[TSL] Ro32 Day 4 - Page 420

On March 29 2011 03:54 IPA wrote:
Does anyone know why the TSL dates are so far apart? Has it always been that way?

On March 29 2011 04:39 cidereal wrote:
I'm not surprised Cruncher won, after all he plays brotoss.
On a serious note ZvP is by far the most unforgiving match-up in the game and I'd love to watch toss dicklickers like Drizzt get fucking obliterated by fellow face-rollers if he actually had to play zerg at a high level. It's not a coincidence like 10 pros said "LOL MC PLAYS PROTOSS" before the GSL finals. Keep thinking that turtling up to 3 bases and massing a 200/200 army on a map like Shakuras before a-moving over to your opponents base is balanced and out outplaying them. Oh and it's their fault if you're not retarded enough to "multi-task" defend two chokes.

In before forum Nazis.

On March 29 2011 01:35 Jermstuddog wrote:


This is my problem with the community mass-think on the issues with Z...

SC2 has been played for about a year now, and ever since patch 12 in beta, Zergs have been losing for seemingly no reason, and the response has been "wait for the new players to figure out how to play Zerg."

Well here we are a year later... no new players have revolutionized ZvX. Ling/Bling/Muta is still the standard composition in every MU except ZvZ namely because nothing else works, and this miracle revolution that keeps getting talked about is nowhere to be seen.

If anything, there is only stagnation of an obviously broken race that can't even shoot up. The only thing keeping Zerg alive is these minor band-aids Blizzard applies to anything BUT the worthless Hydralisk, and people try to justify Zergs overall lack-luster results as poor play on the parts of the players.

The only time a ZvX ever excites me is when the Zerg wins, because often-time, I can't even comprehend how the hell that shit just happened.

I tried to stick it out and be inventive and all that good shit until about two weeks ago... eventually, it just gets disheartening...

On March 29 2011 02:11 artanis2 wrote:
IdrA would have won game 1 if he'd attacked on multiple fronts. He wasn't aggressive enough and that allowed him to get rolled as soon as Cruncher was ready.

Is it really that hard to send 24 lings at the north expo and 24 lings at the front door at the same time and then air harass or something else? Come on. IdrA completely failed in that game. He was maxed for way too long and just built more hatches instead of doing wave after wave in true Zerg swarm style.

On March 29 2011 02:33 mapleleafs791 wrote:

The problem is the map Z vs P. There is no way to try and properly engage the enemy unless your opponent is making mistakes, something you cant count on at the level they play at.

Think about what your saying, obviously Idra would multi prong harass if he could as thats exactly what he did in game 2 when the map actually allowed it. If the game happened on the new shakuras it may have been a little different but that is purley speculation. You really dont think a professional with complaints specifically about this strat doesn't realize the need to attack early? Attacking into a choke an losing everything kind of defeats the purpose.

Sending wave after wave only works if the map permits it or your opponent is making mistakes (Zeerax vs mon TSL compared to ace vs idra IEM look at the difference in stargate control). the level of difference in skill from zeerax vs cruncher is very apparent and when a player does it right on a map like the old shak in ZvP 1.2. I dont see a very viable solution.

a < 1 year old game is not gonna be racially and map balanced perfectly especially with the meta game shifts that frequently occur

Gotta give it to cruncher he won the series and that is ALL that matters, however, game 1 really shows how a map can fuck up the match up if compared to game 2.

On March 29 2011 05:52 m3rciless wrote:
Un fucking believable. TL, you have fallen far. IdrA loses because he played worse than his opponent, and all hsi stupid fucking lemming fans come out and bitch and moan balance and we end up with red text above the TSL thread, a thread meant to be a celebration of all that is good and holy about starcraft, not some fucking halo 3 live report thread.

Fuck idrA's stupid BM personality. I used to think it was amusing and a 'heel' was a good addition to esports, but if it makes his fans unable to accept that sometimes when Z loses its NOT because of imbalance then its unacceptable to me.

On a lighter note, whats funny about IdrA's career is as he starts to lose faster and faster in tournaments, his fans become more and more convinced hes always the better player and loses because of imbalance.

On March 29 2011 06:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:

You can't really pin the stupid people you're talking about who happen to be fans of IdrA as being IdrA's fault, they were fans anywhere else they'd be just as stupid.

Also, what do you mean his personality is "unacceptable" to you? What say do you have in it?

On March 29 2011 05:52 m3rciless wrote:
Un fucking believable. TL, you have fallen far. IdrA loses because he played worse than his opponent, and all hsi stupid fucking lemming fans come out and bitch and moan balance and we end up with red text above the TSL thread, a thread meant to be a celebration of all that is good and holy about starcraft, not some fucking halo 3 live report thread.

Fuck idrA's stupid BM personality. I used to think it was amusing and a 'heel' was a good addition to esports, but if it makes his fans unable to accept that sometimes when Z loses its NOT because of imbalance then its unacceptable to me.

On a lighter note, whats funny about IdrA's career is as he starts to lose faster and faster in tournaments, his fans become more and more convinced hes always the better player and loses because of imbalance.

On March 28 2011 03:51 eakzor wrote:
snapped from irc

[20:49:39] <iSiN> Roaches in the front base Hydras in the back base Which Base should I saveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee