they don't ban you from soccer for doing that. Every trainer would tell you that fouling the last man to prevent a goal is the best thing to do and they would fire you if you don't do that because it's against the rules. You get a red card but you prevent a goal, you cheese but if you fail you lose the game. The example works in my opinion.

On April 13 2011 04:58 Teacher74 wrote:
How did MC know that whitera was in that position without scouting the bottom position?