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On March 14 2011 12:44 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:43 L3g3nd_ wrote:On March 14 2011 12:40 1Eris1 wrote: IdrA should just not make hydras. go go roaches. hydra are so good against stalkers though, and they have more range. if he went roach it would have been a lot worse for idra Not really, thats a myth. Hydras barely even beat stalkers cost for cost. well its all relaitve, roach are good cos of their health, stalker are good cos of their insane DPS. in an equal cost fight ling hydra will dominate mass stalker
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Are you people really arguing idra's build? :|
He went hydra/ling/corruptor.
Kiwi went colossus/stalker.
IdrA didn't even lose many hydra to colossus before they died, but hydra are simply just not good vs stalkers that 1. have blink, 2. are off creep, 3. have chokes, 4. have force fields.
I agree he should of got roaches, but only because it's the ONLY thing that would of worked. IdrA couldn't attack kiwi's third because zerglings can't fight cannons + force field, and hydra cannot do shit off creep... only roaches or mass muta can be used to counter greedy protoss..
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kiwikaki has such boss pvz.
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On March 14 2011 12:35 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:33 Daoism wrote: idra always looks strong in the beginning. but when the toss gets the deathball going he just crumbles it seems. Honest question: what Zergs don't crumble to that? I mean, I haven't seen a single Zerg handle that in a reasonable manner, even when they're up on bases. bad choice of words on my part. your right. what i mean is that zergs in general always have that nice flow when allowed to macro. but then they have that one crucial engagment and get stomped and it just feels like they just crumble because they cant do anything.
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On March 14 2011 12:47 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:44 1Eris1 wrote:On March 14 2011 12:43 L3g3nd_ wrote:On March 14 2011 12:40 1Eris1 wrote: IdrA should just not make hydras. go go roaches. hydra are so good against stalkers though, and they have more range. if he went roach it would have been a lot worse for idra Not really, thats a myth. Hydras barely even beat stalkers cost for cost. stalker are good cos of their insane DPS
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stalker have like the worst cost / dps in the game. even upgraded, they are trash, they do like half the dps of hydras
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On March 14 2011 12:44 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:41 bkrow wrote:On March 14 2011 12:39 bkrow wrote:On March 14 2011 12:38 bkrow wrote:ROOTKiWiKaKi vs EGStrifeCro on Blistering Sands coming up now! Kiwi spawns at the 7/8 oclock position, Strifecro at the 2 oclock position.. Kiwi going 14 gateway, while Strife goes pool & gas first.. Strife still hasn't dropped his expo; 2 gases now for Kiwi and Strife gets a scout in.. Strife now drops his expo.. seemed really late? edit: was around 21/22 Kiwi drops a 4th gateway; looking similar to the last game! Roach warren is almost done for Strife.. Please open the production tab 6 sentries out for Kiwi - looking for that zealot, sentry push.. Kiwi moves out into IdrA's natural; forcefields block the ramp to the main; strifecro trying to hold until the spine crawlers can pop.. Roaches on the way for StrifeCro as Kiwi backs off.. Expands and drops a robo Glial reconstitution is on the way as well as burrow.. so lair is obviously done Collossus tech is on the way for Kiwi, Strife drops an evo chamber.. Strife goes up to snipe the zealot at the watchtower and Kiwi force fields roaches on the platform! and Kiwi wipes most of them out! very clever play by Kiwi! Collossus are on the way; Kiwi is ahead in harvesters and Kiwi is motioning to take the gold expansion.. While Strifecro has already taken his but has to stop Kiwi from mirroring his expansion rate..
115 supply for Kiwi.. Strife motions towards Kiwi's rocks but has to back off.. No spire is up and collossus are out.. Kiwi is just dominating the whole map with every engagement he forces Strife to back out..
Strife is able to sneak into Kiwi's main and then natural and targets some probes - he forces them to stop mining and kills some.. Kiwi has his gold expansion up; Strife tries to harass it but is forced back.. Mass roach for StrifeCro; did he not see Kiwikaki's stalker micro
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On March 14 2011 12:48 LuckyFool wrote: kiwikaki has such boss pvz. pretty easy to look boss after realizing that you can expand while pressuring and teching and be absolutely safe
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Strifco doing all the zergs a favor testing out if completely skipping hydra can pay off
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On March 14 2011 12:51 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:44 bkrow wrote:On March 14 2011 12:41 bkrow wrote:On March 14 2011 12:39 bkrow wrote:On March 14 2011 12:38 bkrow wrote:ROOTKiWiKaKi vs EGStrifeCro on Blistering Sands coming up now! Kiwi spawns at the 7/8 oclock position, Strifecro at the 2 oclock position.. Kiwi going 14 gateway, while Strife goes pool & gas first.. Strife still hasn't dropped his expo; 2 gases now for Kiwi and Strife gets a scout in.. Strife now drops his expo.. seemed really late? edit: was around 21/22 Kiwi drops a 4th gateway; looking similar to the last game! Roach warren is almost done for Strife.. Please open the production tab 6 sentries out for Kiwi - looking for that zealot, sentry push.. Kiwi moves out into IdrA's natural; forcefields block the ramp to the main; strifecro trying to hold until the spine crawlers can pop.. Roaches on the way for StrifeCro as Kiwi backs off.. Expands and drops a robo Glial reconstitution is on the way as well as burrow.. so lair is obviously done Collossus tech is on the way for Kiwi, Strife drops an evo chamber.. Strife goes up to snipe the zealot at the watchtower and Kiwi force fields roaches on the platform! and Kiwi wipes most of them out! very clever play by Kiwi! Collossus are on the way; Kiwi is ahead in harvesters and Kiwi is motioning to take the gold expansion.. While Strifecro has already taken his but has to stop Kiwi from mirroring his expansion rate.. 115 supply for Kiwi.. Strife motions towards Kiwi's rocks but has to back off.. No spire is up and collossus are out.. Kiwi is just dominating the whole map with every engagement he forces Strife to back out.. Strife is able to sneak into Kiwi's main and then natural and targets some probes - he forces them to stop mining and kills some.. Kiwi has his gold expansion up; Strife tries to harass it but is forced back.. Mass roach for StrifeCro; did he not see Kiwikaki's stalker micro Strifecro pushes into Kiwi's gold and gets completely flanked by Kiwi's main army.. and all his roaches get cleaned up..
139 supply for Kiwi vs 120 for Strife.. More roaches being sent to their death at Kiwi's gold.. Blink is on the way as he noticed the mass roach play; Strife starts mixing in some lings but there is nothing to counter the collossus.. Both players move into each others gold!
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gretorp epic fail on camera missing attack at bottom..
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gretorp really needs a co-caster, he misses so much ;x
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On March 14 2011 12:52 crms wrote: gretorp epic fail on camera missing attack at bottom..
Yeah I am liking his casting but he keeps missing fights.
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Strifeco going july style but has no spire. Kiwikaki to soon overrun via mass collosus.
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On March 14 2011 12:47 Mailing wrote: Are you people really arguing idra's build? :|
He went hydra/ling/corruptor.
Kiwi went colossus/stalker.
IdrA didn't even lose many hydra to colossus before they died, but hydra are simply just not good vs stalkers that 1. have blink, 2. are off creep, 3. have chokes, 4. have force fields.
I agree he should of got roaches, but only because it's the ONLY thing that would of worked. IdrA couldn't attack kiwi's third because zerglings can't fight cannons + force field, and hydra cannot do shit off creep... only roaches or mass muta can be used to counter greedy protoss.. if roach was better than ling hydra, wouldnt idra have gone roach? hes the best foreign zerg, and one of the best zergs in the world. im pretty sure he knows the best way to play vs late game blink stalker
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On March 14 2011 12:52 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:47 Mailing wrote: Are you people really arguing idra's build? :|
He went hydra/ling/corruptor.
Kiwi went colossus/stalker.
IdrA didn't even lose many hydra to colossus before they died, but hydra are simply just not good vs stalkers that 1. have blink, 2. are off creep, 3. have chokes, 4. have force fields.
I agree he should of got roaches, but only because it's the ONLY thing that would of worked. IdrA couldn't attack kiwi's third because zerglings can't fight cannons + force field, and hydra cannot do shit off creep... only roaches or mass muta can be used to counter greedy protoss.. if roach was better than ling hydra, wouldnt idra have gone roach? hes the best foreign zerg, and one of the best zergs in the world. im pretty sure he knows the best way to play vs late game blink stalker Kiwi takes out Strife's main, as Strife takes out Kiwi's main.. It has turned into a base race, but Kiwi looks much stronger.. Base Race! Go go go!
edit: lol wrong quote but you get the idea
Kiwi pulls back to fend off Strife's forces.. and Strife pulls out; Kiwi catches his army and wipes out his army .. Kiwi still has a massive ball left and Strife GGs!
EG 3 : 3 ROOT .. and i have to go! ><
Hopefully be back in 15min!
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On March 14 2011 12:47 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:44 1Eris1 wrote:On March 14 2011 12:43 L3g3nd_ wrote:On March 14 2011 12:40 1Eris1 wrote: IdrA should just not make hydras. go go roaches. hydra are so good against stalkers though, and they have more range. if he went roach it would have been a lot worse for idra Not really, thats a myth. Hydras barely even beat stalkers cost for cost. well its all relaitve, roach are good cos of their health, stalker are good cos of their insane DPS. in an equal cost fight ling hydra will dominate mass stalker
You're ignoring blink. Normal stalkers get crushed by hydras, good blink micro throws all the math off. I don't think they're imbalanced though. Now that infestors deal extra damage to armored infestor/hydra will obliterate blink stalkers.
Idra needed either infestors or ultras, or both. And yes, ultras are great against blink stalkers. They both deal critical damage to them and tank lots of damage while hydras DPS. They actually force blink stalkers to immediately run away or die.
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lol that was a valiant effort by strifecro but kiwi too smart cutting off the exit.
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On March 14 2011 12:54 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 12:47 L3g3nd_ wrote:On March 14 2011 12:44 1Eris1 wrote:On March 14 2011 12:43 L3g3nd_ wrote:On March 14 2011 12:40 1Eris1 wrote: IdrA should just not make hydras. go go roaches. hydra are so good against stalkers though, and they have more range. if he went roach it would have been a lot worse for idra Not really, thats a myth. Hydras barely even beat stalkers cost for cost. well its all relaitve, roach are good cos of their health, stalker are good cos of their insane DPS. in an equal cost fight ling hydra will dominate mass stalker You're ignoring blink. Normal stalkers get crushed by hydras, good blink micro throws all the math off. I don't think they're imbalanced though. Now that infestors deal extra damage to armored infestor/hydra will obliterate blink stalkers. Idra needed either infestors or ultras, or both. And yes, ultras are great against blink stalkers. They both deal critical damage to them and tank lots of damage while hydras DPS. They actually force blink stalkers to immediately run away or die. Blink has the same affect on roach as it does hydra.
idra was going for hydra/infestor. he had some infestors out at the very end, but kiwikaki had already won
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Domination by KiWiKaKi on BS
3-3... I wonder if EG is regretting their decision to let KiWi play
Ace match now!
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On March 14 2011 12:51 IdrA wrote:pretty easy to look boss after realizing that you can expand while pressuring and teching and be absolutely safe isn't it great when a race can do the big 3 at once. ATTACK EXPAND TECH. i feel ur pain
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