|
I took one week of my holidays next week. I don't know if I'm going to Hannover but I'll make sure to watch as many of the games of SC2, Quake, and CS.
On the maps: I really hope they will use the current ESL map pool. Shawn if you read this...don't stick to the old maps, this time there are zergs in the tourney and I don't want to be drowned in zerg tears.
|
On February 22 2011 04:00 dignitasNewmaN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:54 ptbl wrote:On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen. There's no denying that the best SC2 players in the world are in Code S of the GSL. Unfortunately, their schedule can't be changed because it would affect 4 players. Fortunately for IEM, Idra is withdrawing, so they seized the opportunity and invited him. Idra is one of the best players in the world, why not invite him? He automatically becomes the favorite to win IEM. GSL has got nothing to do with this, Idra shouldn't have been invited because he alread tried to qualify but didn't. There were lots of players to choose from but ESL went the "easy" route and picked Idra, flushing their integrity down the drain at the same time.
i understand by the letter it might be unfair to other players...
but as a fan and spectator... IEM gained whole bunch of points by inviting Idra..
i couldn't care less about their integrity lol as long they have players i like to watch...
|
Fantastic invites. Anyone know what the match schedule will be yet?
|
motbob
United States12546 Posts
The way ESL does map selections means that the standard 9 Blizz map pool isn't so terrible. There's virtually no way we'd see Delta, Steppes, or Jungle Basin in a PvZ, for example, since the zerg player can effectively thumbs down 3 maps.
|
On February 22 2011 04:05 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:04 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 04:03 ptbl wrote:That's a horrible map pool... I'm sure they're going to change it up next season. I just don't understand why ESL can't change it in mid-season? The GSL changed their map pool without any hiccups. Yeah and they did it after the season ended...
|
motbob
United States12546 Posts
I PMed Carmac about the map pool for the world championship BTW, so we might see an official statement soon!
|
On February 22 2011 04:09 motbob wrote:
I PMed Carmac about the map pool for the world championship BTW, so we might see an official statement soon!
right now he has some other problems^^
|
On February 22 2011 04:09 Weavel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:05 ptbl wrote:On February 22 2011 04:04 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 04:03 ptbl wrote:That's a horrible map pool... I'm sure they're going to change it up next season. I just don't understand why ESL can't change it in mid-season? The GSL changed their map pool without any hiccups. Yeah and they did it after the season ended...
GSL tournament spans a year. For more info check out http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190136
|
On February 22 2011 04:04 FliedLice wrote:I'm sure they're going to change it up next season.
Just please reach some sort of agreement with the GSL so that the ESL can use their maps. It would really help SC2 on a global scale, plus the GSL would also benefit from it.
On the invites :
Idra - Loving it. By far the best player available.
Squirtle and Ace - Very solid invites. I am really, really exited.
Moon - Somewhat similar to the TSL-Invite for Boxer. You get a great player who is a absolutely iconic figure in e-sports as a whole.
|
On February 22 2011 04:11 Influ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:09 motbob wrote:
I PMed Carmac about the map pool for the world championship BTW, so we might see an official statement soon! right now he has some other problems^^
yeah rofl, was just about to say
he's getting his ass handed to him on the ladder :D
|
On February 22 2011 04:00 dignitasNewmaN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:54 ptbl wrote:On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen. There's no denying that the best SC2 players in the world are in Code S of the GSL. Unfortunately, their schedule can't be changed because it would affect 4 players. Fortunately for IEM, Idra is withdrawing, so they seized the opportunity and invited him. Idra is one of the best players in the world, why not invite him? He automatically becomes the favorite to win IEM. GSL has got nothing to do with this, Idra shouldn't have been invited because he alread tried to qualify but didn't. There were lots of players to choose from but ESL went the "easy" route and picked Idra, flushing their integrity down the drain at the same time.
Who should they have invited instead?
IdrA is the best player they could get and it would be foolish not to try and get him.
|
On February 22 2011 04:14 Ikuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:00 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:54 ptbl wrote:On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen. There's no denying that the best SC2 players in the world are in Code S of the GSL. Unfortunately, their schedule can't be changed because it would affect 4 players. Fortunately for IEM, Idra is withdrawing, so they seized the opportunity and invited him. Idra is one of the best players in the world, why not invite him? He automatically becomes the favorite to win IEM. GSL has got nothing to do with this, Idra shouldn't have been invited because he alread tried to qualify but didn't. There were lots of players to choose from but ESL went the "easy" route and picked Idra, flushing their integrity down the drain at the same time. Who should they have invited instead? IdrA is the best player they could get and it would be foolish not to try and get him.
They could have picked a bronze player from the Korean ladder for all I care, that is not the point.
|
You don't seem to get the point. Idra had his chances to qualify for this with both the American qualifier and attending IEM Cologne. Now he's taking one of the spots from the Korean invites who had no chances at all to qualify for this, right? Alright if it was some foreigner invite he got but this is just wrong and bad by ESL. They should've given that invite to some Korean player.
|
cant wait to see idra vs morrow :D :D
|
On February 22 2011 04:20 dignitasNewmaN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:14 Ikuu wrote:On February 22 2011 04:00 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:54 ptbl wrote:On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen. There's no denying that the best SC2 players in the world are in Code S of the GSL. Unfortunately, their schedule can't be changed because it would affect 4 players. Fortunately for IEM, Idra is withdrawing, so they seized the opportunity and invited him. Idra is one of the best players in the world, why not invite him? He automatically becomes the favorite to win IEM. GSL has got nothing to do with this, Idra shouldn't have been invited because he alread tried to qualify but didn't. There were lots of players to choose from but ESL went the "easy" route and picked Idra, flushing their integrity down the drain at the same time. Who should they have invited instead? IdrA is the best player they could get and it would be foolish not to try and get him. They could have picked a bronze player from the Korean ladder for all I care, that is not the point.
As long as you are just speculating that IdrA took part in one or more US qualifiers your argument has absolutely NO meaning to it. Only if you know you can state something like you are trying to do now aka "IdrA took part in qualifiers and failed which means he should not be invited over someone who didn't even take part in a qualifier but is insanely good as well.
But that aside - I also agree that inviting IdrA is the right choice of ESL.
|
On February 22 2011 04:24 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:20 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 04:14 Ikuu wrote:On February 22 2011 04:00 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:54 ptbl wrote:On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:On February 22 2011 03:12 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
ESL - Fair and balanced still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen. There's no denying that the best SC2 players in the world are in Code S of the GSL. Unfortunately, their schedule can't be changed because it would affect 4 players. Fortunately for IEM, Idra is withdrawing, so they seized the opportunity and invited him. Idra is one of the best players in the world, why not invite him? He automatically becomes the favorite to win IEM. GSL has got nothing to do with this, Idra shouldn't have been invited because he alread tried to qualify but didn't. There were lots of players to choose from but ESL went the "easy" route and picked Idra, flushing their integrity down the drain at the same time. Who should they have invited instead? IdrA is the best player they could get and it would be foolish not to try and get him. They could have picked a bronze player from the Korean ladder for all I care, that is not the point. As long as you are just speculating that IdrA took part in one or more US qualifiers your argument has absolutely NO meaning to it. Only if you know you can state something like you are trying to do now aka "IdrA took part in qualifiers and failed which means he should not be invited over someone who didn't even take part in a qualifier but is insanely good as well. But that aside - I also agree that inviting IdrA is the right choice of ESL.
He did take part in the US qualifiers, that is a fact.
Edit: Proof http://www.nationalesl.com/us/player/3606178/
|
What are you guys talking about? Invites are never "fair" towards other players.
|
On February 22 2011 04:33 nam nam wrote:
What are you guys talking about? Invites are never "fair" towards other players.
No, but it can be made more fair if you invite someone who did not fail to qualify.
|
On February 22 2011 04:29 dignitasNewmaN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:24 mTw|NarutO wrote:On February 22 2011 04:20 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 04:14 Ikuu wrote:On February 22 2011 04:00 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:54 ptbl wrote:On February 22 2011 03:33 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:30 mdma-_- wrote:On February 22 2011 03:26 dignitasNewmaN wrote:On February 22 2011 03:17 FliedLice wrote:
[quote]
still bitching about idra? Yeah, I'm actually surprised I'm the only one reacting as well. he got 2nd in gamescom. Only inviting the winner from cologne was ridiculous in the first place. I am by no means an idra fan, but he is a solid choice to invite. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be there skill wise, he could probably win it all if he is in shape. The big picture though, do we not want our esport leagues and tournaments to actually follow their own rules, spirit of competition and fair play? Atleast in the long run. For esports to grow bigger we need this to happen. There's no denying that the best SC2 players in the world are in Code S of the GSL. Unfortunately, their schedule can't be changed because it would affect 4 players. Fortunately for IEM, Idra is withdrawing, so they seized the opportunity and invited him. Idra is one of the best players in the world, why not invite him? He automatically becomes the favorite to win IEM. GSL has got nothing to do with this, Idra shouldn't have been invited because he alread tried to qualify but didn't. There were lots of players to choose from but ESL went the "easy" route and picked Idra, flushing their integrity down the drain at the same time. Who should they have invited instead? IdrA is the best player they could get and it would be foolish not to try and get him. They could have picked a bronze player from the Korean ladder for all I care, that is not the point. As long as you are just speculating that IdrA took part in one or more US qualifiers your argument has absolutely NO meaning to it. Only if you know you can state something like you are trying to do now aka "IdrA took part in qualifiers and failed which means he should not be invited over someone who didn't even take part in a qualifier but is insanely good as well. But that aside - I also agree that inviting IdrA is the right choice of ESL. He did take part in the US qualifiers, that is a fact. Edit: Proof http://www.nationalesl.com/us/player/3606178/
Thats true that its not too fair. Now its up for the others to decide if its okay or not. For me personally it is okay, since IdrA just deserves this spot.
|
On February 22 2011 04:33 nam nam wrote:
What are you guys talking about? Invites are never "fair" towards other players.
These invites were meant for Korean players since they didn't have any qualifier for them. Idra however did get the chance to qualify, twice. That's why it doesn't make sense (for some of us) to invite him.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
