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On January 10 2011 03:32 qck wrote: Considering it's been revealed that Apollo was the designated on-site shoutcaster, I'll have to go by instinct and say that your sources seem pretty unreliable.
Politics politics. Sad that it even has a place in eSports, but there ya go.
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On January 10 2011 03:52 theSAiNT wrote: As someone who was actually at the event, I can report that the organizers were doing everything in their power to keep it running smoothly. There were unexpected hiccups and it's unfortunate the stream was down for the finals but we should appreciate the tournament as a whole. A great field of competitors showed up and played some entertaining games which for the most part were faultlessly streamed. The sponsors even had a representative there the whole day to talk to players and fans.
I was really psyched to attend such a big live event in my home city and really hope there will be more to come. As smile has said, there were lots of things to learn and improve on but we should all support their efforts and look forward to a bigger and better tournament next time.
Hear, hear. Overall, I enjoyed the tournament as a whole. The tournament had an awesome group of players, hardworking casters, and a sponsor that put down large amount of money.
Also, let's not forget that the tournament has a champion: TLO! He played amazing throughout the whole tournament. In the winner bracket's final, TLO was down 2-0 to Sjow, but came back with 3 wins in a row. Truly, it was a delight to see. TLO has truly come a long ways. His stay in Korea must have made a big difference. He's still creative, but his play is a lot more polished and refined.
I can't wait to see TLO in next week's tournament in the HomeStoryCup II. Good luck!
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People need to remember that esports is only in it's beginning phase, and that includes players, viewers, and tourney admins alike. Audiences for sports such as the UFC, or MMA, here in the US and other countries have only grown after rule changes were made and the sport itself became more watchable for the general audience. Things like eye poking and other rules had to be adjusted in order for the sport to grow and able to be made a mainstream sport, and be able to support fighters doing this as their full-time job.
With this said, Esports is a one-of-a-kind in the sense that it is part of a new generation. Driven by battle.net over the internet, streamed through the internet, and brackets for the most part being organized through the internet, are all supported on new technology, which is something new in itself. Players and viewers have to be aware that the process is new for everyone, as do the admins of tournaments, so priorities and rules are still in its infancy stage. Should the viewers have priority, or should the players have priority? The answer could be different in many scenarios, and could come to change over time.
In my opinion, as of right now it would be better have a fair game for the players, and then do the replay of the game if that is what has to be done. Right now, the main tournaments are supported by sponsors that want to get their name out to the people watching, and if a replay still gets the job done and the sponsors are fine with it I do not see the problem(and viewers shouldn't either). More people probably watch the VoDs in many cases than the live streams, so it would still benefit the sponsors in many cases...
People complain about the viewers demanding to know too much and etc., but that is the way things are now with the internet. The line of communication is just one "enter" button away, so it is easier to have your opinion voiced than ever before. Viewers should keep in mind that just because it is easy to type something, doesn't make that quick opinion something worthwhile to read. The people working behind the scenes (such as admins) also need to realize this is the case and therefore be able to handle what comes as "part of the business" yet keep a steady mind and keep trying to do all they can.
Players need to realize that although they want conditions to be great, sometimes it isn't only about playing the game. Tournament admins sometimes have a bigger agenda that they need to keep, with details they might not understand themselves. Malfunctions like this at the pokeridol tourney, will DEFINITELY keep on happening as long as it is over the internet, and players need to realize that if they just go off, they will be looked at in a negative light by many viewers who feel that those players are living the dream of so many gamers. People do put themselves in their shoes, and many viewers feel that they would be so lucky to be there in a tournament of such magnitude in the semifinals with such a big prize pool and people watching.
Yes, we know how much "progamers" practice in order to be good and be able to play at such a high level, but they should not by any means think they themselves are bigger than the game. Just like in any sport, players can be easily replaced by other talented players and the games will keep on rolling.
With this said, the community is what makes this so great in that we can all come together and discuss what has happened and how to improve. I did not watch this event, nor do I think it was necessary to for me to be able to post what I did. Everyone needs to give and take a little, at the same time knowing that what we are going through with Esports has never been done before so there is no "past history" to be able to look at and learn from. The way we handle things now is what paves the way for the future, and we can all contribute in a better manner most of the time. Keep on moving forward community
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I received this email from Pokeridol after participating in one of their freerolls. Apparently I won a ticket for i42 and I replied right away to their email but they didn't come back to me and now it's past 15th. I call that a scam.
Congratulations on winning one the runners-up prizes in our recent series of StarCraft II Qualifier Tournaments. Your prize is a weekend BYOC (Bring Your Own Computer) ticket to Insomnia 42 which is being held at Newbury Racecourse in England from 22nd to 25th April 2011. Details of the event can be found at http://iseries.multiplay.co.uk/i42/The event will include four prize winning tournaments: Counter-Strike Source,Team Fortress 2, Call of Duty 4 and StarCraft II! To confirm acceptance of your prize, please respond to this email by January 15th, 2011. If we do not hear from you, your prize will be allocated to another player who took part in the tournament. We look forward to hearing from you and hopefully seeing you in Newbury. Regards, Nigel Blower UK Marketing Manager
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That seems a little trigger happy claiming it's a scam. How do you know they didn't just forget to reply to you and have written you down as accepted?
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I sent more emails asking them what's up but no reply. Alright, calling it a scam is wrong. Let's say false marketing. Too bad they have to ruin the value for me playing this freeroll. I had even considered using this ticket even though I live in Sweden. :-(
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What, the event is in April. They never said they would get back to you before Jan 15th just that you had to email them by that date. Calm down.
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Did u guys recieve your prize money already?
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On January 19 2011 08:58 Longshank wrote: What, the event is in April. They never said they would get back to you before Jan 15th just that you had to email them by that date. Calm down. Good point. I started losing hope after two weeks with no reply.
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Meh, this is pretty lame, sorry. Why is this a european tournament if the prize money will only go to those who have british bank account?
So I'm supposed to have someone in Britain and trust some internet gamer on TL or whatever with $5000 and pray he would transfer the money to my bank account.
Men this is an impossible mission, even though I was hoping for the first MAJOR european tournament.
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Just to confirm, the tournament has long finished hitman, and we changed it to european accounts as Pokeridol are handling the tournament payouts. I don't know much about the iseries tickets - but i'll see what I can do... It's not a scam ^_^
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Still nothing, after even more emails to them. Seems legit!
Just curious, did the players at the SC2 tournament even receive their prize money yet?
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On January 26 2011 22:17 Sorkoas wrote: Still nothing, after even more emails to them. Seems legit!
Just curious, did the players at the SC2 tournament even receive their prize money yet?
Even if they haven't paid yet, it doesn't mean they are a scam. It's pretty much the standard in any esports tournament that the prize money is paid way after the event itself. Take ESL for example, their prizes usually have taken from 6 to 15 months to pay out. Or the said i-series LANs from Multiplay, they take about a year.
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On January 26 2011 23:39 zeMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 22:17 Sorkoas wrote: Still nothing, after even more emails to them. Seems legit!
Just curious, did the players at the SC2 tournament even receive their prize money yet? Even if they haven't paid yet, it doesn't mean they are a scam. It's pretty much the standard in any esports tournament that the prize money is paid way after the event itself. Take ESL for example, their prizes usually have taken from 6 to 15 months to pay out. Or the said i-series LANs from Multiplay, they take about a year.
and why is that?
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At all LAN tournaments I've been at they have paid the winners right away, so I don't quite get that. Really it should be the standard that you either pay right away or you at least make some deal how it's going to be paid and have it taken care of asap. 6 to 15 months sounds ridicilous and not have a serious tournament host should act.
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I talked to almost everyone who was supposed to receive prize money today, and no one did. I wasn't able to catch TLO - can Nazgul or TLO confirm if he got paid in the end or not?
I've emailed the Nigel guy from pokeridol a couple of times over the past 2 months, and received replies, ensuring me the money will be paid "in the next few days". My last reply was on the 9th of February where he said that I should receive my money in the next 3 days. Obviously I haven't -.-
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On February 28 2011 09:13 Gomas wrote: I talked to almost everyone who was supposed to receive prize money today, and no one did. I wasn't able to catch TLO - can Nazgul or TLO confirm if he got paid in the end or not?
I've emailed the Nigel guy from pokeridol a couple of times over the past 2 months, and received replies, ensuring me the money will be paid "in the next few days". My last reply was on the 9th of February where he said that I should receive my money in the next 3 days. Obviously I haven't -.-
Maybe he just needs more time to get a good hand and win big on Poker :-P
Seriously, its a little disconcerting how organizers can put on events and then neglect to hand out the prize. Perhaps we should have a black list for tournaments that haven't yet paid out so we can boy-cott other events they run.
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TLO did not get paid. I have sent an email some week or so ago but havent gotten a reply yet.
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As the host of the Poker Idol tournament back in Jan, we have been contacting them to try and speed up the payment process of the prizes. Chris and Nigel, our contacts in the UK from Poker Idol, have both been made redundant and no longer work for the company. There are no other UK staff working for them, and my only contacts left are based in Malta. I will continue to explore all avenues to ensure the prizes are paid.
As hosts to many gaming events, this delay has caused us to change our procedures and any third party companies/sponsors/etc using gamerbase to host tournaments will in future be required to pay the prize money on the day of the event, or transfer the prize fund to us prior to the event.
I will keep in touch with the winners and let them know my progress with Poker Idol.
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It's like always, it noones fault and noone is responsable...
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