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[GCPL Grand Final] Fnatic vs Dignitas - Page 18
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Kazzabiss
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Serpico
4285 Posts
He also thinks huk is liquid's second best player. | ||
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mdma-_-
Nauru1213 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:01 lazyfeet wrote: well i think Idra is still little better at this point. judging by the games i've seen from both last week sen currently seems to be ahead. (beating sjow, nani, fenix, xiaot while idra lost to kiwikaki, minigun, drewbie, nani and moman) | ||
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SeraKuDA
Canada343 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:01 lazyfeet wrote: well i think Idra is still little better at this point. Idra is (or at least was) better at ZvZ, but Sen has not given up on ZvP which I feel like Idra has, and is probably the only Zerg who's still doing really, really well against top Protoss players though you can tell it's an uphill battle each game. They have different styles for sure, but Sen exploits hole in his opponent's play much better than Idra does. Idra prepares each time to face an opponent that he thinks will make no mistakes and therefore often loses because his opponents get over-greedy or over-allin. Sen, by contrast, plays with the expectation that there will be an opening - and exploits it better than any other Zerg I've seen. And really, Sen's games are more exciting because he actually attacks. That's what counts  | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:06 SeraKuDA wrote: Lots of people just have a hard time accepting the fact that Idra somehow isn't the best player. just better than sen is all. Idra has shown that in the highest profile tourney in the world which is what matters most imo. Just a difference of opinion. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Lets face it, if Sen was more known in the spotlight, it wouldnt even be a debate. In terms of SKILL and TALENT.. Sen is miles ahead of Idra. | ||
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kvn4444
1510 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3358 Posts
On March 21 2011 07:56 Lonyo wrote: Because his opponent then transitioned into useless tech and didn't do any additional harass. Immortals and a robotics bay vs ling mutalisk? Also while Sen lost a lot of queens, he didn't waste money on useless tech (e.g. hydra den), and he didn't lose GAS, he only lost minerals. He also had more drones than there were probes, and no pressure was put on beyond the phoenix, so he was basically left alone apart from the phoenix. Yes, killing queens and overlords is damaging, but Sen was always ahead in drone count, didn't lose anything valuable (things which use gas) and was then able to kill the hard counter to his tech choice (phoenix vs mutalisk), following a really bad protoss tech choice (immortals and a robotics bay) and a lack of continued stargate production. Then there was the mis-micro at the end with forcefields, and it was easy to survive. Spot on! Sen went for the very strong, mineral heavy econ opening. Losing about 1k minerals in queens, ovies, spores to the phoenix harass was definitely damaging to Sen, but obviously not enough to cost him the game. I think if Naniwa mixed in some voids it might have been a bit of a different story. Additionally, Sen lost zero drones through that whole process despite the phoenixes having enough energy to do some drone harass. Sen completely was able to equalize the game when his muta/corruptor mix harassed Naniwa's nat and was able to kill 5-6 probes, the phoenixes and force cannons. Naniwa then attacked at probably the worst possible time -- 3rd base up but no probes there, robo bay + 2 immortals for no reason -- and didn't get off any good FFs. He could have attacked earlier before the spine crawlers + zerglings got out of control, or potentially saturated his third and got some HTs. But the attack that he did obviously proved to be quite poor. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:00 Callous wrote: While Idra is really good, I can't help but feel that outcome would've been to dignitas' favour if Idra played that ace instead of Sen. They're both amazing players in their own right though. I agree, sort of... but only because IdrA seems to be a bit more predictable than Sen. Besides that, it's really senseless to apply transitive relations to find out who is the better zerg between, say IdrA, Sen and probably Dimaga.. playing styles, bos, maps and even spawning positions play a much larger role in the outcome of a match when skillsets are somewhat comparable. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:07 Skyze wrote: Anyone arguing Idra is better than Sen... is biased as hell, or just stuck in the past .. Hell, I think Sen was even better in BW. Lets face it, if Sen was more known in the spotlight, it wouldnt even be a debate. In terms of SKILL and TALENT.. Sen is miles ahead of Idra. Then why hasnt he been able to stick as well in the GSL? It's a valid question. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44105 Posts
They're both awesome. /argument | ||
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Gescom
Canada3358 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What's up with the Sen vs. IdrA controversy? They're both awesome. /argument Exactly... no need to even bring that up. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What's up with the Sen vs. IdrA controversy? They're both awesome. /argument QFT. Why does everything have to degrade to a, who's better than who? How does that accomplish anything? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:08 Serpico wrote: Then why hasnt he been able to stick as well in the GSL? It's a valid question. He played in only one GSL whereas Idra has played in several. In the one GSL he played in he was solidly within Code A, and as we have seen lately there are many Code A players who are fully capable of giving Code S players a run for their money. GSL has a lot of randomness so it's not the case that a player who has made it further in the GSL is automatically better (or else TSL_Rain would be one of the best players ever), not to mention Idra since he came back from the GSL hasn't looked as deadly as he was - though I suspect some of that is balance psychology. Keep in mind that Sen is an university student, not a full-time pro-gamer. He doesn't attend nearly the same number of tournaments that IdrA does and likely has periods when he doesn't practice nearly as much. This shows in some of Sen's games as he looked a lot weaker a few months ago than he does now. To say that Idra is definitely better than Sen is to forget that their BW careers were quite close, if not in favor of Sen. Idra gets A LOT of cred (and deserving cred) for going to Korea and competing there for BW. But Sen actually dominated the foreigner's scene for BW for at least a year and he came out on top of Idra in the TSL 2. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
GG's fnatic, close series. Impressive number of viewers (10K) despite TSL being on. Can't wait if there is another series. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:08 Serpico wrote: Then why hasnt he been able to stick as well in the GSL? It's a valid question. Huh sen only played in 1 gsl and lost to nestea in r32. No shame in losing a zvz to nestea. Sen just didn't want to stay in korea long term to compete in more gsl. You can't just use how far someone went in gsl as a measuring stick without any context, otherwise you will have to argue that anypro prime is one of the best for making top 4. Plus you already saw how many people talked crap about july and he made the finals. Rain also made a gsl finals. On March 21 2011 08:03 Serpico wrote: He also thinks huk is liquid's second best player. Huk is the 2nd best liquid player. My liquid rankings would go like this. Jinro Huk Ret Tlo Haypro Tyler | ||
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mdma-_-
Nauru1213 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:08 Serpico wrote: Then why hasnt he been able to stick as well in the GSL? It's a valid question. lol sen played 1 gsl. (season 3) He lost to nestea in the ro32. (who was the defending champion) Sen was invited by gom for code A qualifiers but since he is still attending university he chose not to go to korea. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:08 Serpico wrote: Then why hasnt he been able to stick as well in the GSL? It's a valid question. 1. He barely lost to IMNestea in Ro of 32.. IdrA would have almost certainly lost that match too BTW. 2. He attends school in and probably makes good money in Taiwan, where SC2 is a televised sport. He had little reason to move to Korea, and thus he only played in one GSL, whereas IdrA played in all of them. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On a side note, so sad not to see Naniwa in TSL, he is just so freaking good. | ||
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