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OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
March 02 2011 13:06 GMT
#1461
On March 02 2011 22:04 seiferoth10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:03 phisku wrote:
I don't understand why people are so impressed with moonglade, his style is pretty common imo.


Have to agree with you here. Yeah he's good, but it's not like he's ActionJesus or anything...


Fixed it for you Well, since I havn't seen so much of moonglade before he is impressing me a bit.
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 02 2011 13:06 GMT
#1462
On March 02 2011 22:05 azurespace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Glade up 1-0
Meta close-by-air positions

Hatch first
Fenix gets a refinery, so no rush


Actually not. Reaper!


reaper first is not a rush T.T
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
March 02 2011 13:06 GMT
#1463
On March 02 2011 22:04 chrisolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:01 Phats wrote:
Hunter Seeker Missile coulda been mighty useful there. Too bad terrans don't think outside of the box!


No. Every Zerg player playing Massmuta will always keep an eye on their Mutaball and no HSM would EVER hit. So you would only lose the ressources spent on this tech. Also the time you build the raven, you cannot build medivacs, which are really important, if you lose medivacs like Fenix did in this game



The point is to keep the mutas out of battle.

If a zerg is running from HSM, they are not defending a hatchery from a marine push.

If a zerg makes a single micro mistake, their ball takes 100 damage, etc.

It's not too reliable maybe, but we never see it tried :o
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 13:08:59
March 02 2011 13:06 GMT
#1464
On March 02 2011 22:02 Rabiator wrote:
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On March 02 2011 21:57 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On March 02 2011 21:56 hifriend wrote:
Anyone remember a couple of years ago when idra said in an interview that muta harass with unlimited selection would be impossible to balance? :p


would be true if you could micro mutas like in bw, still have 20 explosive dmg turrets and without thors that shoot irradiates ~

I think moonglade shows us that Mutas in massive numbers works anyways ... and I think that is partly true because people usually build "one turret" and think they are safe.


well it was true here cause fenix responded bad and got heavily outplayed. the price you pay for such powerful harrass is a weak force in direct confrontations. mutas are terribly weak in direct fights for their cost.

fenix didnt adapt at all and wasted tons of small groups instead of trying to force the Z into a fight.


On March 02 2011 22:06 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:04 chrisolo wrote:
On March 02 2011 22:01 Phats wrote:
Hunter Seeker Missile coulda been mighty useful there. Too bad terrans don't think outside of the box!


No. Every Zerg player playing Massmuta will always keep an eye on their Mutaball and no HSM would EVER hit. So you would only lose the ressources spent on this tech. Also the time you build the raven, you cannot build medivacs, which are really important, if you lose medivacs like Fenix did in this game



The point is to keep the mutas out of battle.

If a zerg is running from HSM, they are not defending a hatchery from a marine push.

If a zerg makes a single micro mistake, their ball takes 100 damage, etc.

It's not too reliable maybe, but we never see it tried :o



this is true and can work. problem is that the 200 gas means a thor ,2 medivacs or 1 1/2 tank less. in addition to the research and the medivac production time you lose from switching onto tech lab . plus the LONG waiting time till hsm is ready.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
March 02 2011 13:06 GMT
#1465
On March 02 2011 22:03 phisku wrote:
I don't understand why people are so impressed with moonglade, his style is pretty common imo.


Really? You are seeing lots of zergs winning at top tournaments with his style?
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
March 02 2011 13:06 GMT
#1466
On March 02 2011 22:05 Garnet wrote:
Looks like many players don't play with HP bar on. Are they not allowed to?


They are allowed but i remember i think ttone saying he just didnt like it cluttering his screen, although i think the advantage of microing easier waaay outweights that.
meowmasta
Profile Joined September 2010
146 Posts
March 02 2011 13:07 GMT
#1467
On March 02 2011 22:03 jjmmtt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:03 phisku wrote:
I don't understand why people are so impressed with moonglade, his style is pretty common imo.


It's because he's winning with it.


If the "style" is so common you would think people can stop it, but we all know that's easier said than done. All in all, it's more about game sense and basic macro/micro fundamentals that does the trick.
Phats
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia534 Posts
March 02 2011 13:07 GMT
#1468
ummm he cant exactly just magic box vs 3-4 thors if there is a risk of a HSM one shotting his entire army... and MAJOR tech swap my ass he went banshees and had starport/techlabs everywhere...

Ultramus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States319 Posts
March 02 2011 13:07 GMT
#1469
Yay, I love mass muta play <3 I especially wish I would have seen him immediately get carapace upgrades on them, it really helps vs turrets and marines to make sure you keep a very large muta count. Micro-ing mutalisks is my favorite thing to do in this game. "Oh you made tanks?? I'll just never engage on the ground"
Baking is like science for hungry people
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
March 02 2011 13:07 GMT
#1470
On March 02 2011 22:01 PraetorianX wrote:
Wow, I can't believe myself.

Day9 and friggin' TLO is casting a massive tournament and I discover it NOW, having missed the majority of the games CRAP!

I was browsing the non-featured streams and there were a couple with 8k viewers. I was like "hmm, wat is dis.... ZOMG ITS DAY9 AND TLO"

Now I just feel sad. I assume there are VOD:s if you pay 6,5€?

which stream is day9 and TLO
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1471
what micro?
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1472
On March 02 2011 22:07 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:01 PraetorianX wrote:
Wow, I can't believe myself.

Day9 and friggin' TLO is casting a massive tournament and I discover it NOW, having missed the majority of the games CRAP!

I was browsing the non-featured streams and there were a couple with 8k viewers. I was like "hmm, wat is dis.... ZOMG ITS DAY9 AND TLO"

Now I just feel sad. I assume there are VOD:s if you pay 6,5€?

which stream is day9 and TLO


http://www.own3d.tv/live/5093/ESL_TV_Event_2
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 13:08:42
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1473
On March 02 2011 22:06 Corrupted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:03 phisku wrote:
I don't understand why people are so impressed with moonglade, his style is pretty common imo.


Really? You are seeing lots of zergs winning at top tournaments with his style?

Honestly this is what Idra used to to up until very recently. He stayed on Lair tech for a long time and massed mutas with constant harass. There are a few differences between them but for the most part they were both very lair/muta centric.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1474
Absolute fail micro of the Hellions.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
weaknurse
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia320 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1475
I have an even lower opinion of Fenix now, terrible.
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1476
On March 02 2011 22:07 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:01 PraetorianX wrote:
Wow, I can't believe myself.

Day9 and friggin' TLO is casting a massive tournament and I discover it NOW, having missed the majority of the games CRAP!

I was browsing the non-featured streams and there were a couple with 8k viewers. I was like "hmm, wat is dis.... ZOMG ITS DAY9 AND TLO"

Now I just feel sad. I assume there are VOD:s if you pay 6,5€?

which stream is day9 and TLO


The official ESL.tv stream in the menu on the right.
Such flammable little insects!
ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1477
Actually mass muta ( real mass , 50+) is being extremely successful in korean ladder.
meowmasta
Profile Joined September 2010
146 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1478
Seems to me that Fenix just doesn't have the refined play that Moonglade has.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1479
bling nest and melee +1 for glade.
Also getting his 3rd


Hellion "harrass" by fenix killing a lot of zerglings, but are forced to retreat.

Fenix initiation a drop.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2610 Posts
March 02 2011 13:08 GMT
#1480
On March 02 2011 22:06 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:04 chrisolo wrote:
On March 02 2011 22:01 Phats wrote:
Hunter Seeker Missile coulda been mighty useful there. Too bad terrans don't think outside of the box!


No. Every Zerg player playing Massmuta will always keep an eye on their Mutaball and no HSM would EVER hit. So you would only lose the ressources spent on this tech. Also the time you build the raven, you cannot build medivacs, which are really important, if you lose medivacs like Fenix did in this game



The point is to keep the mutas out of battle.

If a zerg is running from HSM, they are not defending a hatchery from a marine push.

If a zerg makes a single micro mistake, their ball takes 100 damage, etc.

It's not too reliable maybe, but we never see it tried :o


Actually I didnt think about the defensive use of HSM, which would secure him the gold and maybe even fourth base. So I agree, maybe it would have been worth a try, though Fenix was dead already.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
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