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On February 22 2011 03:30 GP wrote:
Moon seems like an odd choice. He's a petty mediocre player overall, hell Lyn would have been a much better choice. Of all the players they could have invited, Moon?
Lyn is in Code S now and Carmac said it is impossible for Code S player to go to IEM because of scheduling at GSL... That's why IdrA is the only Code S player, he wouldn't have participated anyway.
For Code A player GSL was able to reschedule it so they could participate though.
While Moon might not be the best Code A player either he is going to bring many Warcraft 3 fans to watch the IEM stream I guess... might be a reason, maybe?
On February 22 2011 03:33 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:31 ptbl wrote:
People shouldn't complain about Idra getting an invite. He's a GSL player (or was). He deserves it on that merit alone. Well, there's a lot of GSL players, you can't invite them all, so that's a pretty lame reason. The fact that he got second at Cologne is much more deserving.
He's the most accomplished of all the available GSL players though.
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On February 22 2011 03:33 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:31 ptbl wrote:
People shouldn't complain about Idra getting an invite. He's a GSL player (or was). He deserves it on that merit alone. Well, there's a lot of GSL players, you can't invite them all, so that's a pretty lame reason. The fact that he got second at Cologne is much more deserving.
Well, he's probably the biggest name that IEM could get out of the GSL players. After all, Idra is pulling out of korea and moving back to the states.
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On February 22 2011 03:37 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:30 GP wrote:
Moon seems like an odd choice. He's a petty mediocre player overall, hell Lyn would have been a much better choice. Of all the players they could have invited, Moon? Lyn is in Code S now and Carmac said it is impossible for Code S player to go to IEM because of scheduling at GSL... That's why IdrA is the only Code S player, he wouldn't have participated anyway. For Code A player GSL was able to reschedule it so they could participate though. While Moon might not be the best Code A player either he is going to bring many Warcraft 3 fans to watch the IEM stream I guess... might be a reason, maybe?
Yeah of coarse, sorry must have missed the bit about Code S. I always feel wary about inviting the popular players over the better players, but I guess they've got to do what they've got to do.
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Wtf, are people seriously bitching about Idra invitation?
As already said, they can NOT invite code S players due to schedule conflicts.
As Idra does not play now, they can invite him and get the best players possible.
Pretty sure Idra is better than most code A players.
TSL invites where much more dodgy imo.
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On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced
screw fair and tournament rules lol... now that idra is in, i'm actually gonan watch this thing now...
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idra deserves it way more then anyother guy you could put there!
Because he got 2nd place in gamescon, is the "best" foreign zerg, is out of GSL now, GSL code S can't be changed because it's a group and it would mess with 4 players! so no nestea, fruitdealer, check etc.. etc..
it's fair, balanced and inteligent to get idra! well done by ESL
Sorry NewmaN but in my opinion there is nothing to talk about.. esl did the right choice!
Squirtle and Ace are also very good and can take this tournament if they perform!
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Idra must be the favorite now. After all his training in Korea, I don't see the others taking him down. There is a small chance that the koreans take him out, but other than that he's going to own the western players.
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On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen.
Or rather, if you want more people to watch your tournament, you should probably invite one of the best Zerg players in the world, and definitely one of the most deserving. Which in turn helps esports grow.
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Good choices, some exciting players but perhaps not too much of a class above (there's a lot to be said for consistancy) so it should still be interesting. Idra a strong favourite depending on maps?
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On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen.
There's no denying that the best SC2 players in the world are in Code S of the GSL. Unfortunately, their schedule can't be changed because it would affect 4 players. Fortunately for IEM, Idra is withdrawing, so they seized the opportunity and invited him. Idra is one of the best players in the world, why not invite him? He automatically becomes the favorite to win IEM.
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On February 22 2011 03:51 Asha` wrote:
Good choices, some exciting players but perhaps not too much of a class above (there's a lot to be said for consistancy) so it should still be interesting. Idra a strong favourite depending on maps?
Is IEM going to use GSL maps? I don't think it's fair if they have steppes, blistering sand, etc in the map pool. IEM has been in contact with the GSL, so maybe they'll use their maps?
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Wow... Idra hasn't bm'd in tournaments. His interviews can be a bit whiney, but mostly it's at least backed up with some analysis and it's very difficult to completely disagree with him. Also, in tournaments he's GG's every time for quite some time now.
It's just a ladder thing, who even cares about that? That being said though, rooting for Morrow vs Idra finals. 
On February 22 2011 03:55 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:51 Asha` wrote:
Good choices, some exciting players but perhaps not too much of a class above (there's a lot to be said for consistancy) so it should still be interesting. Idra a strong favourite depending on maps? Is IEM going to use GSL maps? I don't think it's fair if they have steppes, blistering sand, etc in the map pool. IEM has been in contact with the GSL, so maybe they'll use their maps?
afaik they'll use at least some of the iccup maps
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i will certainly be rooting for idra and the zergs but... this line up is not too shabby... i learned to never underestimate the europeans... they always somehow pull out wins with less fanfare...
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On February 22 2011 03:54 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen. There's no denying that the best SC2 players in the world are in Code S of the GSL. Unfortunately, their schedule can't be changed because it would affect 4 players. Fortunately for IEM, Idra is withdrawing, so they seized the opportunity and invited him. Idra is one of the best players in the world, why not invite him? He automatically becomes the favorite to win IEM.
GSL has got nothing to do with this, Idra shouldn't have been invited because he alread tried to qualify but didn't.
There were lots of players to choose from but ESL went the "easy" route and picked Idra, flushing their integrity down the drain at the same time.
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On February 22 2011 03:55 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:51 Asha` wrote:
Good choices, some exciting players but perhaps not too much of a class above (there's a lot to be said for consistancy) so it should still be interesting. Idra a strong favourite depending on maps? Is IEM going to use GSL maps? I don't think it's fair if they have steppes, blistering sand, etc in the map pool. IEM has been in contact with the GSL, so maybe they'll use their maps?
On the other hand it would be bad for all the other qualifiers as they probably couldn't get enough serious training on those maps. I don't think they will use them.
I like the choices overall.
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On February 22 2011 03:55 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:51 Asha` wrote:
Good choices, some exciting players but perhaps not too much of a class above (there's a lot to be said for consistancy) so it should still be interesting. Idra a strong favourite depending on maps? Is IEM going to use GSL maps? I don't think it's fair if they have steppes, blistering sand, etc in the map pool. IEM has been in contact with the GSL, so maybe they'll use their maps?
They have started using 2 iccup maps a while ago in their weekly cups and stuff.
But I wouldn't be surprised if they finished the running IEM season with the current laddermaps, maybe even Kulas and Desert Oasis?
I can't remember how they handled IEM Kiew, but I'd guess(!) they're going to use the same at Cebit they used in Kiew.
If they were going to use the GSL maps they would've announced that already I think, otherwise it wouldn't be fair for the foreigners (except IdrA and Moonglade) because they have 0 practice on those maps... Squirtle would GSTL all over them 
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motbob
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· Blistering Sands
· Jungle Basin
· Scrap Station
· Steppes of War
· Xel'Naga Caverns
· Delta Quadrant
· Lost Temple
· Metalopolis
· Shakuras Plateau
There's the map pool according to the official rules, found at http://gfx.esl-europe.net/gfx/media/masters/rulebook/Intel_Extreme_Masters_SeasonV_Rulebook.pdf
The left player in the match details on the ESL website will decide which player starts the map elimination process. The players then take turns eliminating maps from the pool until 3 maps are left. The player who started he elimination process will pick the first map to be played. The other player will pick the second map. The last map will be used as decider map if needed.
So this means we're going to be seeing a lot of Xel'Naga Caverns, Metalopolis, and Shakuras Plateau.
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That's a horrible map pool...
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On February 22 2011 04:03 ptbl wrote:That's a horrible map pool...
I'm sure they're going to change it up next season.
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On February 22 2011 04:04 FliedLice wrote:I'm sure they're going to change it up next season.
I just don't understand why ESL can't change it in mid-season? The GSL changed their map pool without any hiccups.
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EPT
