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ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
March 28 2011 19:24 GMT
#8381
On March 29 2011 03:54 IPA wrote:
Does anyone know why the TSL dates are so far apart? Has it always been that way?


They said on the stream that they were delaying the next matches because of MLG and generally speaking I guess they do it in the week-end so that a maximum of ppl can watch it.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
cidereal
Profile Joined March 2011
2 Posts
March 28 2011 19:39 GMT
#8382
I'm not surprised Cruncher won, after all he plays brotoss.
On a serious note ZvP is by far the most unforgiving match-up in the game and I'd love to watch toss dicklickers like Drizzt get fucking obliterated by fellow face-rollers if he actually had to play zerg at a high level. It's not a coincidence like 10 pros said "LOL MC PLAYS PROTOSS" before the GSL finals. Keep thinking that turtling up to 3 bases and massing a 200/200 army on a map like Shakuras before a-moving over to your opponents base is balanced and out outplaying them. Oh and it's their fault if you're not retarded enough to "multi-task" defend two chokes.

In before forum Nazis.

User was temp banned for this post.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 19:45:16
March 28 2011 19:43 GMT
#8383
Man, having to wait a week for more TSL games is tough. Having to wait two weeks is pure torture.

On March 29 2011 04:39 cidereal wrote:
I'm not surprised Cruncher won, after all he plays brotoss.
On a serious note ZvP is by far the most unforgiving match-up in the game and I'd love to watch toss dicklickers like Drizzt get fucking obliterated by fellow face-rollers if he actually had to play zerg at a high level. It's not a coincidence like 10 pros said "LOL MC PLAYS PROTOSS" before the GSL finals. Keep thinking that turtling up to 3 bases and massing a 200/200 army on a map like Shakuras before a-moving over to your opponents base is balanced and out outplaying them. Oh and it's their fault if you're not retarded enough to "multi-task" defend two chokes.

In before forum Nazis.

Man, and there's all that big glowing red text above each page (and soon to be under your post).

Some people just like to be rebels/martyrs, I guess.
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
March 28 2011 19:52 GMT
#8384
On March 29 2011 01:35 Jermstuddog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 01:23 Drazzzt wrote:
Watch better zerg players who will hopefully be seen/developed soon enough.


This is my problem with the community mass-think on the issues with Z...

SC2 has been played for about a year now, and ever since patch 12 in beta, Zergs have been losing for seemingly no reason, and the response has been "wait for the new players to figure out how to play Zerg."

Well here we are a year later... no new players have revolutionized ZvX. Ling/Bling/Muta is still the standard composition in every MU except ZvZ namely because nothing else works, and this miracle revolution that keeps getting talked about is nowhere to be seen.

If anything, there is only stagnation of an obviously broken race that can't even shoot up. The only thing keeping Zerg alive is these minor band-aids Blizzard applies to anything BUT the worthless Hydralisk, and people try to justify Zergs overall lack-luster results as poor play on the parts of the players.

The only time a ZvX ever excites me is when the Zerg wins, because often-time, I can't even comprehend how the hell that shit just happened.

I tried to stick it out and be inventive and all that good shit until about two weeks ago... eventually, it just gets disheartening...


I think Zerg needs the Lurker back or some other cloaked unit option that deals damage so that they can put a halt to early P aggression with a well timed Lurker. Until then they'll always be walking on a tightrope between making more drones and dieing to a sudden 6gate push or not making enough drones and not being ahead enough in economy.

HotS will probably sort it out.
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MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 20:13:33
March 28 2011 20:09 GMT
#8385
On March 29 2011 02:11 artanis2 wrote:
IdrA would have won game 1 if he'd attacked on multiple fronts. He wasn't aggressive enough and that allowed him to get rolled as soon as Cruncher was ready.

Is it really that hard to send 24 lings at the north expo and 24 lings at the front door at the same time and then air harass or something else? Come on. IdrA completely failed in that game. He was maxed for way too long and just built more hatches instead of doing wave after wave in true Zerg swarm style.

Wave after wave only works if you can do damage to the protoss ball with each wave - Cruncher's army got too big for that to happen, and IdrA couldn't put on the pressure that zerg needs to prevent that from happening when they get maxed because of the amount of chokes on that map. On the new Shakuras it might be a little better but the problem still exists, shakuras is really not that great a map for Z in ZvP (which, by the way, IdrA has been saying since the beginning)

As for the counterattacks, the wall at the front and the army at the back prevents lings from being effective at all. Roach counterattacks might sound nice against walls but roaches take a while to build and it takes more supply to get a decent number of them for an attack (considering that a 3base protoss can warp in a defense wherever he needs, you probably need at least 10 roaches to break the wall, cannons, and warp in). You could probably do a better job with Hydralisks if they weren't so goddamn slow, but unfortunately they're goddamn slow.

I don't think you can really say that IdrA failed that game unless you mean he failed to win in an incredibly difficult matchup, which is true but not unexpected.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
March 28 2011 20:12 GMT
#8386
Time for IdrA to come back on the terran side imo :p
phate
Profile Joined August 2010
81 Posts
March 28 2011 20:28 GMT
#8387
On March 29 2011 02:33 mapleleafs791 wrote:

The problem is the map Z vs P. There is no way to try and properly engage the enemy unless your opponent is making mistakes, something you cant count on at the level they play at.

Think about what your saying, obviously Idra would multi prong harass if he could as thats exactly what he did in game 2 when the map actually allowed it. If the game happened on the new shakuras it may have been a little different but that is purley speculation. You really dont think a professional with complaints specifically about this strat doesn't realize the need to attack early? Attacking into a choke an losing everything kind of defeats the purpose.

Sending wave after wave only works if the map permits it or your opponent is making mistakes (Zeerax vs mon TSL compared to ace vs idra IEM look at the difference in stargate control). the level of difference in skill from zeerax vs cruncher is very apparent and when a player does it right on a map like the old shak in ZvP 1.2. I dont see a very viable solution.

a < 1 year old game is not gonna be racially and map balanced perfectly especially with the meta game shifts that frequently occur

Gotta give it to cruncher he won the series and that is ALL that matters, however, game 1 really shows how a map can fuck up the match up if compared to game 2.


Moon tore Squirtle apart in IEM with hydra drops/multi-pronged attacks, when Squirtle tried to deathball up. Shakuras is a more difficult map than some to do that style, but it is possible.
Tyrellius
Profile Joined February 2011
36 Posts
March 28 2011 20:41 GMT
#8388
Never before has a simple made me laugh as much.

I love watching smack talkers getting owned.
Jager
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom140 Posts
March 28 2011 20:48 GMT
#8389
Makes me sick seeing blinded idra fans defend him. What's even more hilarious is people are having ago at Croucher from BMing....
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
March 28 2011 20:52 GMT
#8390
Un fucking believable. TL, you have fallen far. IdrA loses because he played worse than his opponent, and all hsi stupid fucking lemming fans come out and bitch and moan balance and we end up with red text above the TSL thread, a thread meant to be a celebration of all that is good and holy about starcraft, not some fucking halo 3 live report thread.

Fuck idrA's stupid BM personality. I used to think it was amusing and a 'heel' was a good addition to esports, but if it makes his fans unable to accept that sometimes when Z loses its NOT because of imbalance then its unacceptable to me.

On a lighter note, whats funny about IdrA's career is as he starts to lose faster and faster in tournaments, his fans become more and more convinced hes always the better player and loses because of imbalance.
White-Ra fighting!
barrykp
Profile Joined August 2010
Ireland174 Posts
March 28 2011 20:56 GMT
#8391
I was expecting idrA to win, mostly on the basis of what he said in his interview ("both games" made me laugh), but after hearing a little bit of Cruncher's resume in Sunday's Day[9] daily it seems like idrA really underestimated him, maybe because he doesn't like him? I don't know what the history is between them that Wheat alluded to pregame, but it seems like idrA should have taken him more seriously as an opponent.
Lecture me some more on how to play please; I need help.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 21:06:55
March 28 2011 21:05 GMT
#8392
On March 29 2011 05:52 m3rciless wrote:
Un fucking believable. TL, you have fallen far. IdrA loses because he played worse than his opponent, and all hsi stupid fucking lemming fans come out and bitch and moan balance and we end up with red text above the TSL thread, a thread meant to be a celebration of all that is good and holy about starcraft, not some fucking halo 3 live report thread.

Fuck idrA's stupid BM personality. I used to think it was amusing and a 'heel' was a good addition to esports, but if it makes his fans unable to accept that sometimes when Z loses its NOT because of imbalance then its unacceptable to me.

On a lighter note, whats funny about IdrA's career is as he starts to lose faster and faster in tournaments, his fans become more and more convinced hes always the better player and loses because of imbalance.

You can't really pin the stupid people you're talking about who happen to be fans of IdrA as being IdrA's fault, if they were fans anywhere else they'd be just as stupid.

Also, what do you mean his personality is "unacceptable" to you? What say do you have in it?
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
March 28 2011 21:07 GMT
#8393
On March 29 2011 06:05 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:52 m3rciless wrote:
Un fucking believable. TL, you have fallen far. IdrA loses because he played worse than his opponent, and all hsi stupid fucking lemming fans come out and bitch and moan balance and we end up with red text above the TSL thread, a thread meant to be a celebration of all that is good and holy about starcraft, not some fucking halo 3 live report thread.

Fuck idrA's stupid BM personality. I used to think it was amusing and a 'heel' was a good addition to esports, but if it makes his fans unable to accept that sometimes when Z loses its NOT because of imbalance then its unacceptable to me.

On a lighter note, whats funny about IdrA's career is as he starts to lose faster and faster in tournaments, his fans become more and more convinced hes always the better player and loses because of imbalance.

You can't really pin the stupid people you're talking about who happen to be fans of IdrA as being IdrA's fault, they were fans anywhere else they'd be just as stupid.

Also, what do you mean his personality is "unacceptable" to you? What say do you have in it?


I have no say in it. But as I wrote in my post, I used to think it was fun and harmless, now i don't. It's trite and detracts from the community as a whole by giving zerg players an us vs them mentality.
White-Ra fighting!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44386 Posts
March 28 2011 21:13 GMT
#8394
On March 29 2011 00:03 Malhorn wrote:
Very classless of Cruncher in game 3. Really hope Karma catches up to him soon. Very BM...


That's a joke, right? You're defending the Emperor of BM, who showed terrible sportsmanship towards Cruncher all throughout the series, against one BM move at the end? And I love watching a little attitude from players from time to time. From the way IdrA had been acting, it was certainly justified by Cruncher. Oh, and one more thing:

+ Show Spoiler +
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
March 28 2011 21:48 GMT
#8395
Why ling/baneling/infestor mass base ZvP (Aquanda style?) hasn't surfaced in TSL yet?
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
DeadPixels
Profile Joined October 2010
United States78 Posts
March 28 2011 21:48 GMT
#8396
On March 29 2011 05:52 m3rciless wrote:
Un fucking believable. TL, you have fallen far. IdrA loses because he played worse than his opponent, and all hsi stupid fucking lemming fans come out and bitch and moan balance and we end up with red text above the TSL thread, a thread meant to be a celebration of all that is good and holy about starcraft, not some fucking halo 3 live report thread.

Fuck idrA's stupid BM personality. I used to think it was amusing and a 'heel' was a good addition to esports, but if it makes his fans unable to accept that sometimes when Z loses its NOT because of imbalance then its unacceptable to me.

On a lighter note, whats funny about IdrA's career is as he starts to lose faster and faster in tournaments, his fans become more and more convinced hes always the better player and loses because of imbalance.


Will you marry me?
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
March 28 2011 21:59 GMT
#8397
On March 28 2011 03:51 eakzor wrote:
snapped from irc

[20:49:39] <iSiN> Roaches in the front base Hydras in the back base Which Base should I saveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
quoted for hilarity

(referred to Idra vs. Cruncher game 2)
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
March 28 2011 22:57 GMT
#8398
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'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Fiercegore
Profile Joined July 2010
United States294 Posts
March 28 2011 23:02 GMT
#8399
On March 29 2011 07:57 qrs wrote:
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
March 28 2011 23:25 GMT
#8400
On March 29 2011 05:12 phisku wrote:
Time for IdrA to come back on the terran side imo :p


I've been hoping for this. But Idra is so stubborn it will never happen -_-. Even though in BW he switched from Zerg to Terran.
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