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£5000 PokerIdol.com SC2
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ApolloSC2
United Kingdom804 Posts
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Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
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Antimage
Canada1293 Posts
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TeMiL
Peru545 Posts
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FaZiNaTe
Germany290 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On December 13 2010 21:33 Antimage wrote: "11.1 Prize money will distributed within 21 days and sent to a UK bank account only. " =/ Sigh... find someone who has a UK bank account and whom you trust | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
Will definitely be signing up for this  | ||
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RoccoZ
Denmark25 Posts
On December 13 2010 21:33 Antimage wrote: "11.1 Prize money will distributed within 21 days and sent to a UK bank account only. " =/ Sigh... >_< edit it to British championship instead of European, what a misinforming tourney... poker and SC2 is a nice duo tho, both about how you play your "cards/units" | ||
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tyles
United Kingdom509 Posts
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BritishBeef
United Kingdom372 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
Oh well :p | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On December 13 2010 23:11 RoccoZ wrote: >_< edit it to British championship instead of European, what a misinforming tourney... poker and SC2 is a nice duo tho, both about how you play your "cards/units" They won't be changing it to British as they are planning SjoW to win the money. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Note: This is just my personal view of things and not TL's stance on anything. | ||
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BravoScripT.DK
Denmark230 Posts
On December 13 2010 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: 32 man SC2 tournament with 8 spots filled by poker players is kind of ridiculous. There are better ways to combine poker with SC without hurting the competitiveness of the tournament. If you're claiming to be a European Championship (weird claim to begin with) you should really know better than to put 8 poker players into the bracket. Note: This is just my personal view of things and not TL's stance on anything. I say the same. | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
Also, unfortunately the way our prize distribution works, we can only award prize money to a UK bank account - many apologies to who this stops from taking part. In the last tournament we had a few players use friends in the UK to take the prize money and forward. I'm still trying to find a way around this - if theres a chance it can be done i'll let you know immediately. It's open to anyone who can access a EU account, the only reason we exclude NA etc accounts is because they can't play against the rest of the competition. Obviously they have to be able to travel to London for the finals otherwise they're just wasting everyones time And we would encourage everyone to try their hand on the pokeridol tournaments, anyone who qualifies through this will receive 250euros to cover expenses, and we'll give a second chance to their Ro32 opponent from the SC bracket Our first tournament was a lot of fun, it was excellent to talk to the players and run the event so we're hoping to continue building up the prize pots and supporting the UK players to compete internationally. | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On December 14 2010 00:22 gamerbase smile wrote: Also, unfortunately the way our prize distribution works, we can only award prize money to a UK bank account - many apologies to who this stops from taking part. In the last tournament we had a few players use friends in the UK to take the prize money and forward. I'm still trying to find a way around this - if theres a chance it can be done i'll let you know immediately. Have the money go to you, and paypal it to the non UK players? Will mean UK with bank/paypal or EU with paypal can participate... Just a suggestion I dunno lol. | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
Never heard of pokeridol before, but it looks a good site to play on | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
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bakor
United Kingdom290 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:20 gamerbase smile wrote: It's not the only method of qualification Fa1nT, it's just another type - if they're good enough to qualify they will make the top 16 anyway. PokerIdol run poker only tournaments everyday for thousands of dollars, this is an idea to provide some crossover from the communities Will you be allowing external sites to do coverage? If so who would i get in contact to discuss the matter further? | ||
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Deranging
United Kingdom96 Posts
Hope I'm gonna qualify. If not, is it possible to come as a "reserve" player again :D? | ||
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
Also, get someone to cover it, if there is no one yet. dApollo maybe? Possibly demuslim. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
Should be a fun tournament | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
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kYem
United Kingdom412 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
Just had confirmation that we can open up the payments to EU bank accounts now. Hopefully this will help with any prize money issues The rules have been amended to suit. | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:55 gamerbase smile wrote: Woot! Just had confirmation that we can open up the payments to EU bank accounts now. Hopefully this will help with any prize money issues The rules have been amended to suit.Good news You still doing fun comps on saturdays? Need to pop down one weekend and own it up :D | ||
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KeiFo
United Kingdom1 Post
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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ICCup.Tesla
United States841 Posts
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Woyn
United Kingdom1628 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
The invited 8 are some extremely awesome players, I'm feeling total nerd chills for getting to see them play live | ||
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AcRo
Germany12 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
Super excited about the finals I'll try and find out a little more about whats going on at Pokeridol.com regarding the tournaments, brb | ||
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
Registration is now closed! I've been adding up the last minute entries including some REALLY awesome players - and will need to just do some reseeding and the bracket will be ready, I'm hoping to have it live by 10am GMT Sunday. I'll also be emailing all competitors to let them know about any last minute details! There are 7 players i'm still awaiting details from which I've contacted this evening, so if you're: Gunnersmate@www LastManDancing@www EmpirDieStar.235@www froggyman@www ESC.Delphi@www mura@www yetee@www please check your email Really looking forward to tomorrow! If any of you want to catch me on battle.net please add 'smile.388' i'll be online all day helping people to find their opponents etc. I'll also have an irc room open on quakenet which will be #gamerbaseSC2. Feel free to idle in there with the other opponents, but this will all be in the email sent out in the morning. Let's do this Chris | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
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Toons
Australia136 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
Bracket will be up momentarily | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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tyles
United Kingdom509 Posts
organisation skills please ffs EDIT: And then i get some emails flooding in | ||
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
ah ok its up on the main site. Good luck all | ||
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
Everything is there for you to see the tournament is due to start at 1pm as it says on the main tournament page. I've just emailed all competitors with the online bracket and some more details about the irc channel. We had a load of players register at the last minute and unfortunately some had to be turned away to ensure its all up and running for 1pm.All the competitors have now been contacted via email with details of the event and map pool. Good luck! | ||
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zionman
Belgium149 Posts
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gaston116
Sweden73 Posts
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
The Poker tournaments are now setup and able to register now! We have 4 free to enter poker tournaments available, with the top 2 players from each being invited to the grand finals with an amazing 250 euros to help cover their travelling expenses! These tournaments will take part on: Wednesday 22nd December 2010 Wednesday 29th December 2010 Saturday 1st January 2011 Wednesday 5th January 2011 To sign up please follow these guide lines... 1 - Visit http://www.pokeridol.com/Default.aspx?Campaign=6ABD3EAE-55D2-4348-97C4-4A7F6810974E PokerIdol.com 2 - Download our poker software by Clicking "Download PC" button on home page 3 - Once downloaded, open the software and dlick on the "Sign-Up for Free" link 4 - Once created account, log in to the poker room 5 - Locate the tournament which is located in the "Specials" section of "Scheduled Tournaments" 6 - Double click the tournament entitled "StarCraft II Qualifier" - registration is open 24 hours before the start time of 7.30 pm Good luck at the tables! | ||
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
We had an epic day of gaming, and I would like to congratulate the following players for qualifying to the live Grand Finals in London at our gamerbase Trocadero centre on January 8th... Jimpo (Terran) iNSoLeNCE (Protoss) ActionJesuz (Zerg) ParanOid (Zerg) SarenS (Terran) Gandi (Zerg) Daut (Terran) GoOdy (Terran) PWRelfi (Protoss) digitas.merz (Terran) RunA (Protoss) ZAiN (Protoss) mouzMorroW (Zerg) aAakAra (Protoss) mouzMaNa (Protoss) mTwDeMusliM (Terran) | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
can see a lot randomly joining, and why does 3rd-5th say insomnia is a prize? | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
On December 13 2010 21:56 TBO wrote: find someone who has a UK bank account and whom you trust anyone with a reputation can be trusted | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
Was a great game, bit disappointed that we had so many randomers, but taht'll be fixed for next week :D we saw some great players come by and play fuzer socke forsen Dignitas team manager Tyles bakor Husky randy etc Most popped in for a chat at #sc2poker and we'll be there for next tournament for any players wanting a bit of friendly banter/RAGE at the river card :D The game was getting a bit stale until KK vs KJ vs 88 appeared when we was down to 4. K's held up leaving us with 3 players and 1 with 4k chips, shortly eliminated GG everyone! | ||
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tyles
United Kingdom509 Posts
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Woyn
United Kingdom1628 Posts
Also any news on the invited players?? | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
On December 22 2010 01:20 gamerbase smile wrote: Also, if anyone would like to see replays from the 128 man online bracket, http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=226click this link! We had an epic day of gaming, and I would like to congratulate the following players for qualifying to the live Grand Finals in London at our gamerbase Trocadero centre on January 8th... Jimpo (Terran) iNSoLeNCE (Protoss) ActionJesuz (Zerg) ParanOid (Zerg) SarenS (Terran) Gandi (Zerg) Daut (Terran) GoOdy (Terran) PWRelfi (Protoss) digitas.merz (Terran) RunA (Protoss) ZAiN (Protoss) mouzMorroW (Zerg) aAakAra (Protoss) mouzMaNa (Protoss) mTwDeMusliM (Terran) ActionJesuz FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On January 06 2011 03:18 Woyn wrote: How is the closing down of HMV I just saw on the news gonna effect Gamerbase?? =o Also any news on the invited players?? they are closing this weekend? Only found a source on the internet saying they are going to close in april | ||
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Woyn
United Kingdom1628 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
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zionman
Belgium149 Posts
Also i haven't got an confirmation mail yet . Btw: Anybody staying in the russel hotel? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 06 2011 14:33 surfinbird1 wrote: Who is going to cast this? Please let it be TotalBiscuit and Apollo. Their i40 cast was amazing! Definitely not me, wasn't asked. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
UK Tournament without Total Biscuit casting >_<, what did you do wrong?! your casts are great so you should be first on the list! | ||
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debasers
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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
On January 06 2011 03:39 TBO wrote: they are closing this weekend? Only found a source on the internet saying they are going to close in april Only about 40 are closing, which most likely won't include the one in Leicester Square. It's not as drastic as people think, I know multiple high streets that have two HMVs. I can't wait for this on saturday | ||
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Schmieds
United States312 Posts
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gunnersmate
United Kingdom12 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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kAra
Germany1369 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
can the organizers of this do something to keep us up to date of what is going on tomorrow? | ||
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2086 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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Lightspeed
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
Still being updated though GL to everyone there, really wish I could of got down to london but money stops me Hope to see some of the poker qualifiers do well, and for some great games between the pro's :D | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 07 2011 23:58 Lightspeed wrote: There's apparently a newspost with all the details, brackets and so on on the gamerbase.com frontpage. Can't copypaste from android, art Hmmm, when I try to click on the bracket links, nothing shows up. Is this happening for anyone else? | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 08 2011 00:03 ptbl wrote: Hmmm, when I try to click on the bracket links, nothing shows up. Is this happening for anyone else? Not finishes updating it yet | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
On January 08 2011 01:05 syllogism wrote: £1500 for winner and £1250 for runner up? That's, err, interesting Hmm.. prize gets payed to brits only. dApollo going for second behind DeMusliM ? | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 08 2011 01:15 RaGe wrote: Hmm.. prize gets payed to brits only. dApollo going for second behind DeMusliM ? They'e changed that, all EU accounts are able to be paid into now last I heard | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
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FireBlast!
United Kingdom5251 Posts
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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
On January 08 2011 01:27 FireBlast! wrote: who's going to this? i'll be there who isn't going? anybody living in London needs a bloody good excuse. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
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neocron
United Kingdom505 Posts
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
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Michiel
Belgium48 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 08 2011 01:37 TBO wrote: so why is on the list just 22 Players? It looks like the invited people only have 6/8 of the slots filled. 8 others will be selected from the poker tournaments. Or at least this is what I gleamed from the website. I'm still confused, too. | ||
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GBM_Kumba
United Kingdom1 Post
Sorry for the lack of updates. I hope you can understand that it’s been a busy day for us. We will try and get a quick update up on the website some point tonight. As for the brackets, this will be updated tomorrow morning due to some players dropping out at the late minute due to personal reason Kumba | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 08 2011 03:07 GBM_Kumba wrote: Hey guys. Sorry for the lack of updates. I hope you can understand that it’s been a busy day for us. We will try and get a quick update up on the website some point tonight. As for the brackets, this will be updated tomorrow morning due to some players dropping out at the late minute due to personal reason Kumba Thanks for the updates! Looking forward to an awesome tournament. | ||
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ApolloSC2
United Kingdom804 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
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Noam
Israel2209 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On January 08 2011 05:12 TT1 wrote: pretty sure that select is also playing in this tour he is listed on their site anyways. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
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searcher
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
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Jaug
Sweden249 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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ffz
United States490 Posts
11:30 CET! 4 minutes! | ||
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MILEEES
Germany5 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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MILEEES
Germany5 Posts
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
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DoubleB
Germany870 Posts
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 08 2011 04:51 ptbl wrote: Is TotalBiscuit covering the tournament? I know he's in the UK. | ||
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
On January 08 2011 20:28 MILEEES wrote: its CET +1 because they are in england cet-1 | ||
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MILEEES
Germany5 Posts
oh yeah, sorry, you are right | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6922 Posts
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cobrastyle
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gamerbase smile: Oh we're still registering gamerbase smile: so you've got time There is no bracket yet, it'll be generated after registering. Another 30 minutes or more.. edit: gamerbase smile: we're just finishing off the bracket now, should be live soon | ||
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DoubleB
Germany870 Posts
They have some technical issues For all people having trouble (this streamsite works for me): http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=post&id=93356 | ||
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
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Losiek
Poland32 Posts
On January 08 2011 21:13 rANDY wrote: they are just making the brackets at the moment, poor turnout but high quality (19 players) but TLO, Haypro, SeleCT, merz, SjoW, SarenS, kAra, GoOdy are here (and me :D) what about MaNa ? | ||
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Oh, Randy? Going to play? GLGL! omg 19 players Brackets would be so nice. I'm really excited to see Hayder compete with Europeans and TLO post injury random. This tournament needs to work on its exposure. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
also, is demuslim there? | ||
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cobrastyle
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edit: no sorry gamerbase smile: No DeMusliM or Mana unfortunately | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
looking forward to TLO and HayprO games | ||
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Pixel.
Netherlands287 Posts
Who is streaming this ? and is there any bracket? | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
the fuckk ? : ( well , this is a pretty big live tournament afaik , why there is no stream !? | ||
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Lynskey
United Kingdom26 Posts
http://www.livestream.com/gamerbase | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On January 08 2011 21:41 Lynskey wrote: If you're having trouble with the site, the stream is coming from here. http://www.livestream.com/gamerbase <3 edit : this stream not really showing anything ... | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
brackets are done about to start finally | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
the exposure and coverage of this tournament is kinda disappointing in relation to the prizepool | ||
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Towni
Austria144 Posts
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jagnap
Germany29 Posts
On January 08 2011 21:41 Lynskey wrote: If you're having trouble with the site, the stream is coming from here. http://www.livestream.com/gamerbase Well, it´s kind of weird... nothing happens on this stream, but there are still 1200 peoples watching... | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
oh well , stream is finally on !!! | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
I can also imagine its pretty shitty for an organiser to go from having a full bracket then only 19 people showing up. | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
and where are the brackets ? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6922 Posts
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=234 and here is something like a live-update page http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=post&id=93980 | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 08 2011 22:07 Sinedd wrote: stream is on but no commentary (?) and where are the brackets ? The caster was unable to make it haha | ||
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sinii
England989 Posts
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Tatsuyasama
Japan50 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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mdma-_-
Nauru1213 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
Makes the tourney unwatchable :< | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Mexico1605 Posts
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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sinii
England989 Posts
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jagnap
Germany29 Posts
PS:I really like this yellow mouse-cursor-thing... NOT! | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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ManKyYen
Germany30 Posts
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
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searcher
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On January 08 2011 22:15 Psyclon wrote: On top of everything it seems that there is too much lag...i guess i will have to wait for the Reddit Invitational for my daily SC2 fix. Perhaps you mean the TLOpen which starts in 10 minutes. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
i bet there are ppl who would jump at the opportunity to livecast some of these games. | ||
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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On January 08 2011 22:15 Psyclon wrote: On top of everything it seems that there is too much lag...i guess i will have to wait for the Reddit Invitational for my daily SC2 fix. Manner up please!! :D TL Open is stacked | ||
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bay_2002
Germany105 Posts
Is there no cast since the beginning? | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
On January 08 2011 22:29 ptbl wrote: I woke up late. Has TLO played yet? No he has a "bye" in the first round | ||
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TazzDingo
Germany502 Posts
On January 08 2011 22:29 ptbl wrote: I woke up late. Has TLO played yet? http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=234 in an amazing series, he has beaten *BYE. edit: stream offline? | ||
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Veasel
Sweden159 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 08 2011 22:30 Leviance wrote: no TLO will play soon Thanks. I was pretty pissed that I woke up 2 hours late, but I'm glad I didn't miss TLO's match. | ||
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bay_2002
Germany105 Posts
On January 08 2011 22:32 Veasel wrote: Why doesnt any stream link work? :S At the moment it is offline, they restart, because of lags... | ||
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Veasel
Sweden159 Posts
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
players no-show, no caster, laggy stream, no mods in chat, thing just add up. i'll try to stay for some tlo and haypro action, but this is starting to be unbearable. | ||
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Tatsuyasama
Japan50 Posts
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Veasel
Sweden159 Posts
On January 08 2011 22:33 bay_2002 wrote: At the moment it is offline, they restart, because of lags... Aight | ||
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butch
Belgium684 Posts
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Fiasko
Germany244 Posts
On January 08 2011 22:36 Lipski wrote: i tried to stay positive, but this is fail. players no-show, no caster, laggy stream, no mods in chat, thing just add up. i'll try to stay for some tlo and haypro action, but this is starting to be unbearable. This!!! | ||
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bay_2002
Germany105 Posts
On January 08 2011 22:35 Veasel wrote: Can someone give me a link to the stream that works? http://www.livestream.com/gamerbase | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
Looks like this will be up on ragequit's main stream in a second =) | ||
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
YES IT"S ON | ||
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bay_2002
Germany105 Posts
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sinii
England989 Posts
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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bay_2002
Germany105 Posts
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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bay_2002
Germany105 Posts
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Sindsygafnatur
Denmark265 Posts
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Jaug
Sweden249 Posts
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freddergeier
Germany140 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
On January 08 2011 23:07 Fa1nT wrote: why is there only 800 viewers? Because before drooL stepped in about half an hour the only stream was a lq livestream with no actual caster I'd imagine =p I'd also guess that people aren't as interested in watching the pros stomp pokerplayers in these first rounds as they will be to see the pros play each other in the next few ^^ but by then we might have lost drooL === Sjow defended a hilarious all in, not sure he even lost a marine in doing so rofl | ||
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Lightspeed
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On January 08 2011 23:07 Fa1nT wrote: why is there only 800 viewers? Because the whole thing is an organizational trainwreck and ragequit.tv only just stepped in and started casting? | ||
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=post&id=93356 getting bunker rushed w/ reaper but it failed | ||
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Leviance
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On January 08 2011 23:41 coddan wrote: Is there more than one stream running? Im looking at Haypro vs Sjow, but people are talking about TLO? http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Ipp | ||
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TBO
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
Really liked that play on scrapstation, early drop action was nice =) | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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TLO 2-0 merz and now 1-1 vs Goody | ||
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readme
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CCAA
Germany78 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On January 08 2011 23:55 DBrave wrote: can i get link for brackets ? http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=234 | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
It's not just you! http://www.gamerbase.com looks down from here. http://www.isup.me/ | ||
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CCAA
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roswellmania
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Kiki
Germany59 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:05 roswellmania wrote: site works for me, but is very very slow same here. | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
TLO vs SeleCt will be nice | ||
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Leviance
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:16 Fa1nT wrote: TLO could of killed a ton more SCV if he controlled the tank manually or microed the hellions more He was defending vs Banshees in his base I think | ||
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BobMcJohnson
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TLO 1 - 0 Select | ||
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Poland373 Posts
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MoooN1
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Fregate
Italy50 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:28 MoooN1 wrote: is there a grid ? http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=234 but it takes a while to load | ||
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Leviance
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United States119 Posts
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:35 primarch359 wrote: anyone know if the replays will be uploaded? All replays will be on the gamerbase brackets afterwards, drool is uploading the games he was in. | ||
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:36 ste0731 wrote: All replays will be on the gamerbase brackets afterwards, drool is uploading the games he was in. afterwards is when exactly? because there are no replays of the earlier rounds yet. | ||
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
TLO responds with early pressure, 2 marauders 1 marine. Selects defends with good micro. Banshee for TLO. | ||
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primarch359
United States119 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:38 Almisael wrote: afterwards is when exactly? because there are no replays of the earlier rounds yet. i guess when hes not accually casting and 3 supply drops for select? | ||
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:44 primarch359 wrote: i guess when hes not accually casting and 3 supply drops for select? no i mean the other replays from the tournament, not from the games we are already watching. | ||
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
Both players macroing up. TLO's banshee fails to do a lot of damage. Select pushing out! Elevator by Select! A lot of a damage to TLO's mineral line! TLO counters with drop harass and cleans up Select's attack. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
EDIT: Working fine now, just seemed like something temporary | ||
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TazzDingo
Germany502 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:47 LittLeD wrote: Seems to be some viewing problem with own3d.tv. Or is it only me? works fine here. what exactly is the "viewing problem"? | ||
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:47 LittLeD wrote: Seems to be some viewing problem with own3d.tv. Or is it only me? No problems here. | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
Have 10 marines in the back route, 1 of them attacking the scouting supply depot, the rest doing nothing | ||
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Malaz
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
Select sieges up at TLO's gold. Lot's of back and forth through the center! TLO loses his fourth but wins the viking war. TLO pushes forward, can now mine his gold. | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
rly enjoyable TvTs :D | ||
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Tppz!
Germany1449 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:26 Tppz! wrote: any news about Haypro? still. how is he doing? | ||
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:56 TazzDingo wrote: thanks drooL for casting these games. Yes idd! Thank you so much. Those TLO games were definitely worth it! | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
Seems he's playing against Sjow next, meaning he should be in the winner bracket's semis now TLO is in WB final now | ||
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Fubb
Germany160 Posts
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TazzDingo
Germany502 Posts
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primarch359
United States119 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:59 marcesr wrote: Quite interesting games so far. Is there any footage from the event btw? you mean vods? because http://www.own3d.tv/live/1166 is still streaming for now | ||
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neocron
United Kingdom505 Posts
Dimaga vs Fischkopfman | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:58 CryMeAReaper wrote: is it me, or does it seem like TLO is playing better than ever :D? regained motivation all the way! gooo Dario! You will never take him down, carpal No it's not just you. Watched his stream a lot the past few days and TLO really impressed me a lot. | ||
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
On January 09 2011 00:59 timmyfred wrote: Is there a working brackets link anywhere? I tried to use the one linked earlier in the thread ( http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=234 ) and it just 404s for me every time. The link works for me, I just have to wait a long time and F5 a few times | ||
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TazzDingo
Germany502 Posts
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/TazzDingo/bracket.jpg that's how the bracket looks right now edit: just noticed I bookmarked TL twice by this pic o.0 | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On January 09 2011 01:11 SmoKim wrote: so TLO is in the finals :D? Winner bracket final so like semi final. | ||
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towel
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
game 3 coming up | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
But it is so impressive to see how his TvT improved recently. Either Merz (defeated Demuslim in the IEM qualifier) Goody and Select are very strong in that matchup and each of them play a very different style. | ||
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
so much love for you drooL! <3 | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On January 09 2011 01:15 LittLeD wrote: dRooL is slapping out the F word quite a few times. Maybe with 4k viewers this isnt the most appropriate thing. Just a tip ok i guess their sponsors might get angry... oh shit, theyre volunteers, so just be happy you get a cast^^ | ||
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trancey_
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On January 09 2011 01:15 LittLeD wrote: dRooL is slapping out the F word quite a few times. Maybe with 4k viewers this isnt the most appropriate thing. Just a tip who cares, we are all adults ?! thanks for the stream! they even made a rematch because streamer lagged out! | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On January 09 2011 01:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: It's funny they have nothing to do with the tournament and now have 4000 viewers. Major props for giving us anything at all guys! You can use the F word as many times as you want as long as we have a cast! yeah i agree, way to many people are ungrateful, and dont remember that most of the time, the casters are not affiliated with the tournaments, and are just doing it for the sake of content and loive for the game and the community ^__^ ty drool! | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
for the swarm ~~ | ||
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JanB
Germany38 Posts
http://www.fragster.de/cmy/flatpage/1006/ or http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=articles&id=6114 It's not the whole grid but better than nothing | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
2-1 Haypro | ||
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neocron
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
I hope HayprO wins it all | ||
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homer001
493 Posts
wat now?!!! | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
On January 09 2011 01:37 bay_2002 wrote: i got a bad internet connection, but before they switched, everything was fine for me and now, every 5 seconds it is lagging... same here^^ | ||
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Killmouse
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
If he beats Sjow now then this will a nice response to his critics. | ||
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Poland373 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
On January 09 2011 02:06 Killmouse wrote: stream dead? seems like it hope Haypr0 wins! | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
"Information: We are currently performing site maintenance, please be patient." | ||
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Hoju
United States449 Posts
thanks owned.tv! :/ | ||
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homer001
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
annoying it happens today during one of the really interesting match ups | ||
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Germany39 Posts
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homer001
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
The othere stream | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
thank you! Haypr0 have both gold bases up, Sjow is screwed | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
that's a lot of banelings... but wait, that's a LOT of terran stuff... damn, haypro doesn't have nearly enough... then suddenly, zerg units stream in from literally every direction and obliterate the terran army <3 haypro | ||
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Hoju
United States449 Posts
edit: actually the two streams are in sync, so just watch ragequit.tv, but keep it muted, and open another tab/window for gamerbase audio | ||
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Denmark10304 Posts
GG | ||
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KiNGxXx
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Next map is scrap station. | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
its better now isnt it? | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
You'd think it'd get better once it goes into a macro game, but all that happens is that the players' expansions are even closer to one another. gogo haypro! | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On January 09 2011 02:40 Leviance wrote: These games are all so much better than the Code-A GSL games The fact that we know these guys sure helps brings some tension as well | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
GG 1-1 | ||
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South Africa35471 Posts
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
gg gogo drone rush | ||
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scuta
Germany113 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
T_T | ||
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Technique
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''Sjow bro'' | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 09 2011 02:59 Lightspeed wrote: The official stream is so awesome, the caster lags whenever he observes a big clash of armies, so he pulls his camera away whenever this happens and shows some part of the map where no action is going on :D Kinda cute What official stream? EDIT: Found it. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On January 09 2011 02:59 Lightspeed wrote: The official stream is so awesome, the caster lags whenever he observes a big clash of armies, so he pulls his camera away whenever this happens and shows some part of the map where no action is going on :D Kinda cute Better then saying bro 100 times like the guy on ragequit.tv does. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4722 Posts
Terrans wins first map ==> Scrap Station ==> Steppes. Zerg wins first map ==> Steppes ==> Scrap Station. It's just not fun. Anyway, good series, both looked really close in skill level there. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
It was a great series all in all I think | ||
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:00 Technique wrote: Better then saying bro 100 times like the guy on ragequit.tv does. then you should never watch ragequit tv with drool and sheek because that's usually a lot of "bro"... | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:00 Malinor wrote: Loser's choice (I assume that's what they do here) is so terrible with these maps. Terrans wins first map ==> Scrap Station ==> Steppes. Zerg wins first map ==> Steppes ==> Scrap Station. It's just not fun. Anyway, good series, both looked really close in skill level there. I don't know if they changed the rules but the rules stated on their page originally said both players can ban 2 maps in the bo3 (and 1 in bo5). | ||
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FreedonNadd
Austria573 Posts
On January 09 2011 02:59 Lightspeed wrote: ... so he pulls his camera away whenever this happens and shows some part of the map where no action is going on :D Kinda cute That was soooooo terrible. Like a p0rn and the cam was meanwhile recording the carpet on the ground and describing the patterns and dust on it. Dear caster, please let someone else cast if you dont have the right hardware for this. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:04 TBO wrote: I don't know if they changed the rules but the rules stated on their page originally said both players can ban 2 maps in the bo3 (and 1 in bo5). That's odd. Unless HayprO banned Jungle and Lost temple. Then Sjow banned Metal and...? | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:05 Numy wrote: That's odd. Unless HayprO banned Jungle and Lost temple. Then Sjow banned Metal and...? Apparently they are only downvoting in the final (TLO vs Sjow) | ||
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Slovakia1174 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:19 Spidinko wrote: I've just tuned in recently. Has TLO been playing terran whole tournament or is he racepicking? Racepicking I think...but he's played nothing but Terrans so he's been T everytime. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:19 Spidinko wrote: I've just tuned in recently. Has TLO been playing terran whole tournament or is he racepicking? terran but mostly because he has had 4 terran opponents and likes tvt a lot | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Apparently they are only downvoting in the final (TLO vs Sjow) That's saddening. Well at least Haypro showed his skills. I thought he played really well in all his games and his bunker defense was quite good. Even steppes felt like he had that game in the bad until his banelings just couldn't seal the def. I would say he should be proud. Showed what he's able to do! | ||
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nenji
Germany48 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:21 Numy wrote: That's saddening. Well at least Haypro showed his skills. I thought he played really well in all his games and his bunker defense was quite good. Even steppes felt like he had that game in the bad until his banelings just couldn't seal the def. I would say he should be proud. Showed what he's able to do! hes not out yet, its double elimination | ||
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Thezzphai
Germany1145 Posts
Oh noes, ninja'd for the first time | ||
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Croatia1835 Posts
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:28 Odoakar wrote: Just tuned in, is there a bracket anywhere? http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=234 The site is very slow tho. | ||
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mdma-_-
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On January 09 2011 03:28 Odoakar wrote: Just tuned in, is there a bracket anywhere? http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=articles&id=6114 | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
The organized caster had difficulties getting there, leading to smile (who works at gamerbase) to stand in and offer whatever he can, this is more than likely his first ever time casting and I presume all the software/PC's etc weren't prepared to be casting from the way it is. He is trying his best and it makes a change from all the seriousness of the other casters, and has actually been really enjoyable :D Drool stood in as well to give extra help, but he has personal stuff to do in his life. Sheek again offered to stand in, without either of these two people standing in, devoting their own time and effort you'd be stuck with replays (if that) so please take a moment before you complain and think about the effort that these guys are doing for you. (edit - this is in noway an official post or nor am i connected to gamerbase, just think you should all be grateful for what streams are possible rather than rage at them :D) | ||
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Belgium333 Posts
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Belgium333 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
edit: oh its a bo5 a tiny bit of hope | ||
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Switzerland11984 Posts
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
"Plan B: Random" Still TvT tho | ||
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scuta
Germany113 Posts
hoping for Zerg ;O | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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United Kingdom38220 Posts
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raidmaster
474 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:48 vdale wrote: I think TLO should stop making thors against marauder/marines .. I'm pretty sure he was counting on Sjow making only marines, because he was getting armor upgrades for his thors. Thors with +2 armor take ridiciously low dmg from marines. However Sjow had marauders and TLO kinda started repairing too late. TLO, like always, tries to be creative, but sometimes it just doesn't work. | ||
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United States1899 Posts
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:50 raidmaster wrote: I'm pretty sure he was counting on Sjow making only marines, because he was getting armor upgrades for his thors. Thors with +2 armor take ridiciously low dmg from marines. However Sjow had marauders and TLO kinda started repairing too late. TLO, like always, tries to be crative, but sometimes it just doesn't work. he made thors against Marines and Marauder in all TvTs today and it never worked really well until he made more tanks. | ||
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
http://www.gamerbase.com/files/demos/2011/10488-dicknose.jpg -_-;. | ||
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Belgium333 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:53 Almisael wrote: btw: i tried to download the replays from goody vs tlo and i found the following "replay" http://www.gamerbase.com/files/demos/2011/10488-dicknose.jpg -_-;. LOL that made me laugh | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Oh snap man thanks. Brackets take so long for me to load I wasn't sure which stage this was. I'm actually so happy right now. | ||
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
Hopefully game 5 is a bit better than that lol since the series has been entertaining. | ||
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neocron
United Kingdom505 Posts
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Belgium333 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
yay for no scouting | ||
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Phantom_Sky
Hong Kong512 Posts
but TLO brining SCV's all in is so entertaining and exciting lol | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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mappiechampion
Sweden155 Posts
However, very very high level of entertainement! | ||
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FearTHeFrO
United States204 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:08 mappiechampion wrote: I like how TLO gets schooled x2 TvT against SjoW and then just goes all in two times and win. TLO is just a far worse player. However, very very high level of entertainement! Nice troll lol | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:08 mappiechampion wrote: I like how TLO gets schooled x2 TvT against SjoW and then just goes all in two times and win. TLO is just a far worse player. However, very very high level of entertainement! how did he get schooled game 2? he was so far ahead that game, just got a bit too cute with the thors. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:08 mappiechampion wrote: I like how TLO gets schooled x2 TvT against SjoW and then just goes all in two times and win. TLO is just a far worse player. However, very very high level of entertainement! How was game 3 allin? And yes how did he get schooled game 2. Also did you even see game 1 since the caster failed? Please stop saying dumb things. | ||
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raidmaster
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:08 mappiechampion wrote: I like how TLO gets schooled x2 TvT against SjoW and then just goes all in two times and win. TLO is just a far worse player. However, very very high level of entertainement! Sjow deserves it for not scouting. In fact, people should all-in him every game | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
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CCAA
Germany78 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:07 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: such an exciting final yeah TLO takes always the time slot when Sjows 1-1-1 build is vulnerable GO GO TLOwnage | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:08 mappiechampion wrote: I like how TLO gets schooled x2 TvT against SjoW and then just goes all in two times and win. TLO is just a far worse player. However, very very high level of entertainement! All in two times? Just a far worse player? Nice troll. | ||
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TazzDingo
Germany502 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:08 mappiechampion wrote: I like how TLO gets schooled x2 TvT against SjoW and then just goes all in two times and win. TLO is just a far worse player. I like how Sjow gets schooled x2 TvT against TLO and then some random sjow fanboy insults TLO for his early aggression. When forced to deal with aggression, sjow is just a far worse player. //e: meh, I feel so trollish now :/ | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
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SushilS
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Kaiven
United Kingdom1 Post
Smile Haypro it's not over yet. | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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mappiechampion
Sweden155 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:14 coddan wrote: Is this the actual final, or just the winner bracket final? WB final LB: ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/lb1mwf.png) | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:14 coddan wrote: Is this the actual final, or just the winner bracket final? Just winners bracket, not sure how the lower bracket is going since the updates on them have been non existant for well over an hour | ||
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SushilS
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:10 syllogism wrote: Sjow deserves it for not scouting. In fact, people should all-in him every game It's kinda interesting how TLO didn't early scout either on Blistering Sand or Metalopolis. Perhaps there's something to SjoWs way of thinking...it's catching on. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:17 Longshank wrote: It's kinda interesting how TLO didn't early scout either on Blistering Sand or Metalopolis. Perhaps there's something to SjoWs way of thinking...it's catching on. You don't have to scout Sjow since he does the same thing every game | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:17 Longshank wrote: It's kinda interesting how TLO didn't early scout either on Blistering Sand or Metalopolis. Perhaps there's something to SjoWs way of thinking...it's catching on. normally your scouting SCV won't see anything because it usually gets denied by the first 1 or 2 marines ...assuming both players play standard | ||
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SushilS
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
More drops fnishing Sjow off, don't see him coming back now. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
I thought he switched because Zerg offered more and suited him? Or was it a temporary switch when any Zerg looked comfortable vs Terran right after patch, and now that he knows Zerg sucks, he decided to go back? | ||
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SushilS
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On January 09 2011 04:22 Xxavi wrote: Wait, when did TLO switch back to Terran? I thought he switched because Zerg offered more and suited him? Or was it a temporary switch when any Zerg looked comfortable vs Terran right after patch, and now that he knows Zerg sucks, he decided to go back? He's playing as Random now... 'Cos hes so baller. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:22 Xxavi wrote: Wait, when did TLO switch back to Terran? he went back to random but prefers playing TvT it seems | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:22 Xxavi wrote: Wait, when did TLO switch back to Terran? I thought he switched because Zerg offered more and suited him? Or was it a temporary switch when any Zerg looked comfortable vs Terran right after patch, and now that he knows Zerg sucks, he decided to go back? He has been playing random in the new year, and for tournaments he is going to pick whatever he thinks gives him the best chance. He likes TvT so he has been picking Terran a lot. | ||
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:22 Xxavi wrote: Wait, when did TLO switch back to Terran? I thought he switched because Zerg offered more and suited him? Or was it a temporary switch when any Zerg looked comfortable vs Terran right after patch, and now that he knows Zerg sucks, he decided to go back? He plays random but does some racepicking for tournaments. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4722 Posts
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mappiechampion
Sweden155 Posts
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Lipski
Poland373 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
shame this isn't the Grand finals hope he wins it all! | ||
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McMonty
Canada379 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: He has been playing random in the new year, and for tournaments he is going to pick whatever he thinks gives him the best chance. He likes TvT so he has been picking Terran a lot. Do most tournaments allow player to change their race between matches? It would be epic if you only used once race depending on the race of your opponent. So against Terran, you always go terran, but against zerg you go protoss, and against protoss, you go zerg. This would mean that you could focus hard on understanding the protoss versus zerg matchup, because this matchup would encompass 2/3 of your games. Rather than focusing on one specific race, you just focus on one matchup and you make sure that you get that matchup in 2/3 of your matches. | ||
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nenji
Germany48 Posts
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Blix
Netherlands873 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:25 Renove wrote: 3-2 for TLO! totally nuts... i thought it was gonna be 0-3, but then he activated "plan B" | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:24 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: He has been playing random in the new year, and for tournaments he is going to pick whatever he thinks gives him the best chance. He likes TvT so he has been picking Terran a lot. Well, no wonder, because it seems Zerg are suffering now. Idra probably would have said something about this :D May be he already did. Anyway, hope Haypro, as a zerg, gets at least second spot. | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
Go TLO! | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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-dash
Netherlands103 Posts
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CCAA
Germany78 Posts
his aggression is sensational | ||
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Spartacus.
Turkey84 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:25 Renove wrote: He plays random but does some racepicking for tournaments. I'm still not sure whether racepicking is cool or not...Probably is if the tournament admins and players have nothing against it. But it sure does make TLO quite a beast to play against | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
And big big thanks to Ragequit.TV for streaming! | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:26 McMonty wrote: Do most tournaments allow player to change their race between matches? It seems to vary a lot per tournament. | ||
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
i don't find that funny, i want replays... or someone telling me that there will be no replays. | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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xkare
Germany140 Posts
Didn't expect him to do so well after not seeing that much from him at the end of 2010. Really happy for him | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:28 vrok wrote: Although I'm pretty disappointed with TLO in general, he did a very good job in exploiting Sjow's obvious weaknesses. Sjow is just too predictable. You're disappointed because TLO won? Why? | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
Lost all supply depots and all of his army, which was a bunch of marines. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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fabulously
Norway724 Posts
Big thanks to the caster who is on drools account. Great job, specially considering he got no time to prepare at all. | ||
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FreeUrMind
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carschti
Germany12 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:33 Leviance wrote: So is it true what the caster assumes that there will be no advantage for the winner of the winner's bracket at all? Not even a one game lead? I wouldn't like that one of the finalist is allowed to lose a series while the other didn't and it's all equal. Not like it even matters much when the prize difference is only £250 (1500 v 1250) | ||
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merz
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Venax
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
I'm not. I wrote 'in general'. I guess the thing I dislike the most is going back to racepicking after realizing after a short period that zerg isn't actually as good as they seemed, but he's just doing whatever it takes to win I guess. I don't have to like it though. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
He seems to have more raw potential/talent than pretty much any other Liquid member in Korea. But I am not sure if he can be a player in a global scale being in Europe and switching around like that. | ||
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grandmoose
United States160 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:35 syllogism wrote: Not like it even matters much when the prize difference is only £250 (1500 v 1250) Oh wow I hadn't realized that - still £250 are ... £250 | ||
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ffz
United States490 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:38 ffz wrote: shouldn't it be select vs winner of gomas and sarens and then haypro against that winner? that's the official one at least | ||
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plaSsoN
Germany39 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:38 ffz wrote: shouldn't it be select vs winner of gomas and sarens and then haypro against that winner? No, Haypro plays against the winner of gomas and sarens. Then the winner of that match against Select. And finally Sjow comes into play one more time. | ||
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CCAA
Germany78 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:33 FreeUrMind wrote: Game 5 was sick, insane multitasking by TLO, streamer barely managed to catch all simultaneous drops. I want to see the replay from TLO's point of view thats it. the streamer couldnt managed it and sjow too ^^ | ||
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:36 Xxavi wrote: It's a shame TLO left Korean and it's a shame he is switching around races. You cannot just pick the next best race after a patch or after it is figured out. You will never master it at the very highest level, IMO. He seems to have more raw potential/talent than pretty much any other Liquid member in Korea. But I am not sure if he can be a player in a global scale being in Europe and switching around like that. I think the games that were casted today were far more interesting than the cheesefest we see in GSL and in the Korean ladder (reference Huk's stream) | ||
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fabulously
Norway724 Posts
Thanks, for some reason the site bugged out for me. Still quite a lot of games left in the LB then. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:48 fabulously wrote: Thanks, for some reason the site bugged out for me. Still quite a lot of games left in the LB then. updated ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/lbneuumn8.png) | ||
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Blix
Netherlands873 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:51 Nimic wrote: I would really love it if TLO went back to Terran full time. I just love watching him play. I still quite like watching him play Zerg and Protoss, as much as I like anyone play Zerg and Protoss, really, but as I'm a Terran I'm allowed to be a bit biased. I agree, it seems to me that terran has the biggest bag of tricks, which suits TLOs style. | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:43 FreeUrMind wrote: I think the games that were casted today were far more interesting than the cheesefest we see in GSL and in the Korean ladder (reference Huk's stream) That's pretty much like saying you don't think SC2 is interesting. Don't hate the players, hate the game. They're just pushing the boundaries of what's possible in the realm of cheese, all-ins, early pressure and timing attacks when you have the higher skill required to back it up given the current map pool and balance. Until players learn to defend stuff like that more reliably, or something changes balance-wise, that's what SC2 is. | ||
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:43 FreeUrMind wrote: I think the games that were casted today were far more interesting than the cheesefest we see in GSL and in the Korean ladder (reference Huk's stream) I watch non-Korean tournaments and almost always, the games go much longer than Korean ones. This is probably more entertaining, but this also shows how lower the level of other players are compared to Koreans, IMO. Wasn't Ret saying "Europeans cannot take advantage of Zerg's early weakness"? Non-Korean players are extremely weak in terms of cheesing and defending a cheese. They are also fairly weaker when it comes to timing pushes. We see all sorts of weird timing pushes in GSL. So as a fan, I like longer games, but this is, IMO, one of the biggest reasons why we saw 4 Liquid-oGs players saw in top 4 the other day. Ret wouldn't have survived until top 4 in a Korean event due to cheese/timing pushes. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:01 ptbl wrote: So, TLO is guaranteed at least 1250 pounds? yea | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
shit just got real | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
ok, I just converted pounds to dollars. 1250 pounds is almost 2k! Holy cow. Wouldn't it be great if haypro and TLO finish 1-2 in whatever order. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On January 09 2011 04:59 Xxavi wrote: I watch non-Korean tournaments and almost always, the games go much longer than Korean ones. This is probably more entertaining, but this also shows how lower the level of other players are compared to Koreans, IMO. Wasn't Ret saying "Europeans cannot take advantage of Zerg's early weakness"? Non-Korean players are extremely weak in terms of cheesing and defending a cheese. They are also fairly weaker when it comes to timing pushes. We see all sorts of weird timing pushes in GSL. So as a fan, I like longer games, but this is, IMO, one of the biggest reasons why we saw 4 Liquid-oGs players saw in top 4 the other day. Ret wouldn't have survived until top 4 in a Korean event due to cheese/timing pushes. they only had to play 1 BO3 to reach top 4. oGsTop won that tournament and he lost to Fenix and Naama at Dreamhack. I wouldn't say they are on a much lower level. Select is also doing pretty good on the Korean ladder, but he lost to TLO and Naniwa in this week. They are better at cheese/all-in, because that's the only thing they seem to do on ladder judging from the streams. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:12 vdale wrote: they only had to play 1 BO3 to reach top 4. oGsTop won that tournament and he lost to Fenix and Naama at Dreamhack. I wouldn't say they are on a much lower level. Select is also doing pretty good on the Korean ladder, but he lost to TLO and Naniwa in this week. They are better at cheese/all-in, because that's the only thing they seem to do on ladder judging from the streams. To be honest with you, I do not consider any of the oGsTop, Select etc. can be called as one of the better players in Korea. Most of those we saw are not even S class. And even S class ones are pretty mediocre (like oGsInca) in GSL as a whole. May be non-Koreans are not MUCH lower, but cheese/all-in aside, they are still a bit behind. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:12 vdale wrote: they only had to play 1 BO3 to reach top 4. oGsTop won that tournament and he lost to Fenix and Naama at Dreamhack. I wouldn't say they are on a much lower level. Select is also doing pretty good on the Korean ladder, but he lost to TLO and Naniwa in this week. They are better at cheese/all-in, because that's the only thing they seem to do on ladder judging from the streams. Yep, also I think that TLO would have gone very far in GSL S1 if he didn't loose to cheesy chedderdub. Anyone can pull out cheesy play but as we saw the GSLs were not won by the bunch of cheesers and there is much more in SC 2 to be explored - check out Boxer vs Chedderdub | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:25 FreeUrMind wrote: Yep, also I think that TLO would have gone very far in GSL S1 if he didn't loose to cheesy chedderdub. Anyone can pull out cheesy play but as we saw the GSLs were not won by the bunch of cheesers and there is much more in SC 2 to be explored - check out Boxer vs Chedderdub Uh, Hyperdub outplayed him in game 2 and in game 1 TLO only managed to come back due huge mistakes/luck (vikings being nuked). Well that's not fair, TLO did play well in game 1, but to get into that situation he was outplayed early on. | ||
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neocron
United Kingdom505 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:25 FreeUrMind wrote: Yep, also I think that TLO would have gone very far in GSL S1 if he didn't loose to cheesy chedderdub. Anyone can pull out cheesy play but as we saw the GSLs were not won by the bunch of cheesers and there is much more in SC 2 to be explored - check out Boxer vs Chedderdub Oh come on... Don't bring that back up again. TLO just barely won game 1 there and got crushed in the second one. On January 09 2011 05:28 neocron wrote: Cant watch the stream! Can u post results of the games? Would be great! Haypro playing SarenS again atm in the LB Seems they are using some sort of extended series rule, so it's 2:1 already in a bo7 (?) edit: Haypro just won, so it's 3:1 now | ||
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neocron
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:41 Born)Slippy wrote: Who is commentating this? "shi-something" according to himself. Is this supposed to be a professional, serious cast? If yes (i.e. it's supposed to be serious casting), it's quite disappointing. This guy sounds like he's talking to his buddies in a pub. sheekthief from ragequit.tv and he's just a standin as there would have been no cast at all if ragequit didn't do it | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:43 ptbl wrote: haypro repeating the same mistake from the last steppes of war he played. didn't go for drone rush? | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
haypro lost on steppes of lol | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:44 FliedLice wrote: 3:2 haypro lost on steppes of lol rofl | ||
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:44 ptbl wrote: Nope, he went for 14 hatch and got bunker rushed with 2 rax. That's not a mistake. | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:45 FreeUrMind wrote: haypro got bunker rushed, score is 3:2 now, scrap station next map It's 3-2 though | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:45 FreeUrMind wrote: haypro got bunker rushed, score is 3:3 now, final game coming Caster saying it's 3-2? Anyway sad he can't veto steppes ;( | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:46 Numy wrote: Caster saying it's 3-2? Anyway sad he can't veto steppes ;( It is 3:2 Started 2:1 Haypro won Xel Naga Sarens won Steppes | ||
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:43 FliedLice wrote: sheekthief from ragequit.tv and he's just a standin as there would have been no cast at all if ragequit didn't do it Too bad - some nice games, and a nice prize pool. Isn't tournament sponsorship kind of dependent on getting people to follow the tournament, and hence decent casting should be a priority? Don't get me wrong, the casting is far from horrible but a simple side-by-side comparison of this to the TL Open running concurrently... let's just say it's quite odd that a £5000 tournament doesn't seem to take itself very seriously. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
haypro didn't put a drone patrolling at his ramp. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:49 Born)Slippy wrote: Too bad - some nice games, and a nice prize pool. Isn't tournament sponsorship kind of dependent on getting people to follow the tournament, and hence decent casting should be a priority? Don't get me wrong, the casting is far from horrible but a simple side-by-side comparison of this to the TL Open running concurrently... let's just say it's quite odd that a £5000 tournament doesn't seem to take itself very seriously. They had a commentator lined up, but they didn't show up for one reason or another. That said I'm not impressed with the tournament organization anyway. Much love for the guys @ ragequit though <3 | ||
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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plaSsoN
Germany39 Posts
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:52 plaSsoN wrote: Can someone tell me, how HayprO manages to play the PokerIdol cup and the SteelSeries match (vs HUK) at the same time? Both streams are running and both cast different matches with HayprO. Did i miss something? He's a robot from outer space. He's also playing in a chess tournament - one of those with clocks and 30 seconds per move. | ||
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:52 plaSsoN wrote: Can someone tell me, how HayprO manages to play the PokerIdol cup and the SteelSeries match (vs HuK) at the same time? Both streams are running and both cast different matches with HayprO. Did i miss something? Prolly the one vs Huk is pre-recorded or replay? | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:52 plaSsoN wrote: Can someone tell me, how HayprO manages to play the PokerIdol cup and the SteelSeries match (vs HuK) at the same time? Both streams are running and both cast different matches with HayprO. Did i miss something? Lol no idea.. edit: yeah... they're casting replays, duh -.- | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On January 09 2011 05:52 plaSsoN wrote: Can someone tell me, how HayprO manages to play the PokerIdol cup and the SteelSeries match (vs HuK) at the same time? Both streams are running and both cast different matches with HayprO. Did i miss something? Europe vs America is a replay cast. | ||
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plaSsoN
Germany39 Posts
K, thanks for the info. | ||
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
playing against Select next | ||
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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KiNGxXx
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neocron
United Kingdom505 Posts
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
On January 09 2011 06:01 KiNGxXx wrote: Nice! But i don't think Haypro will win against Select. Even though a total Liquid final would be awesome! except he will face Sjow if he beats Select | ||
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jagnap
Germany29 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
Massing games in the ladder is quite a different experience than the one in tournament play | ||
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neocron
United Kingdom505 Posts
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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cobrastyle
32 Posts
On January 09 2011 06:10 neocron wrote: Actually I believe that is a favor for TLO. He can now take a break and rest while alle the other guys have to play! He might be better concentrated. Except of Sjow. He also has a really long break but also a nice "warmup" before the overall final (in case he wins). | ||
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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Montenegro10532 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
shame, looked like he had that game =/ | ||
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BritishBeef
United Kingdom372 Posts
2-2 marines absolutely demolish muta beyond reason | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On January 09 2011 06:31 BritishBeef wrote: note to self 2-2 marines absolutely demolish muta beyond reason 3-3 | ||
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Rouel
Sweden138 Posts
Select isn't as good as him so it became an entertaining game, I really enjoyed it. | ||
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FreeUrMind
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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BritishBeef
United Kingdom372 Posts
True but i was talking about the time when he was still 2-2 and had about 12 marines kill 16 muta.. Anyway this game is looking so bad for haypro! | ||
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ahbon
France325 Posts
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United States6074 Posts
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FreeUrMind
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
On January 09 2011 06:52 coddan wrote: Is the loser not picking maps? Haypro loses twice in a row and gets first Jungle Basin, then Lost Temple. What? What do u suggest he should get? Blistering Sands or Steppes of War Just kidding, I also think Metalopolis and Xel Naga would be better | ||
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FreeUrMind
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Haypro fighting! | ||
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BritishBeef
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canilsen
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Apoo
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
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FreeUrMind
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FreeUrMind
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ptbl
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searcher
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ptbl
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:25 searcher wrote: Why do all these zergs go all out with broodlords and never get anti-air to defend them? I've never seen a Terran at the pro level be surprised by broodlords. They always have vikings in production or ready when the zerg brings his broodlords to the battle, which end up dying in the battle or very soon after. In this game, it seems to me Haypro did not need more than 5 broodlords for that attack and could have used the 4 corruptors to protect them. Because the idea is to make the Terran to go mass vikings and then produce ultralisks once he does, but Select did not commit to vikings really and Haypro did not have enough money for ultras | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
Zerg right now cannot deal with Terrans or may be do not know. It's difficult to say which player is better looking at Select-Haypro match. | ||
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Germany148 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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dignitasNewmaN
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Belarion
Germany47 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:28 Xxavi wrote: Well, Haypro did well there. I am sure TLO as a zerg would have lost long time ago and wouldn't even advance as far as Haypro did. You cant say that for sure. TLO finished MLG Dallas 5th with Zerg only and was the best Zerg attending. Better than zergs like idra, ret and sen. Perhaps TLO would have come as far, perhaps not. | ||
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Elsid
Ireland318 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:28 Xxavi wrote: Well, Haypro did well there. I am sure TLO as a zerg would have lost long time ago and wouldn't even advance as far as Haypro did. Zerg right now cannot deal with Terrans or may be do not know. It's difficult to say which player is better looking at Select-Haypro match. All i've seen you do in this thread is trash TLO and balance whine. :l Stop , it's ridiculous. Aside from that pity about haypro, he was looking very strong in his matches though. ^ ^ Hopefully TLO can take the gold. :D | ||
Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
And Sjow is good @ TvT. Go Select! | ||
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DBrave
Serbia379 Posts
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jagnap
Germany29 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:46 DBrave wrote: please we need caster who wants to help. This guy who is casting atm is getting tired, he needs help or replacement Here and available if required. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Oh hells yeah. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
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lord_ghostmaster
Germany54 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:52 Geo.Rion wrote: is TLO gonna TvT the entire finals? I thought he's back to random but so far i ve seen only T games from him here yeah im wondering too... go TB! | ||
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jagnap
Germany29 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:52 Geo.Rion wrote: is TLO gonna TvT the entire finals? I thought he's back to random but so far i ve seen only T games from him here He picked T all the time. Only in one game against Sjow he tried Random, but got T anyways ;-) | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
It's ridiculous. And I also don't understand why the format of this tournament allows this. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:55 lord_ghostmaster wrote: yeah im wondering too... go TB! He's race picking and likes TvT. There were a few race pickers in BW too. Mainly to not have mirror matchups but it happened. Don't see an issue with it | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:57 Xxavi wrote: I trash TLO because it is ridiculous that he went back to Terran after that huge-ass announcement by him as to why Zerg is more suited to him and offers more to him. I came to know about his switch back to Terran today. It's ridiculous. And I also don't understand why the format of this tournament allows this. Why is it ridiculous? | ||
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:57 Xxavi wrote: I trash TLO because it is ridiculous that he went back to Terran after that huge-ass announcement by him as to why Zerg is more suited to him and offers more to him. I came to know about his switch back to Terran today. It's ridiculous. And I also don't understand why the format of this tournament allows this. Hey calm down and read this interview with TLO. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182109 | ||
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Elsid
Ireland318 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:57 Xxavi wrote: I trash TLO because it is ridiculous that he went back to Terran after that huge-ass announcement by him as to why Zerg is more suited to him and offers more to him. I came to know about his switch back to Terran today. It's ridiculous. And I also don't understand why the format of this tournament allows this. He's practicing using random, he's in a tournament playing vT he can choose whichever is his favourite matchup and play it. He didn't "switch to terran" he likes TvT on top of that, why would you care if he switched to terran. He's clearly still able to compete with top players. Honestly , why do you care? It's not like he went into the venue and just punched someone in the face. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Art.FeeL
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dmans
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:13 Art.FeeL wrote: are there any brackets? http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=234 | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:13 Talin wrote: Am I getting all this wrong or did they change the tournament format to make the Select vs Sjow a BO3 when it was supposed to be a BO5 because they wanted a "shorter match"? I'm just picking random clues from the stream, but that's what it looked like to me... I'm pretty sure they are having to shorten things because it's got so late, this is supposed to be a one day LAN and it's already 11:15pm here. They've been going for almost 12 hours now, rather unfortunate that they are short on time but I think it's better to have a shorter series than having it all drag out to like 1am or something. I'd imagine any live audience has been thinning out as well. | ||
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Thezzphai
Germany1145 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:39 Elsid wrote: All i've seen you do in this thread is trash TLO and balance whine. :l Stop , it's ridiculous. Well, thats pretty much all he does in every thread. I simply ignore such people, maybe you should try the same | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
Im impressed TLO can pull it off. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
I don't mind that much, but whoever won (sjow now) will be a little less exhausted in the grand finals than he would normally be if the tournament format was respected. You don't generally change those things at this point. =/ Ah well, gogo TLO. | ||
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cobrastyle
32 Posts
On January 09 2011 07:57 Xxavi wrote: It's ridiculous. And I also don't understand why the format of this tournament allows this. Allows what? TLO played only Terran so far in this tournament. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:21 cobrastyle wrote: Allows what? TLO played only Terran so far in this tournament. He played 1 game R (got T anyway) The shortening makes sense, bo5 TvT with mostly go to the final game between good players = 2hours 30 ish. Bo7 TvT = 3hours ish. Be going on towards 2am and I'm pretty sure all admins/players/fans really just want to go home now. I wouldn't be suprised to see the final cut short, (Only £250 difference) to a bo3. But i've got all streams on mute (FA cup highlights ftw :D) so dno whats being said | ||
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TheMenace
Germany244 Posts
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:21 cobrastyle wrote: Allows what? TLO played only Terran so far in this tournament. No, he picked random in one map against Sjow (but got terran). | ||
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gunnersmate
United Kingdom12 Posts
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:21 cobrastyle wrote: Allows what? TLO played only Terran so far in this tournament. He like TvT, only played terrans = racepicked terran each game. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Germany357 Posts
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Norway2551 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:24 gunnersmate wrote: Some half decent snaps of the event I took earlier http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbman/sets/72157625779015072/with/5337432104/ Thanks for sharing | ||
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:24 gunnersmate wrote: Some half decent snaps of the event I took earlier http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbman/sets/72157625779015072/with/5337432104/ you even got goody! | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Is that the guy with the long blond hair? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:25 Orome wrote: oh thank god for totalbiscuit Also, Sheekthief finally began to take the casting serious after he started to cast with TB. | ||
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kyla
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:32 Orome wrote: yea stream down? | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:32 Orome wrote: stream down? own3d have been having trouble all weekend, though seems this one was on sheeks end >< === great pics gunners | ||
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rnst
Germany42 Posts
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Norway286 Posts
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Canada1450 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
seriously, 3 hellions just took out like 30 scv's? | ||
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:30 Telcontar wrote: Is that the guy with the long blond hair? sitting, long hair, beard. | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:32 kyla wrote: so sjow has to win 2x bo3/Bo5 now because he already lost to tlo in the upper bracket final? Ofcause. | ||
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KiNGxXx
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Estonia890 Posts
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Renove
Belgium333 Posts
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Norway2551 Posts
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Muesli_
Germany83 Posts
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eksert
France656 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:39 Muesli_ wrote: seriously. it might help if the caster would just stop tabbing all the time. Alt tabbing doesn't matter when you're in windowed fullscreen. The lag didnt even appear when he was doing that. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Sorry guys, I tried :\ | ||
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plaSsoN
Germany39 Posts
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Muesli_
Germany83 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:40 coddan wrote: Alt tabbing doesn't matter when you're in windowed fullscreen. The lag didnt even appear when he was doing that. ah sorry. wasn't aware of that. | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:38 coddan wrote: THANK YOU BLIZZARD for what? Ragequit and TB weren't actually on site, were they? | ||
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debasers
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scuta
Germany113 Posts
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jagnap
Germany29 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:40 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yeah sorry, it looks like the stream is having issues and I can't consider co-casting if it's going to lag the players. Dunno what's going on tbh. Hopefully they get it sorted out. Sorry guys, I tried :\ U did a great job anyway! Thanks for that! | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
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bpf
Germany105 Posts
they organise a lan and then there is no cast for the grand final??? | ||
NonY
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On January 09 2011 08:41 Redmark wrote: for what? Ragequit and TB weren't actually on site, were they? Isn't that sort of the point? There's no LAN so everything has to be done through battle.net. If there's LAN, then casters are on site and the games are played on LAN. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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gunnersmate
United Kingdom12 Posts
Yeah thats the guy he knocked me out of the winners bracket round 2, decent guy all round Btw those chairs ant that comfy the arms are all falling apart and the internet at gamerbase is crap thats why the casters are all dcing | ||
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Germany83 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2086 Posts
TLO looks like his in great shape again :D | ||
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Ireland1230 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:40 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yeah sorry, it looks like the stream is having issues and I can't consider co-casting if it's going to lag the players. Dunno what's going on tbh. Hopefully they get it sorted out. Sorry guys, I tried :\ Looks like drool or whoever's casting is going to cast the replays. Would be cool if you could join him in that. | ||
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ptbl
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
Great spectator sport with no spectators. I am sure the sponsor is thrilled they couldn't atleast try to have it casted. Sjow, there is money on the line, because people watch this. Not because they hope you play an awesome finale in private for them.... Just think! | ||
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Iraq1230 Posts
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peeeky
Canada631 Posts
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
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Haian(
Germany64 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:46 Liquid`HayprO wrote: dario winning atm NO SPOILERS | ||
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Crystal368
Sweden161 Posts
I was looking forward to this final :/ | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:46 Liquid`HayprO wrote: dario winning atm Livereport pls! :D | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:46 Donttazemebro wrote: Lol, Sjow not even trying to let ragequit.tv try again if they are not lagging. Great spectator sport with no spectators. I am sure the sponsor is thrilled they couldn't atleast try to have it casted. Sjow, there is money on the line, because people watch this. Not because they hope you play an awesome finale in private for them.... Just think! Because they have been lagging the whole day, every game. The whole tournament has been absolutely ridiculous. I've never seen anything like this in this game before. | ||
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Switzerland11984 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:45 Orome wrote: Looks like drool or whoever's casting is going to cast the replays. Would be cool if you could join him in that. That's up to the guys at Ragequit, it's their gig. Not involved in this in any official capacity. | ||
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plaSsoN
Germany39 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:46 Liquid`HayprO wrote: dario winning atm Thanks for the update. Perhaps you could keep providing us some info | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:46 Liquid`HayprO wrote: dario winning atm Haypr0! please give us some updates. We're all in the blind here because sjow forced all the casters to leave. | ||
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scuta
Germany113 Posts
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
TLO up 1-0 so far | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Besides, shouldn't an admin deal with this rather than SjoW himself? | ||
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p0werf00L
Germany30 Posts
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
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Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:48 coddan wrote: Because they have been lagging the whole day, every game. The whole tournament has been absolutely ridiculous. I've never seen anything like this in this game before. Not in the last 10 sets I watched. Don't know what you watched. Of course it sucks they don't have someone in the EU cast this, but giving him a minute to fix it and then atleast try one more time isn't asking too much. | ||
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kyla
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:50 Liquid`HayprO wrote: hes going 4 fac hellions only Mate please can you spoiler any updates? Just to keep everyone happy. And congratulations on your performance | ||
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debasers
737 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:50 Liquid`HayprO wrote: hes going 4 fac hellions only lolwat TLO crushing nerds left and right :D | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
Thanks Haypro for the live report! | ||
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Talinyo
Germany2 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Liquid`HayprO
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Lightspeed
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On January 09 2011 08:40 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yeah sorry, it looks like the stream is having issues and I can't consider co-casting if it's going to lag the players. Dunno what's going on tbh. Hopefully they get it sorted out. Sorry guys, I tried :\ Don't worry, the five minutes you were casting were the most enjoyable all day | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:48 coddan wrote: Because they have been lagging the whole day, every game. The whole tournament has been absolutely ridiculous. I've never seen anything like this in this game before. Are we even watching the same tiurnament? I've been here for 10+ hrs and the casters and streams have relatively been great. I'm just glad they are showing the games. | ||
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Lightspeed
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gunnersmate
United Kingdom12 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:45 Copymizer wrote: Nice pictures gunnersmate ! Thanks for providing TLO looks like his in great shape again :DNp thanks for all the views getting tons atm! Yeah TLO is amazing to watch in the flesh fastest keyboard skills there apart from select, also drinks a lot of orange juice http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbman/sets/72157625779015072/with/5337432104/ | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Germany1107 Posts
pls... i am trying to get darkforce into using his stream, but he is ingame also, i cannot understand to find a fix for letting 6000 viewers and instant starting the games, just saying out. why not find a fix before ? the only reason there is price money are the viewers. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:54 Lightspeed wrote: Please keep us updated Haypro, livereport much appreciated! Yes please updates! Ignore spoiler complaints. | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
2-0 tlo | ||
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thecolourofhaze
Germany21 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + tlo wins | ||
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
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wase
Spain138 Posts
TLO won match 2 | ||
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Fluger
Sweden32 Posts
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Talinyo
Germany2 Posts
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blomsterjohn
Norway463 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:57 Donttazemebro wrote: Yeah, Sjow totally overreacting here. Some stick up that guys ass. He already won 1250GBP, chill man and let the people watch. Most of them want to watch TLO anyway, not you sjow. They were lagging like hell and the stream froze everytime they did?? | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:57 Donttazemebro wrote: Yeah, Sjow totally overreacting here. Some stick up that guys ass. He already won 1250GBP, chill man and let the people watch. Most of them want to watch TLO anyway, not you sjow. I have to agree. sjow should of shown more class. Keep up the good work casters. | ||
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:59 ptbl wrote: I have to agree. sjow should of shown more class. Keep up the good work casters. Must have missed this. What happened? | ||
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debasers
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Supertopchecker
Germany18 Posts
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blomsterjohn
Norway463 Posts
both drool and the brit kept freezing for up to like.. 5-10seconds, so they had to leave | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:59 blomsterjohn wrote: They were lagging like hell and the stream froze everytime they did?? It wouldn't happen again as it was apparently due to trying to co-cast with TotalBiscuit on Skype. The original stream was fine the whole day, and when TB left and Skype got closed there would have been no issues. The caster tried to explain it in the lobby before the next game, but SjoW didn't want to hear it, so... | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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Clafou
Belgium921 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:01 Cyberus wrote: so this means TLO won the whole thing !?? Yep | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
Before the start of the second game, sjow threatened the casters that if they didn't leave game, he would never be allowed to cast any of his games. So the caster left and all the viewers missed the grand finals of the tournament between TLO and sjow. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:02 Odoakar wrote: Holy shit, TLO won 5k pounds! Who cares about GSL, so happy for him right now. 1500 pounds (the entire prizepool is 5k pounds in total) | ||
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BritishBeef
United Kingdom372 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:02 Odoakar wrote: Holy shit, TLO won 5k pounds! Who cares about GSL, so happy for him right now. Actually he won 1500 and sjow won 1250 if i recall correctly. | ||
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Germany1107 Posts
On January 09 2011 08:58 Talinyo wrote: Oh boy I should really get a stream up and running for future tournaments like this. I mean I cannot cast but I do have a big Internet connection and besides I do live in the same town as Dario xD man even i have a stream, there are tons of eu streamers with solid cable right now live. there is absolutely no reason to just rush into a 2 viewers game final of a tourney with 5000 bucks and 6000 viewers the whole tourney, thats just total nuts. if i were sjow, i would at least apologize. if i had the guts. | ||
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
Sad that we missed the final match but i can understand the players. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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vek-
Germany49 Posts
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NapstaR
Germany128 Posts
dont open if you do not wanna know who won + Show Spoiler + tlo won 3-0 it was bo5, he was from winnersbracket, he started with 1-0 won 2 games, thats it well ok :D | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
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w33dOr
Germany126 Posts
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
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Mangooze
Netherlands301 Posts
I just don't get it that not a single person in the EU is able to cast it though, so someone from the US has to do it, which went good up to the finals. Oh and I'm glad SjoW didn't win . | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:04 syllogism wrote: It was well in his right to ask the casters to leave, but that threat was so childish Actually it wasn't. The tournament had an admin and he should've been the one to decide whether the casters were going to leave, or to put things on hold until stream issues are fixed, or to find alternative casters, or at least just get the game streamed without casting. Plenty of options. The only thing that was within SjoW's rights is to forfeit the match if he didn't want to play. | ||
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Oman
Germany5 Posts
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4722 Posts
The right question to ask is how you host a 5000 pounds tournament and don't have a working official stream set up. There was a stream on gamerbase.com this afternoon, but the caster could not show the big battles because then he would start to lag. So he showed some random stuff on the map. This tournament is just terrible organized from a spectators point of view. | ||
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doerit
Germany234 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:05 FaRess wrote: It was a good tournament until SjoW spoiled it for everyone you gotta be kidding. The casters lagged at crucial times during the first game, I can 100% understand SjoW. I am so glad rq.tv covered the whole thing, was a great sc2 Saturday, thank you for casting! | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Veasel
Sweden159 Posts
Althou there should for the next time be some better preperation for the whole thing, but anyways i'd had a great day enyoing great players with two great casters. ALL CREEDS and for those who are angry at SjoW, you guys really have no respect. As been mentioned they have been putting up with laggs all day without much complainment. But four 20 sec lagg spikes in one game is too much for anyone and that's nothing we can't do anything about. GG | ||
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United Kingdom6921 Posts
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noaki
Germany145 Posts
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NapstaR
Germany128 Posts
Also i dont think that an apology by sjow would help anything, that doesnt make the games being casted anyway... But of course Congratulations to TLO :> I hope they start focusing on the viewers in the rules too. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:07 Malinor wrote: It doesn't seem right that you guys blame Sjow that he does not want lag in his game and doesn't want to listen to some guy explaining to him why he lags. This is a grand final, as a player you would get annoyed as hell. Besides, they asked the caster out before and when he lagged again, TLO said in chat "WTF, he is still in here?". They were probably really pissed by then. If Jinro and TT1 could wait for hours at MLG, so can they. You're forgetting that the whole point of having tournaments with sponsorships and money rewards in the first place is because people want to watch the games. That actually takes priority over players' preferences and problems, because it's what generates the money they're winning right now. Yes it's horrible for a caster to lag during the grand finals, and it's an organizational flaw, and getting an improvised co-caster on was a bad idea. But that's no reason for a PLAYER to decide that streaming isn't going to happen. They may have been pissed off, but that's life. If they felt the game was influenced by the lag, they could discuss with the admin to have it replayed. There are standard ways of dealing with everything. | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:07 Malinor wrote: The right question to ask is how you host a 5000 pounds tournament and don't have a working official stream set up. There was a stream on gamerbase.com this afternoon, but the caster could not show the big battles because then he would start to lag. So he showed some random stuff on the map. This tournament is just terrible organized from a spectators point of view. This! Don't blame the players or the streamers from ragequit. If you have such a big tournament you need a good and official stream and a rule that all games have to be casted. Anyway, gratz to Dario! I am really happy that he won and even more that he seems to be healthy again! | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
Without viewers there would be no sponsors, withot sponsors there would be no money, hope players who go crazy to the point of not allowing espectators can live with the prizes of craft cup lites. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Supertopchecker
Germany18 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4722 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:13 Talin wrote: If Jinro and TT1 could wait for hours at MLG, so can they. You're forgetting that the whole point of having tournaments with sponsorships and money rewards in the first place is because people want to watch the games. That actually takes priority over players' preferences and problems, because it's what generates the money they're winning right now. Yes it's horrible for a caster to lag during the grand finals, and it's an organizational flaw, and getting an improvised co-caster on was a bad idea. But that's no reason for a PLAYER to decide that streaming isn't going to happen. They may have been pissed off, but that's life. If they felt the game was influenced by the lag, they could discuss with the admin to have it replayed. There are standard ways of dealing with everything. I am not forgetting anything. MLG was HORRIBLE. By the time they played the finals finally, I had lost all interest in who would win. I was actually waiting forever and finally fall asleep. In this tourney, It was already after midnight in London and they were playing for 14 hours or so. Furthermore, it was not even an official streamer, for all they knew it was just a random streamer. How do you even know they were aware of the viewing situation for some guys on teamliquid. Also, Sjow didn't decide anything, he just threatened the guy (and you can judge him for that). But the countdown already started when the streamer left, he wasn't forced out, he left voluntarily in the end. | ||
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Lightspeed
130 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:13 Talin wrote: If Jinro and TT1 could wait for hours at MLG, so can they. At midnight? After having played a brutal bracket for 12 hours? Matter of fact, neither the players (the ones that showed up anyway) nor the clutch streamers are to blame but rather the tourney organizers, for not getting a proper official stream running, for not getting the players on site in time, for trying to run a double elim bracket with bo5s in a single day and so on and so forth. Anyway, gz to TLO, 2011 starts well for him, thanks drooL, razamathingy, sheekthief and totalbiscuit for saving this from a viewers perspective and thanks to all the players for putting up some great games. I don't really want to see another TvT for a couple of days though :D | ||
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Malinor
Germany4722 Posts
And congratulations to TLO for a great tournament, and also all the other guys who cashed in. It was very fun to watch. | ||
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strahlemann
Germany15 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:14 Usagi wrote: Thanks RageQuit TV for the great work untill things got fucked up, and Sjow went crazy and decided he wanted no watchers. Without viewers there would be no sponsors, withot sponsors there would be no money, hope players who go crazy to the point of not allowing espectators can live with the prizes of craft cup lites. exactly my opinion, players like sjow and morrow dont understand that i think, they are too young and naive hrhr | ||
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noaki
Germany145 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:17 Malinor wrote: I am not forgetting anything. MLG was HORRIBLE. By the time they played the finals finally, I had lost all interest in who would win. I was actually waiting forever and finally fall asleep. In this tourney, It was already after midnight in London and they were playing for 14 hours or so. Furthermore, it was not even an official streamer, for all they know it was just a random streamer. How do you even know they were aware of the viewing situation for some guys on teamliquid. Also, Sjow didn't decide anything, he just threatened the guy (and you can judge him for that). But the countdown already started when the streamer left, he wasn't forced out, he left voluntarily in the end. yea, but he left to not cause any trouble for drool whose account he was using | ||
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Quasimoto3000
United States471 Posts
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:14 zev318 wrote: sure, if it wasnt like 1am over there in europe, im sure they wouldnt have minded waiting hours for the casters to figure it out........... Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore. | ||
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
Where are the replays!? GRATZ TLO ♥ | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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NapstaR
Germany128 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:22 Cofo wrote: Are there/will there be VODS anywhere? well no vods, nobody casted the game :D | ||
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bluesoup
Macedonia107 Posts
Or just casters should refuse to cast any of his games until he publicly apologizes... | ||
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Ren91
United Kingdom190 Posts
wasnt there a ref? or tlo could upload em.. hes probably a bit busy celebrating though ^^ | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote: Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore. im with u, but sjow could have been not feeling well etc etc who knows i would have preferred to seen a final postponed till tmr or something so everyone could watch | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:19 Lightspeed wrote: At midnight? After having played a brutal bracket for 12 hours? Matter of fact, neither the players (the ones that showed up anyway) nor the clutch streamers are to blame but rather the tourney organizers, for not getting a proper official stream running, for not getting the players on site in time, for trying to run a double elim bracket with bo5s in a single day and so on and so forth. I am entirely blaming the tournament organizers and admins for everything you mentioned. I'm just disliking SjoW for directly forcing an issue he shouldn't have a say on that denied us the stream of almost the entire grand finals (even though the issues were fixed). By the way, I think the tournament admin or one of them at least was online and in contact with the caster for most of the time (it was the smile fellow). So I'm pretty sure the streamer was officially approved. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote: Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore. The problem with the time is transport/tickets/hotels/plans etc. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc. The tournament was run great in the overall picture after a lot of small errors. | ||
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Germany1107 Posts
GGs, there were a lot of entertaining games at this tournament that could be watched. thats what it is about. if you want a scene to grow, and stream to masses, technical issues will happen. we all know that. even a single player knows lags, spikes, disconnects and stuff. this can happen to everyone. we just need to handle this better and handle that in a rational way. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4722 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:20 noaki wrote: yea, but he left to not cause any trouble for drool which account he was using And he did the right thing. Also the players did the right thing, they just wanted the games to go smoothly after a 14h day. Again, there was just an admin who didn't do anything when he should have said something, and a very bad organized tournament from a spectators point of view. And to everyone, maybe put yourself in Sjow's shoes for once. He was up 2-0 in WB-final against TLO, then loses 2-3. Later he is containting TLO in game1 in the grand final and then 6 Helions tear apart millions of scvs and marines in your base. And then some guy in your game lags several times during the game. You really expect him to stay calm there (besides, TLO was as pissed as Sjow if you followed the chat)? | ||
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NapstaR
Germany128 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:24 Ren91 wrote: wasnt there a ref? or tlo could upload em.. hes probably a bit busy celebrating though ^^ Well afaik the admin and both player gone offline after the game, i'm not even sure the admin was ingame i actually think he wasnt. | ||
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polarity
53 Posts
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:28 NapstaR wrote: Well afaik the admin and both player gone offline after the game, i'm not even sure the admin was ingame i actually think he wasnt. The admin was lagging himself, replays will be uploaded to the bracket. I presume after everything has calmed down/the morning. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:26 ste0731 wrote: . Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc. well, I have actually been in that situation, around 3 am, finding taxis and busses link so I could get to Standsted airport in time, and would have been much more comfortable if I know I had just won 1250 pounds yknow. | ||
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theonlyrio
United Kingdom200 Posts
, loved meeting TLO and haypro and such :D got my phone signed plus the tournament was run well, from what i was able to see at least. People could readily find their matches and such. Great experience and will hope there are more to come. | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:29 Usagi wrote: well, I have actually been in that situation, around 3 am, finding taxis and busses link so I could get to Standsted airport in time, and would have been much more comfortable if I know I had just won 1250 pounds yknow. But thats not an ideal situation, next time theres a tournament and you invite player X he thinks Oh no i was stuck in london at 3am and he won't play. I can't see how u can blame anyone, the only thing u can blame is them all for playing T and creating so many TvT's that last forever :D Apart from that, really enjoyed todays tournament Thanks smile and all other admins and people who put in a LOT Of work to get this organized. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:26 ste0731 wrote: The problem with the time is transport/tickets/hotels/plans etc. Transport in the UK is TERRIBLE after midnight, and the later it gets the worse it is. Would you like to be walking around london at 3am on a saturday night trying to find your hotel, getting on/off the tube etc etc. The tournament was run great in the overall picture after a lot of small errors. Oh come on I have lived in London for 8 years, and this is simply not true. They are in Piccadilly on a Saturday night, they can find a cab within 10 minutes at any time of the day and night. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:30 ste0731 wrote: But thats not an ideal situation, next time theres a tournament and you invite player X he thinks Oh no i was stuck in london at 3am and he won't play. I can't see how u can blame anyone, the only thing u can blame is them all for playing T and creating so many TvT's that last forever :D Apart from that, really enjoyed todays tournament Thanks smile and all other admins and people who put in a LOT Of work to get this organized. I blame every terran player for not having self respect and playing that race! Btw, this is my first discussion ever around here, so excuse me if Idont know where the emoticon buttons are =0 | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:21 Usagi wrote: Im sure those people stay up far far later during tournaments, even more given it is saturday I have seen Sjow up at 3-4 am in other tournaments, it's the prize for placing high and getting the money, you are not in the playground anymore. I have seen Sjow up at 3-4am for US tournaments where he's aware of what time he's going to be playing sure, but at the point the lag incident happened they'd been playing competitively for almost 12 hours. Sjow might not have handled things in the politest fashion, but I'm sorry, if you feel the lag is interfering with your play to that extent then you are within your right to ask the person creating the lag to leave. Ultimately the responsiblity for the finals not being cast comes down to the tournament not ensuring that the tournament actually has a caster present, and summarily not having a back up plan to offer a decent quality stream (some awful quality livestream with an admin casting who can't even look at battles because he lags when he does doesn't count =p). The ragequit guys stepped in to offer the community a chance to watch, but the US -> EU connection is never going to be great and there were a number of lag issues today. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
This is my understanding from the information I've gathered. Please take it with a grain of salt. The tournament should have had an official, on-site caster. He never showed up. Ragequit stepped in to provide a stream. Had they not done so, the entire tournament would have been a disaster for the sponsors, which means pulling money OUT of the eSports scene in the UK. Not good. sheekthief cast for 6 hours solo, which puts him in the 'like a boss' category in my book. Sjow was upset about lag. This is understandable, his reaction after a long day of intense playing, also understandable. Not really his call to make to remove the caster, that would be an admin decision and up to the organisers, but you can't blame him for making that known.The fact that this stuff was evening happening at midnight? Ridiculous. Way too late for this kind of thing. Organisational failure, should have been split over 2 days if time was going to be an issue. Lack of reliable on-site caster? Inexcusable failure. I dunno who this guy was, but I know for a fact it was neither myself nor Apollo. This might sound arrogant as shit, but... name one other UK Starcraft 2 caster... because I can't. Who on earth did they ask who then didn't bother to show up? This concerns me because it's another setback for eSports in the UK and may damage the potential for big money sponsorship in this country for future events. Again please, grain of salt, I'm coming into this late with limited knowledge. | ||
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Veasel
Sweden159 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:26 Usagi wrote: Sjow has to be blamed, you cant have that attitude when you are getting such a big money. That is just unaceptable. WTF ARE YOU SAYING? That lagg ruined their whole game fucktard. DId u even watch what happend? Shut the FUCK up.. all this blame-throwing from noobs shouldt be acceptable -.- Serisly.. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
You're only within your rights to forfeit if you don't like how things are going. It's like showing up at any sort of live event and demanding that all the invited journalists and spectators leave because you don't like big crowds. Completely unacceptable in any shape or form. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:34 Veasel wrote: WTF ARE YOU SAYING? That lagg ruined their whole game fucktard. DId u even watch what happend? Shut the FUCK up.. all this blame-throwing from noobs shouldt be acceptable -.- Serisly.. Thank you for insulting me, and yes, I was watching the tournament, thanks again. | ||
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noaki
Germany145 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:27 Malinor wrote: And he did the right thing. Also the players did the right thing, they just wanted the games to go smoothly after a 14h day. Again, there was just an admin who didn't do anything when he should have said something, and a very bad organized tournament from a spectators point of view. And to everyone, maybe put yourself in Sjow's shoes for once. He was up 2-0 in WB-final against TLO, then loses 2-3. Later he is containting TLO in game1 in the grand final and then 6 Helions tear apart millions of scvs and marines in your base. And then some guy in your game lags several times during the game. You really expect him to stay calm there (besides, TLO was as pissed as Sjow if you followed the chat)? well the lag was probably fixed for game 2. and yeah in game one tlo asked to leave (please!) while sjow told him that he will never let him obs a game again and the game just started without even taking the time to let the caster explain. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:34 Veasel wrote: WTF ARE YOU SAYING? That lagg ruined their whole game fucktard. DId u even watch what happend? Shut the FUCK up.. all this blame-throwing from noobs shouldt be acceptable -.- Serisly.. I think you should settle down. I'm sure the mods don't appreciate the language you are using. It would be nice if you showed a little bit more class and civility. | ||
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dmans
Sweden358 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38220 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:35 Talin wrote:It's like showing up at any sort of live event and demanding that all the invited journalists and spectators leave because you don't like big crowds. Completely unacceptable in any shape or form. It's more like asking a group of ugly streakers to get off the pitch so you can carry on playing =p | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:39 Asha` wrote: It's more like asking a group of ugly streakers to get off the pitch so you can carry on playing =p Only bad thing is the streakers were the only ones with cameras to broadcast it xD | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:34 Veasel wrote: WTF ARE YOU SAYING? That lagg ruined their whole game fucktard. DId u even watch what happend? Shut the FUCK up.. all this blame-throwing from noobs shouldt be acceptable -.- Serisly.. it doesn't matter how hard it lagged in the game before. The sponsors put in 5000 pounds, you think they put in that money so that some player with a bad mood could stop the broadcasting of the finals? stuff like that hurts esports, because it will turn off potential sponsors. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:39 Asha` wrote: It's more like asking a group of ugly streakers to get off the pitch so you can carry on playing =p ragequit tv had official approval from the tournament organizers to cast the games, so your streaker analogy is without merit. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:39 Asha` wrote: It's more like asking a group of ugly streakers to get off the pitch so you can carry on playing =p Well you can't do even that as a player. You're expected to stand still and wait for the authorities / organizers to clean up the mess on the pitch. =P (besides, asking =/= demanding) | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: Sjow was upset about lag. This is understandable, his reaction after a long day of intense playing, also understandable. Not really his call to make to remove the caster, that would be an admin decision and up to the organisers, but you can't blame him for making that known. To me it's not what Sjow asked for, that is legitimate. It is how he did it. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:43 Hatsu wrote: To me it's not what Sjow asked for, that is legitimate. It is how he did it. This. Sjow showed a lack of tact and grace. Also, it didn't do him any favors when 5k+ people blame him for the lack of stream in the finals. The IRC chat was going crazy calling for Sjow's head. | ||
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
Yes, they lagged big time first game and they left! Not leaving there would have been wrong, but they did. Then, they don't get a CHANCE to fix the issue, have 5 minutes to ask an admin or find another EU caster to invite. If casters say after 3 minutes they fixed the issue and lag again, no one is gonna say anything if it's just not possible to cast. But casters got raged at and threatend and left, cause they didn't want to cause a scene. This was unacceptable of Sjow, to kill all communication there and shows he has zero interest in pleasing any of the thousands of fans watching. He might be a good player, but still has so much to learn... | ||
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billz
United Kingdom63 Posts
Now that I've defended the wonderful british transport system I'm going to continue to sit in this rancid smelling train surrounded by people singing such classics as all by my self and why are we waiting we are suffocating and try and stay awake until my stop, may post the odd vid from event tomorrow. | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
So, what Sjow did was acutally force the official cast out of the game and therefore destroying any chance of the users seeing the match. I'm not arguing if its understandable that he didnt like the lag or something. It probably is. But first of all, its not his decision if a caster is no longer allowed to JOIN the match. Its common procedure that a player asks a lagging caster to leave in the game, but have you ever seen that happening to the official cast before a game? And even if you say its justified to do so - which from my point of view it is not - then one could have hoped for a bit more insight from sjow. Obvioulsy all companies planning to host a sc2-tourny for advertisement will keep this failure in mind So he really hurt the UK-Sc2-Scene in my opinion.Thats just sad, and for me thats enough reason to never tune into his stream or care about his games in tourneys. Sure , now some people will flame and say "who cares", but i'm just stating my opinion, and i dont think i'm so alone with that. greetz | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
i hope everything went well, from what i read here there were some issues but nothing too severe. but overall i'm glad that most of you were content with ragequit.tv's effort to jump in for the cast on very short notice. we're always glad to deliver other than that: sorry sjow (in case you read this) that things didnt go for you as desired. lagging casters of course is unexcusable but again i didn't really know what happened. i just want to apologize for any inconvenience. i wasn't really involved but my account was :D so... just saying sorry. + Show Spoiler + and MASSIVE congrats to liquid and dario. the intense ladder sessions and the korea experience finally paid off for you dear sir, one of the best players in the world (right now, in my opinion). still entertaining to watch your games, just like in the beta. please never change since you and your play are one of a kind. /fanboy | ||
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dmans
Sweden358 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:51 Donttazemebro wrote: All the people defending Sjow here are way off. Yes, they lagged big time first game and they left! Not leaving there would have been wrong, but they did. Then, they don't get a CHANCE to fix the issue, have 5 minutes to ask an admin or find another EU caster to invite. If casters say after 3 minutes they fixed the issue and lag again, no one is gonna say anything if it's just not possible to cast. But casters got raged at and threatend and left, cause they didn't want to cause a scene. This was unacceptable of Sjow, to kill all communication there and shows he has zero interest in pleasing any of the thousands of fans watching. He might be a good player, but still has so much to learn... Come on, TLO also blamed caster because of lag in the chat. Sjow was the first one to say it in chat only. | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:54 dmans wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2011 09:51 Donttazemebro wrote: All the people defending Sjow here are way off. Yes, they lagged big time first game and they left! Not leaving there would have been wrong, but they did. Then, they don't get a CHANCE to fix the issue, have 5 minutes to ask an admin or find another EU caster to invite. If casters say after 3 minutes they fixed the issue and lag again, no one is gonna say anything if it's just not possible to cast. But casters got raged at and threatend and left, cause they didn't want to cause a scene. This was unacceptable of Sjow, to kill all communication there and shows he has zero interest in pleasing any of the thousands of fans watching. He might be a good player, but still has so much to learn... Come on, TLO also blamed caster because of lag in the chat. Sjow was the first one to say it in chat only. You cant really compare TLO asking a lagging caster to leave the current game and Sjow threatening said caster to never let him cast his games again, if he should not leave the lobby. Greetz | ||
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Germany1107 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:43 Hatsu wrote: To me it's not what Sjow asked for, that is legitimate. It is how he did it. yea but i can understand sjow in some way. he wants a lag free game, the caster was the obstacle and his best weapon to get rid of that is to threaten not letting him cast again. he knows that works, from experience and other players. sometimes not. like in starcraft quick decisions, quick results. someone did that on the esl stream with takesen, he messed with the wrong guys there and got punished, esl is a strong, strikt run, rich organisation. but with such weak admins, bad organisation and backup power punishments, it was worth the try for him to get rid of a problem. worked very effective. even viewers nerdrage forced a ragequit.tv to ragequit.tv. isnt that a sentence? | ||
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samaNo4
Spain245 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:54 drooL wrote: hey guys. i couldn't really catch the end of everything because i had to take care of some RL stuff as most of you know. i hope everything went well, from what i read here there were some issues but nothing too severe. but overall i'm glad that most of you were content with ragequit.tv's effort to jump in for the cast on very short notice. we're always glad to deliver other than that: sorry sjow (in case you read this) that things didnt go for you as desired. lagging casters of course is unexcusable but again i didn't really know what happened. i just want to apologize for any inconvenience. i wasn't really involved but my account was :D so... just saying sorry. + Show Spoiler + and MASSIVE congrats to liquid and dario. the intense ladder sessions and the korea experience finally paid off for you dear sir, one of the best players in the world (right now, in my opinion). still entertaining to watch your games, just like in the beta. please never change since you and your play are one of a kind. /fanboy Nothing to apologize for. The casting was perfect. Good job and congrats to the caster. Your account was well used. | ||
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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:54 dmans wrote: Come on, TLO also blamed caster because of lag in the chat. Sjow was the first one to say it in chat only. No TLO asked the caster to leave in the middle of the game, which is the player's right. Sjow threatened the casters to leave in the game lobby before the start of the second game. He had no right. It's the admin's call. | ||
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dmans
Sweden358 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:58 eGo.SiGns wrote: You cant really compare TLO asking a lagging caster to leave the current game and Sjow threatening said caster to never let him cast his games again, if he should not leave the lobby. Greetz sjow: drool sjow: please leave is that threatening? and caster has lagged with skype off before to? is that unacceptable than when Sjow must win every game? | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:05 dmans wrote: sjow: drool sjow: please leave is that threatening? and caster has lagged with skype off before to? is that unacceptable than when Sjow must win every game? You must of missed what Sjow said in the game lobby before the start of the second game. He threatened the caster. He basically said that if the caster doesn't leave, he will never allow him to cast sjow's game in any capacity. Sjow lacked grace and tact. Plus, it wasn't his call. It was the admins. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:59 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: yea but i can understand sjow in some way. he wants a lag free game, the caster was the obstacle and his best weapon to get rid of that is to threaten not letting him cast again. he knows that works, from experience and other players. sometimes not. like in starcraft quick decisions, quick results. someone did that on the esl stream with takesen, he messed with the wrong guys there and got punished, esl is a strong, strikt run, rich organisation. but with such weak admins, bad organisation and backup power punishments, it was worth the try for him to get rid of a problem. worked very effective. even viewers nerdrage forced a ragequit.tv to ragequit.tv. isnt that a sentence? So you are saying that anything that works is proper and therefore excusable? To me, he can do whatever he wants to achieve whatever goals he has. I understand that. But at the same time I still have the right to feel that he behaved (not for the first time) with a huge lack of tact and in an immensely childish manner. | ||
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Broodlings
United States157 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:09 Hatsu wrote: So you are saying that anything that works is proper and therefore excusable? To me, he can do whatever he wants to achieve whatever goals he has. I understand that. But at the same time I still have the right to feel that he behaved (not for the first time) with a huge lack of tact and in an immensely childish manner. I think we should all keep in mind Sjow's English might not be perfect so it might of been interpreted as rudder than it was. Unrelated, are the VOD's up? | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Thats what I dont like about the sc2 community, its often just a huge bitchfest. | ||
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Liquid`TLO
Germany767 Posts
Also mega thanks for all your support!! | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:13 TT1 wrote: for those of us who didnt follow the tour, what did sjow say and under what circumstance? In the first game of the finals between Sjow and TLO, the casters were lagging. They were asked to leave. They left immediately. The caster resolved the lag issue by closing skype. When the caster entered the game lobby for the second game, Sjow immediately threatened the caster. He said if the caster didn't leave, he would be permanently banned from casting any future games of Sjow. So, the caster left when he was the official caster and streamer of the game. So, 5k+ people couldn't see the match between TLO and Sjow. Later, Sjow took the caster off from his friend's list. | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:13 TT1 wrote: for those of us who didnt follow the tour, what did sjow say and under what circumstance? People are blowing it a bit out of proportion but he basically just told the casters to leave because they lagged during the game. That, in itself, isn't a big deal but people are pissed he didn't give the casters a chance to get it working. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:12 Broodlings wrote: I think we should all keep in mind Sjow's English might not be perfect so it might of been interpreted as rudder than it was. Unrelated, are the VOD's up? He conveyed the message pretty well in my opinion. TT1: just read the thread, there are lots of posts explaining what happened and how, as well as many diverging opinions - some agreeing with my point of view and some justifying Sjow. The best thing you can do is to read and form your own opinion. Edit: also TLO, congratulations on the victory. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:13 TT1 wrote: for those of us who didnt follow the tour, what did sjow say and under what circumstance? - The casters lagged during the first game of the finals, and had to leave (and left) because an improvised co-caster (TotalBiscuit) kept getting dropped from the game causing the game to stop for 10-20 seconds on two occasions. - The co-caster idea was dropped for the next game and the official caster tried to explain that in stream, and SjoW said something like: "leave or you'll never get to cast my games again", after spamming "leave / please leave" for a while. - At this point the caster decides to leave in order to not cause a scene and nobody gets to watch the remaining games. - There was a tournament admin present and in contact with the caster all along, it was the official tournament caster, yet he didn't get involved at all. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:17 Liquid`TLO wrote: guys calm down, it is not like he did anything bad and a player is under a lot of stres and pressure in a situation like that. I will get the reps send to me and I am sure someone will be willing to recast it anyways. stop blaming sjow for anything he acted completly rightfully. Also mega thanks for all your support!! Congrats on your first tournament victory of 2011! I'm sure this is only the beginning . | ||
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Fluger
Sweden32 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:19 Talin wrote: - There was a tournament admin present and in contact with the caster all along, it was the official tournament caster, yet he didn't get involved at all. Actually wasn't the tournament admin (smile, or whatever his name was) afk when the incident happened? | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:24 Klogon wrote: What a nightmare this turned out to be at the end. Why can't things just run smoothly. geez. Well at least TLO won and haypro came in 4th | ||
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dmans
Sweden358 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:07 ptbl wrote: You must of missed what Sjow said in the game lobby before the start of the second game. He threatened the caster. He basically said that if the caster doesn't leave, he will never allow him to cast sjow's game in any capacity. Sjow lacked grace and tact. Plus, it wasn't his call. It was the admins. yeah, that is lacked of grace i had to admit but caster was about to leave already. and the caster like everybody else wanted i think a no lagging game. Is in fact money on the line and the players want to claim the top spot, 250 pounds diffrens between first and second place is alot of money. | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:29 TT1 wrote: yea like liquidtlo said he came off a loss so he was probably super frustrated(everyone reacts differently), he could have handled the situation differently but i dont see a problem with what he did but thats because as a player i can understand what hes going throught in that moment, im sure the viewers are going to perceive him in a different way but you also need to put yourself in his shoes He should also be calm and put himself in the shoes of 5000 viewers, many of them past midnight also, whose momentum he ruined. I just hope he will post an apology, or else he will gain lots of people upset with him. What he did was very far away from profesional, and when you are playing for those ammounts of money of 1 day event and with such a lineup, some profesional behaviour is expected, or at least being friendly. | ||
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
Ofc its players right to demand a lagger to leave and most likely the lagger (also caster) will stay out of the game when someone askes for it. You think the caster wants to lag and ruin the game. In the stream the caster was all the time worrying if he lagged and was ready to leave all the time. And the sponsors are offering great prizes and possibilities to the players and player/s just being bitches. Jesus crist. Also if the events wont collect viewers, why would any sponsor want to arrange anything? So players should always to some extent remember to whom they are playing for. Dont think gsl would have any prize pool if there were 0 viewers -> 0 sponsors. Props for TLO for being a gentleman he is and asking politely and even backing up sjow in here (wich is almost too good mannered). For sjow: take some responsibility and stop being a whiny .. . Frustration or being tired isnt a reason to act up. One can go to bed and cry it out, if one cant handle the situation. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
He seems to genuinely misunderstand why he's even able to play Starcraft for money, and why people put money into e-sports in the first place. What Sjow effectively did was tell 5k people to **** off. He made a mistake in understandable circumstances, but he still made a mistake, and let it stay at that. There's no need to try to somehow make it not-a-mistake. | ||
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ranjutan
United States636 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:44 Talin wrote: What Sjow effectively did was tell 5k people to **** off. Are you serious? Get a sense of perspective please. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:54 ranjutan wrote: Are you serious? Get a sense of perspective please. I don't agree with the guy, but would you mind clarifying this 'perspective' you're asking him to get a sense of? Seems to me he is looking at the bigger picture here. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Congratulations for a tournament well played! Also congrats to sjow, Select and Haypro for making some money. :D To the apparent bm issue: sjow might have been rude to the casters, maybe even out of line. But as TLO said, players are under a lot of pressure and nobody wants to deal with technical issues taking the focus away from mentally preparing on the actual game. As long as humans are involved, we will always have to deal with some impulsive and unprofessional behaviour. | ||
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VabuDeltaKaiser
Germany1107 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:09 Hatsu wrote: So you are saying that anything that works is proper and therefore excusable? To me, he can do whatever he wants to achieve whatever goals he has. I understand that. But at the same time I still have the right to feel that he behaved (not for the first time) with a huge lack of tact and in an immensely childish manner. we are on par. exactly. i understand him, but the way it acted out was wrong. we never leave the learning process. | ||
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Spacemanspiff
United States116 Posts
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dignitasNewmaN
Sweden137 Posts
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Arimaki
22 Posts
I didn't watch the later part of the tournament, but wasn't the caster in fact from the US? I mean it's not uncommon to lag on EU servers even by normal standards if that's the case. Also, isn't it the admins responsibility to make sure the tournament is being casted, and not something the players have to worry about, or even complain about. They must've had an admin obsing that game so it's really their fault for not taking action. I'm not relieving sjow of all his BM but it's certainly not HIS fault that 5k people couldn't get to watch the rest of the tournament. | ||
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Gomas
Poland311 Posts
I have to say, that the lags were terrible. I lost a game to Sarens, which knocked me out mainly because of a huge lag. It was all kinds of things. PCs being too slow for big fights, huge latency, probably because the LAN set up sucked, constant 2-3 second game freezes, also probably related to the network. It was the worst when u had the official caster in. If you are playing for money, its really really frustrating, especially if its happening all the effing time, for the 8 hours you are sitting at the computer. I'm not really sure what happened with the streams, but just to let u know, as someone who took part in the event, the lags were terrible, and all the casters/organizers knew about it, and not much was done to fix it. Not to mention the annoying casters who didn't want to leave. | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
I'd be pissed too if my previous game had frozen 2-3 times because of the casters alone and they still rejoined. | ||
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:19 oursblanc wrote: SjoW made one spur of the moment comment and all this complaining? Weird. I'd be pissed too if my previous game had frozen 2-3 times because of the casters alone and they still rejoined. Thanks for your real wise post to this thread. People are obviously only indirectly pissed at his comment, moreso because it was the reason they could not watch the finals, that they were waiting for, live. Think before posting... | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:25 Donttazemebro wrote: Thanks for your real wise post to this thread. People are obviously only indirectly pissed at his comment, moreso because it was the reason they could not watch the finals, that they were waiting for, live. Think before posting... Then they should be disappointed at the connection problems, not at a player. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:05 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: we are on par. exactly. i understand him, but the way it acted out was wrong. we never leave the learning process. Yes indeed. I think Sjow will actually learn from this (and all the other episodes involving him), he does not strike me as a stupid individual. It's just that it should get to a point where this is run professionally and played professionally. A player should never dare to behave like that, and if he does he should get punished. At the same time, however, players should have someone to go complain to if they feel there is a problem. Anyone who has ever played, for example, tennis on a competitive level will know what I am talking about. The SC2 pro scene has a long way to go when it comes to that (at least outside Korea, I guess), and in the end of the day it comes down to both players and organisers to get into the right mindset. | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
Lag is even annoying if you arent playing for money. BUT the whole reason why you guys have the opportunity to earn money while playing is because there are people out there, that are willing to tune in to those events. So,i guess we should just leave it at that: What Sjow did may have been understandable but it was just bm, since he ignored those 6.5k viewers (that was the peak, obviously it dropped quite fast). He can probably life with it and wont care, and most players may have the same opinion, but many fans and viewers are not ok with that kind of behavior. Therefore you dont really have to wonder why guys like TLO get 10 times the love sjow does. But heck, since it wont really affect his money he's probably fine with it anyway. greetz & gn8 | ||
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:33 oursblanc wrote: Then they should be disappointed at the connection problems, not at a player. Omg, read the thread. The problem from the first game was pinpointed and the caster did not get a chance to explain. | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:42 Donttazemebro wrote: Omg, read the thread. The problem from the first game was pinpointed and the caster did not get a chance to explain. Calm down. I watched it live. I know exactly what happened. SjoW had no proof that anything was fixed and neither did the caster or the audience, it was all just assumption. Why would he risk another game full of lag spikes?. | ||
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Pawnawa
Sweden60 Posts
I'm pretty sure the sponsors that put money in expects a offical caster located where the tournament is being held. | ||
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:49 oursblanc wrote: Calm down. I watched it live. I know exactly what happened. SjoW had no proof that anything was fixed and neither did the caster or the audience, it was all just assumption. Why would he risk another game full of lag spikes?. Well, it was the only thing that changed from all the lagfree games before, if lag recurred, the casters would have left at the first lag in the new game for sure. I think what can be said, has been said. Anyone can make their own picture with the information available. No need to explain it to everyone who still doesn't get it. | ||
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YoonHo
Canada1043 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
While we're at the topic of organizational issues, professional players in BW were getting disqualified after so much as typing one character in chat more or less than they were supposed to. It's not that I approved of such draconian measures (was never a big fan of Kespa), but it should give some perspective of where the players should be in the general hierarchy of things. Hint: secondary to audience and sponsors. If the entire tournament went under enormous lag, it was horrible, but in no world is it a valid reason to deny viewers the grand finals, and especially not a player's place to call for it. If the entire bracket could be played under a severe lag due to organizational issues, then so should the finals have been. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:56 YoonHo wrote: Sorry, I didn't watch this tourney, but I'm interested in this "drama". I skimmed through a bit and. from my understanding, casters lagged and sjow complained? Can someone explain it to me very briefly :O. just read the last 3 pages u bum | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
Really classless and selfish, in my opinion. | ||
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qck
United Kingdom201 Posts
On January 09 2011 09:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: It's probably not in my best interests to get involved in this, but lots of people are getting blamed who really shouldn't be by the sounds of it and it's a whole bunch of drama. This is my understanding from the information I've gathered. Please take it with a grain of salt. The tournament should have had an official, on-site caster. He never showed up. Ragequit stepped in to provide a stream. Had they not done so, the entire tournament would have been a disaster for the sponsors, which means pulling money OUT of the eSports scene in the UK. Not good. sheekthief cast for 6 hours solo, which puts him in the 'like a boss' category in my book. Sjow was upset about lag. This is understandable, his reaction after a long day of intense playing, also understandable. Not really his call to make to remove the caster, that would be an admin decision and up to the organisers, but you can't blame him for making that known.The fact that this stuff was evening happening at midnight? Ridiculous. Way too late for this kind of thing. Organisational failure, should have been split over 2 days if time was going to be an issue. Lack of reliable on-site caster? Inexcusable failure. I dunno who this guy was, but I know for a fact it was neither myself nor Apollo. This might sound arrogant as shit, but... name one other UK Starcraft 2 caster... because I can't. Who on earth did they ask who then didn't bother to show up? This concerns me because it's another setback for eSports in the UK and may damage the potential for big money sponsorship in this country for future events. Again please, grain of salt, I'm coming into this late with limited knowledge. Why attempt to put in your opinion then? Whether or not you're concerned with e-sports; if you're already aware that you are adding nothing to an already heated discussion - other than your big brain - then why would you bother posting? | ||
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ffz
United States490 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:51 Pawnawa wrote: Where is the respect for the players? You can't play a grand final with lag, even if it's just the slightest. This is clearly a major failure by the tournament admins because the lack of a offical caster at the lancenter, or even in the EU, and they are to be blamed, not SjoW nor TLO? I'm pretty sure the sponsors that put money in expects a offical caster located where the tournament is being held. Last night they said that a bad snow storm prevented their offical caster from getting to the lan center. Blame mother nature. FUck you NATURE!!! | ||
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Domination
United States1177 Posts
On January 09 2011 12:24 qck wrote: Why attempt to put in your opinion then? Whether or not you're concerned with e-sports; if you're already aware that you are adding nothing to an already heated discussion - other than your big brain - then why would you bother posting? Why do any of us post anything qck? The vast majority of forum posts, including my own, are nothing but hot air anyways. His limited knowledge is way way more than what most people in this thread are posting with so I dare say his post actually holds a little bit more...gravitas than all other posts in this thread except for haypro's and tlo's posts because they are actually there. Besides, most of what he said isn't opinion. I find this part The fact that this stuff was evening happening at midnight? Ridiculous. Way too late for this kind of thing. Organisational failure, should have been split over 2 days if time was going to be an issue. Lack of reliable on-site caster? Inexcusable failure. I dunno who this guy was, but I know for a fact it was neither myself nor Apollo. This might sound arrogant as shit, but... name one other UK Starcraft 2 caster... because I can't. Who on earth did they ask who then didn't bother to show up? pretty unarguable.This concerns me because it's another setback for eSports in the UK and may damage the potential for big money sponsorship in this country for future events. | ||
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Bunku
Finland20 Posts
It's sad that the us caster lagged, but its not like its always like that. Internetz is quite capable nowadays. . . Sometimes shit hits the fan and people should deal with it in good manner, thats the point in this. Not to freak out like a child. Too bad there was no one to bitchslap the one involved. Problems emerge within players, within casters, in organizations, its not a disaster. Life isnt always going like you are planning it to go. Deal with it. | ||
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qck
United Kingdom201 Posts
On January 09 2011 12:38 Domination wrote: Why do any of us post anything qck? The vast majority of forum posts, including my own, are nothing but hot air anyways. His limited knowledge is way way more than what most people in this thread are posting with so I dare say his post actually holds a little bit more...gravitas than all other posts in this thread except for haypro's and tlo's posts because they are actually there. Besides, most of what he said isn't opinion. I find this part pretty unarguable. They're assumptions on a tournament he has had no role in. "This might sound arrogant as shit, but...", does sound 'arrogant as shit'. He's typed airless accusations with no real point other than an advertisement for his own - here comes my opinion - lacklustre shoutcasting. Though maybe I'm - heavily - biased, because I've read his diatribes on countless other subjects and all of them are heavily inclined towards his own persona without actually discussing the issue at hand. Again, I think anyone, including me, is incredibly stupid for even approaching the subject; as I'm sure the people who ran the tournament are very much aware of their shortfalls and I don't think 5 pages of non-constructive criticism will help them out in future events. | ||
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Tsenister
United Kingdom112 Posts
Even so it was a pleasure to watch TLO'S for a day from 6 feet away even if they were all TvTs.. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
A player has to accept certain conditions when he is playing tournaments because it can't all be perfect. A good example would be when a player signs up for a tournament that is not played on his server he accepts to play in delay. This means he has no right to complain about delay because he agreed to it by playing. However the lag of a caster does not fall into this group. If a terrible playing condition can be solved by the caster leaving then this is the right thing to do. This should have been done by the caster, and the tournament admins. Not doing so was a huge blunder, much moreso than what Sjow did. If Sjow used his star-power to make a caster leave (I will not let you in my games again) then this is definitely wrong, but considering the past 12 hours of the tournament being such a mess a high level of frustration is understandable, and maybe even justified. The computers at the tournament were lagging, the connection was lagging, outside casters had to be brought in because the organization couldn't take care of it themselves. Players put up with all of this so far without public complaints. When in the final of a big money tournament on top of all these things the caster also starts to lag and doesn't leave then that is just too much for a player to handle after he has been dealing with the frustration of organizational incompetence all day long. I would not be happy if anyone in Liquid handled this the way Sjow did at all and I would definitely yell at them for behaving like this. I believe that when a player signs up for a tournament he puts his faith into the tournament organizers hands and that he should follow the rules he signed up for. Most tournaments have a rule about them deciding whether casters can be in the game, when you sign up for a tournament like this you shouldn't complain about it when it is causing issues. I do want to add that this is a good rule; never should a good tournament organizer put this sort of power in the hands of players. If you dislike such a rule you should not have played the tournament then. Sign up for a tournament, play by their rules. If you didn't like the tournament don't sign up next time. Clearly the organization made huge mistakes and if that is a reason for players not to come back then that is understandable. I would even go as far as to say very few teams are going to spend their travel budget on this tournament next time. I know Liquid can't afford to send players to tournaments that can't get a proper stream running. Bottom line is the tournament organizers as well as the caster fucked up by staying in the game, and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu. Tournaments need to make the decision that casters are not allowed in the game if they lag. Playing conditions should be high priority. These are the individual lifes of young players you are influencing by letting them play in horrible conditions and this is something that should be taken with more responsibility. The argument that viewers are the reason that there is prize money in this tournament is obviously completely ridiculous; as the tournament organizers couldn't even get a proper stream running themselves. Conclusion: Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed. I do want to add once more that spectator sport should not warrant lagging casters whatsoever. Anyone who believes it does is simply wrong. Tournaments can be cast from replays it's not a huge disaster to just let the players play and switch from live to replay cast. It is not a players position to make this call however. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On January 09 2011 15:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I'll try to add my perspective as well. I think I have more experience as a player and organizer than most which allows for a little more objectivity. I do want to note that I have not seen the manner in which Sjow made his requests so I will try to talk about the essence of the situation and not the way it was delivered. If Sjow sounded like an asshole to you then he sounded like an asshole, but that doesn't mean you need to judge the actual action. It is possible to say he had a good reason to do so and that you find him an asshole at the same time. These things are not mutually exclusive and you should never confuse the two. A player has to accept certain conditions when he is playing tournaments because it can't all be perfect. A good example would be when a player signs up for a tournament that is not played on his server he accepts to play in delay. This means he has no right to complain about delay because he agreed to it by playing. However the lag of a caster does not fall into this group. If a terrible playing condition can be solved by the caster leaving then this is the right thing to do. This should have been done by the caster, and the tournament admins. Not doing so was a huge blunder, much moreso than what Sjow did. If Sjow used his star-power to make a caster leave (I will not let you in my games again) then this is definitely wrong, but considering the past 12 hours of the tournament being such a mess a high level of frustration is understandable, and maybe even justified. The computers at the tournament were lagging, the connection was lagging, outside casters had to be brought in because the organization couldn't take care of it themselves. Players put up with all of this so far without public complaints. When in the final of a big money tournament on top of all these things the caster also starts to lag and doesn't leave then that is just too much for a player to handle after he has been dealing with the frustration of organizational incompetence all day long. I would not be happy if anyone in Liquid handled this the way Sjow did at all and I would definitely yell at them for behaving like this. I believe that when a player signs up for a tournament he puts his faith into the tournament organizers hands and that he should follow the rules he signed up for. Most tournaments have a rule about them deciding whether casters can be in the game, when you sign up for a tournament like this you shouldn't complain about it when it is causing issues. I do want to add that this is a good rule; never should a good tournament organizer put this sort of power in the hands of players. If you dislike such a rule you should not have played the tournament then. Sign up for a tournament, play by their rules. If you didn't like the tournament don't sign up next time. Clearly the organization made huge mistakes and if that is a reason for players not to come back then that is understandable. I would even go as far as to say very few teams are going to spend their travel budget on this tournament next time. I know Liquid can't afford to send players to tournaments that can't get a proper stream running. Bottom line is the tournament organizers as well as the caster fucked up by staying in the game, and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu. Tournaments need to make the decision that casters are not allowed in the game if they lag. Playing conditions should be high priority. These are the individual lifes of young players you are influencing by letting them play in horrible conditions and this is something that should be taken with more responsibility. The argument that viewers are the reason that there is prize money in this tournament is obviously completely ridiculous; as the tournament organizers couldn't even get a proper stream running themselves. Conclusion: Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed. I do want to add once more that spectator sport should not warrant lagging casters whatsoever. Anyone who believes it does is simply wrong. Tournaments can be cast from replays it's not a huge disaster to just let the players play and switch from live to replay cast. It is not a players position to make this call however. this needs more publicity, make it a featured news/blog/announcment/declaration/mainfesto | ||
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Lynskey
United Kingdom26 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 09 2011 13:22 qck wrote: They're assumptions on a tournament he has had no role in. "This might sound arrogant as shit, but...", does sound 'arrogant as shit'. He's typed airless accusations with no real point other than an advertisement for his own - here comes my opinion - lacklustre shoutcasting. Though maybe I'm - heavily - biased, because I've read his diatribes on countless other subjects and all of them are heavily inclined towards his own persona without actually discussing the issue at hand. Again, I think anyone, including me, is incredibly stupid for even approaching the subject; as I'm sure the people who ran the tournament are very much aware of their shortfalls and I don't think 5 pages of non-constructive criticism will help them out in future events. Can you prove that even one thing I said was not true? I have to ask because right now the one who seems to be 'full of hot air' is you. How was my criticism not constructive exactly? Which of my points were incorrect? I ask because yes, it would appear you are heavily biased and don't seem to have anything to add other than insults. You have absolutely no idea who my sources are or where that information came from, but I can safely say now, having read your post, that I definitely know more about it than you do. You've not added a shred of value to this discussion and if you want to make yourself feel better by airing your dirty laundry in public, then you don't get to sit on a moral high-horse and claim that I'm not discussing the issue at hand. But hey, what would I know, I'm just a lacklustre shoutcaster, my opinion isn't worth shit right? | ||
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FreeUrMind
639 Posts
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razkuth
Germany11 Posts
On January 09 2011 15:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I'll try to add my perspective as well. I think I have more experience as a player and organizer than most which allows for a little more objectivity. I do want to note that I have not seen the manner in which Sjow made his requests so I will only talk about the essence of the situation and not the way it was delivered. If Sjow sounded like an asshole to you then he sounded like an asshole, but that doesn't mean you need to judge the actual action. It is possible to say he had a good reason to do so and that you find him an asshole at the same time. These things are not mutually exclusive and you should never confuse the two. A player has to accept certain conditions when he is playing tournaments because it can't all be perfect. A good example would be when a player signs up for a tournament that is not played on his server he accepts to play in delay. This means he has no right to complain about delay because he agreed to it by playing. However the lag of a caster does not fall into this group. If a terrible playing condition can be solved by the caster leaving then this is the right thing to do. This should have been done by the caster, and the tournament admins. Not doing so was a huge blunder, much moreso than what Sjow did. If Sjow used his star-power to make a caster leave (I will not let you in my games again) then this is definitely wrong, but considering the past 12 hours of the tournament being such a mess a high level of frustration is understandable, and maybe even justified. The computers at the tournament were lagging, the connection was lagging, outside casters had to be brought in because the organization couldn't take care of it themselves. Players put up with all of this so far without public complaints. When in the final of a big money tournament on top of all these things the caster also starts to lag and doesn't leave then that is just too much for a player to handle after he has been dealing with the frustration of organizational incompetence all day long. I would not be happy if anyone in Liquid handled this the way Sjow did at all and I would definitely yell at them for behaving like this. I believe that when a player signs up for a tournament he puts his faith into the tournament organizers hands and that he should follow the rules he signed up for. Most tournaments have a rule about them deciding whether casters can be in the game, when you sign up for a tournament like this you shouldn't complain about it when it is causing issues. I do want to add that this is a good rule; never should a good tournament organizer put this sort of power in the hands of players. If you dislike such a rule you should not have played the tournament then. Sign up for a tournament, play by their rules. If you didn't like the tournament don't sign up next time. Clearly the organization made huge mistakes and if that is a reason for players not to come back then that is understandable. I would even go as far as to say very few teams are going to spend their travel budget on this tournament next time. I know Liquid can't afford to send players to tournaments that can't get a proper stream running. Bottom line is the tournament organizers as well as the caster fucked up by staying in the game, and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu. Tournaments need to make the decision that casters are not allowed in the game if they lag. Playing conditions should be high priority. These are the individual lifes of young players you are influencing by letting them play in horrible conditions and this is something that should be taken with more responsibility. The argument that viewers are the reason that there is prize money in this tournament is obviously completely ridiculous; as the tournament organizers couldn't even get a proper stream running themselves. Conclusion: Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed. I do want to add once more that spectator sport should not warrant lagging casters whatsoever. Anyone who believes it does is simply wrong. Tournaments can be cast from replays it's not a huge disaster to just let the players play and switch from live to replay cast. It is not a players position to make this call however. I am not really into many tournaments. And i don't know nothing about which rules there are in a starcraft II tournament. but i do wanna put some emphasis on the perspective of other sports. think of a soccer worldchampionship. which is by far one of the biggest sport tournaments in the world. and by biggest i mean there is just the whole fuckin world watchin'! BUT do you really think, that the players stop playin, if there is a broadcasting error? serious? they just give a shit. they do not even want to know ingame if there is something wrong!!! we wanna watch a competitive sport. there has to be the best ingame conditions possible. kind regards -caspa | ||
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bay_2002
Germany105 Posts
So are there any VOD´s or Replay from the Winner Bracktes Final and the Overall Final, because i would love to see this games! Thank you for any Information and congratulations to TLO and Team Liquid! | ||
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Fregate
Italy50 Posts
On January 09 2011 18:39 razkuth wrote: I am not really into many tournaments. And i don't know nothing about which rules there are in a starcraft II tournament. but i do wanna put some emphasis on the perspective of other sports. think of a soccer worldchampionship. which is by far one of the biggest sport tournaments in the world. and by biggest i mean there is just the whole fuckin world watchin'! BUT do you really think, that the players stop playin, if there is a broadcasting error? serious? they just give a shit. they do not even want to know ingame if there is something wrong!!! we wanna watch a competitive sport. there has to be the best ingame conditions possible. kind regards -caspa This is not true AT ALL! In Soccer, television and sponsor are the Absolute Power. They play World Championship Final at a certain time (that can be odd for the time zone in which the players are) just to let more people all over the world watch. In national championships you always see evening games even in winter (with reaaaally low temperatures, not funny for the players) just because more people will watch them. In Italy they are starting to play matches almost at every hour to let people watch them all. In England thay play even the 26th of December (NBA plays 25th Dec. as well). The essence of competitive sport is audience, and the money sponsor will pay if audience is big and satisfied. Competitive sponsor wouldn't even exist otherwise. I have to change your last sentence: We wanna watch a competitive sport. there has to be the best Audience conditions possible. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
And I don't mind wat Sjow did. He was just playing for keeps and that makes him a pro imo. Pro-Players always should keep results as the first priority and public opinion second. I don't like Sjow's one-dimensional Terran usually, but this has made me respect him as a pro, certainly. | ||
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Blondinbengt
Sweden578 Posts
On January 09 2011 18:39 razkuth wrote: I am not really into many tournaments. And i don't know nothing about which rules there are in a starcraft II tournament. but i do wanna put some emphasis on the perspective of other sports. think of a soccer worldchampionship. which is by far one of the biggest sport tournaments in the world. and by biggest i mean there is just the whole fuckin world watchin'! BUT do you really think, that the players stop playin, if there is a broadcasting error? serious? they just give a shit. they do not even want to know ingame if there is something wrong!!! we wanna watch a competitive sport. there has to be the best ingame conditions possible. kind regards -caspa That analogy doesn't make sense at all. Of course football players don't care about broadcasting errors in a game, they're not effected by it at all. The casters/caster at this tournament were lagging, which severely effects the players in the tournament. If the camera teams covering the football matches would run onto the field and bump into the players and get in their way, you can bet your ass they would complain. | ||
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fabulously
Norway724 Posts
Despite all the drama, once again thanks to the guy casting on drools account the whole day. Highly appreciated. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 18:59 Fregate wrote: This is not true AT ALL! In Soccer, television and sponsor are the Absolute Power. They play World Championship Final at a certain time (that can be odd for the time zone in which the players are) just to let more people all over the world watch. In national championships you always see evening games even in winter (with reaaaally low temperatures, not funny for the players) just because more people will watch them. In Italy they are starting to play matches almost at every hour to let people watch them all. In England thay play even the 26th of December (NBA plays 25th Dec. as well). The essence of competitive sport is audience, and the money sponsor will pay if audience is big and satisfied. Competitive sponsor wouldn't even exist otherwise. I have to change your last sentence: We wanna watch a competitive sport. there has to be the best Audience conditions possible. Not that I think the guy you responded to is right, but in football as well as tennis matches are often canceled due to too much rain or too much snow. Players definitely need proper conditions to play in any sport. None of these sports let their players play in unacceptable conditions due to broadcasting schedules. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
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Fregate
Italy50 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Not that I think the guy you responded to is right, but in football as well as tennis matches are often canceled due to too much rain or too much snow. Players definitely need proper conditions to play in any sport. None of these sports let their players play in unacceptable conditions due to broadcasting schedules. This is true, of course there's a limit. Even the audience doesn't want to watch a match where players can't do their best due to weather conditions. In Sc2 is the same, i understand that Sjow didn't want to play with such a lag,, but even I didn't want to watch a match where key micro actions where destroyed by lag. My point was: if we want e-sport to become important, we have to care about audience. A final of a tournament with no audience is not possible in any competitive sport. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On January 09 2011 15:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Clearly the organization made huge mistakes and if that is a reason for players not to come back then that is understandable. I would even go as far as to say very few teams are going to spend their travel budget on this tournament next time. I know Liquid can't afford to send players to tournaments that can't get a proper stream running. Bottom line is the tournament organizers as well as the caster fucked up by staying in the game, and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu. Tournaments need to make the decision that casters are not allowed in the game if they lag. Playing conditions should be high priority. These are the individual lifes of young players you are influencing by letting them play in horrible conditions and this is something that should be taken with more responsibility. The argument that viewers are the reason that there is prize money in this tournament is obviously completely ridiculous; as the tournament organizers couldn't even get a proper stream running themselves. Conclusion: Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed. I do want to add once more that spectator sport should not warrant lagging casters whatsoever. Anyone who believes it does is simply wrong. Tournaments can be cast from replays it's not a huge disaster to just let the players play and switch from live to replay cast. It is not a players position to make this call however. Agreed with most of the post, it's self-contradictory at times - but who isn't- or I just misunderstood it all (one paragraph you say you " have not seen the manner in which Sjow etc", the next " if anyone in Liquid handled this the way Sjow did at all and I would definitely yell at them for behaving like this" and you conclude with " Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed." ) but if one tries to rationalize the whole mess objectively, it's probably the only way to go as there's so many things that went wrong one doesn't know who to start blaming. I, for one, blame the invisible admin (and the cloaked organizers), the player "threatening" the caster (and de-friending him from the game so no communication was possible at all after game 2 - we just stared at a fixed screen hoping for game 3....) and I wanna put a tiny tiny blame on the caster for not rebooting his whole setup just for the sake of it and trying to join again (though Sjow probably might not have accepted) but something tells me I shouldn't blame the caster at all, it's like shouting at a guy who finishes a marathon because he don't run fast enough. Aaaah self contradiction. What I don't agree with (not that you have to care for it, just my 2 cents) is the " and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu". To me it ain't only a spectator sport (yes, players need to be taken care of and play in the best conditions etc), but passed the fact that being a spectator and chatting with other spectators (casters and sometimes players) is a huge part of the fun watching those tournaments for my little person, the fact that if there's a whole 5000+ people waiting a whole saturday evening to watch a couple of games and just get given the finger by one diva player for some lag issues (I might be wrong but I only saw the caster lag once or twice before sjow jumped on him, all the previous problems were caused by other spectators) needs a little bit more consideration than a well-placed "stfu" - especially from the admin of a community website. If you ain't gonna "blame" anyone, then no one's responsible for the situation, then it'll happen again but it's ok, who cares, specs just need to "stfu" and eat what they're fed. Maybe that's not what you meant, and it was more of an analysis of the position of the spectator in the e-sport business, maybe those tourneys don't even need live specs at all and so on (I guess they'll need specs at some point if they want some money), but to me that's another discussion, I, as a spec, value my time as much as the next guy, if I get served warm beer, I quickly change bar. PS : as for the too much rain/too much snow thing : i think (at least that's what seems logical) it's the referee who decides how much is too much, not the players, and he does it both for the players AND the audience, not because the players look tired or might get their fancy little shorts wet but because he wants everyone to get a decent show. | ||
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razkuth
Germany11 Posts
On January 09 2011 18:59 Fregate wrote: This is not true AT ALL! In Soccer, television and sponsor are the Absolute Power. They play World Championship Final at a certain time (that can be odd for the time zone in which the players are) just to let more people all over the world watch. In national championships you always see evening games even in winter (with reaaaally low temperatures, not funny for the players) just because more people will watch them. In Italy they are starting to play matches almost at every hour to let people watch them all. In England thay play even the 26th of December (NBA plays 25th Dec. as well). The essence of competitive sport is audience, and the money sponsor will pay if audience is big and satisfied. Competitive sponsor wouldn't even exist otherwise. I have to change your last sentence: We wanna watch a competitive sport. there has to be the best Audience conditions possible. Maybe my english is way to bad. But that wasn't my point at all. Of course i think, that times when the games are played are really really important. And that the more people watch, the better it is for sc2. But the thing is. If the game has been started, the game is the most important thing. No one but the players should be able to decide the game. Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. They play in winter although it is cold. That is totally fine! Because we want to see them play every day But when a game kicks off, the players should be able to play a game without incidents! Audience conditions has to be set perfect before a game starts. And if the casters interfere a game they should just leave immeadiatly and improve settings for the next set of the bo3 bo5 whatever. | ||
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Wuffey
252 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Not that I think the guy you responded to is right, but in football as well as tennis matches are often canceled due to too much rain or too much snow. Players definitely need proper conditions to play in any sport. None of these sports let their players play in unacceptable conditions due to broadcasting schedules. I think you are wrong there. Football matches get canceled when it's completly impossible to play (=Batllenet offline). But they will not be canceled when it's raining or snowing, making it harder for the players to play but not impossible (=Lag). | ||
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Hotzenplotz
Germany22 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:49 Wuffey wrote: I think you are wrong there. Football matches get canceled when it's completly impossible to play (=Batllenet offline). But they will not be canceled when it's raining or snowing, making it harder for the players to play but not impossible (=Lag). True. And its always the Ref who makes the calls. In Germany there are mostly 2 reasons for that. First is, that the Soccer Players could get injured if the game progresses. This might not really aply for Starcraft and Lag although.... A player might punch somethin because he rages. But this should not really happen in the Pro scene. (On second thought it does! I remember Day9 smashing his Keyboard once) Second reason is that the Game cant be played the way it is supposed to be (cant really translate "ordnungsgemäßer Spielbetrieb"). This really fits for Lag. | ||
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.syL
Germany85 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Not that I think the guy you responded to is right, but in football as well as tennis matches are often canceled due to too much rain or too much snow. Players definitely need proper conditions to play in any sport. None of these sports let their players play in unacceptable conditions due to broadcasting schedules. No one reasonable is arguing that either players or spectators should take absolute precedent over the other. Of course it's a matter of degree, but the type of competition heavily influences on which group a greater emphasis should be placed. You could either say, playing conditions are paramount unless disturbances are so small they should be ignored, OR you could say that spectators should take precedent unless the disturbances are so big that they cannot be ignored. It's approaching the same line, from different sides. In a casual competition, you'd go with the first statement, in a competitive setting (competitive in this sense meaning spectator sport) you should follow the second. That's the way it's handled in real sports, it should be the way esports function as well. Of course football games get canceled because of condition, but in professional games, they play long after a casual players would have called it a day, precisely because of that. That does not necessarily mean that players should have to play with huge lag, although a bit should be tolerated, as long as playing is possible. It does, however, make it absolutely necessary that every possible avenue gets explored that would make it possible for the game to be played with spectators. More precisely, if a caster lagged one game, he should be given the chance to fix his problems, even if that leads to having to remake a game in case he couldn't. If he is unable to cast, a replacement should be sought, within a reasonable timeframe, at least if it's the finals. If both is impossible, the caster should be provided with the replays immediately after the game has ended, to allow the spectators to still participate. Generally, it's the job of the admin to handle a situation like that, but if one is not at hand, the players themselves need to take care of that. I think that's the main reason people are so angry with sjow, it's not that he wanted to play without lag, but that he didn't take the spectators into consideration at all. He should, however, since they are the ones that enable him to play for money in the first place. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
In this case admins should have stepped up and made a decission, but just the fact that players somehow feel entitled to decide(not only on this occasion, been same way with HuK and Morrow in the past) shows that they don't understand the business they're in. And why they're allowed to be in it. | ||
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SayTT
Sweden2158 Posts
On January 09 2011 18:59 Fregate wrote: This is not true AT ALL! In Soccer, television and sponsor are the Absolute Power. They play World Championship Final at a certain time (that can be odd for the time zone in which the players are) just to let more people all over the world watch. In national championships you always see evening games even in winter (with reaaaally low temperatures, not funny for the players) just because more people will watch them. In Italy they are starting to play matches almost at every hour to let people watch them all. In England thay play even the 26th of December (NBA plays 25th Dec. as well). The essence of competitive sport is audience, and the money sponsor will pay if audience is big and satisfied. Competitive sponsor wouldn't even exist otherwise. I have to change your last sentence: We wanna watch a competitive sport. there has to be the best Audience conditions possible. That is all your own conclusions and not based on anything "real", like for instance you claim about playing fotball in england on the 26th. That has nothing to do with the sponsors or television, it has been a standing tradition to play football and go watch football on boxing day in england for over 100 years now. | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:34 Eurekastreet wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2011 15:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Clearly the organization made huge mistakes and if that is a reason for players not to come back then that is understandable. I would even go as far as to say very few teams are going to spend their travel budget on this tournament next time. I know Liquid can't afford to send players to tournaments that can't get a proper stream running. Bottom line is the tournament organizers as well as the caster fucked up by staying in the game, and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu. Tournaments need to make the decision that casters are not allowed in the game if they lag. Playing conditions should be high priority. These are the individual lifes of young players you are influencing by letting them play in horrible conditions and this is something that should be taken with more responsibility. The argument that viewers are the reason that there is prize money in this tournament is obviously completely ridiculous; as the tournament organizers couldn't even get a proper stream running themselves. Conclusion: Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed. I do want to add once more that spectator sport should not warrant lagging casters whatsoever. Anyone who believes it does is simply wrong. Tournaments can be cast from replays it's not a huge disaster to just let the players play and switch from live to replay cast. It is not a players position to make this call however. + Show Spoiler + Agreed with most of the post, it's self-contradictory at times - but who isn't- or I just misunderstood it all (one paragraph you say you " have not seen the manner in which Sjow etc", the next " if anyone in Liquid handled this the way Sjow did at all and I would definitely yell at them for behaving like this" and you conclude with " Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed." ) but if one tries to rationalize the whole mess objectively, it's probably the only way to go as there's so many things that went wrong one doesn't know who to start blaming. I, for one, blame the invisible admin (and the cloaked organizers), the player "threatening" the caster (and de-friending him from the game so no communication was possible at all after game 2 - we just stared at a fixed screen hoping for game 3....) and I wanna put a tiny tiny blame on the caster for not rebooting his whole setup just for the sake of it and trying to join again (though Sjow probably might not have accepted) but something tells me I shouldn't blame the caster at all, it's like shouting at a guy who finishes a marathon because he don't run fast enough. Aaaah self contradiction. What I don't agree with (not that you have to care for it, just my 2 cents) is the " and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu". To me it ain't only a spectator sport (yes, players need to be taken care of and play in the best conditions etc), but passed the fact that being a spectator and chatting with other spectators (casters and sometimes players) is a huge part of the fun watching those tournaments for my little person, the fact that if there's a whole 5000+ people waiting a whole saturday evening to watch a couple of games and just get given the finger by one diva player for some lag issues (I might be wrong but I only saw the caster lag once or twice before sjow jumped on him, all the previous problems were caused by other spectators) needs a little bit more consideration than a well-placed "stfu" - especially from the admin of a community website. If you ain't gonna "blame" anyone, then no one's responsible for the situation, then it'll happen again but it's ok, who cares, specs just need to "stfu" and eat what they're fed. Maybe that's not what you meant, and it was more of an analysis of the position of the spectator in the e-sport business, maybe those tourneys don't even need live specs at all and so on (I guess they'll need specs at some point if they want some money), but to me that's another discussion, I, as a spec, value my time as much as the next guy, if I get served warm beer, I quickly change bar. PS : as for the too much rain/too much snow thing : i think (at least that's what seems logical) it's the referee who decides how much is too much, not the players, and he does it both for the players AND the audience, not because the players look tired or might get their fancy little shorts wet but because he wants everyone to get a decent show. IMO one of the best posts in this thread. For a viewer its really disappointing to always read "plese put yourself in the players perspective" and then see, that the (some) players are not willing to put themselfes in the viewers perspective. Do you think its fun to watch a tourney for 10-12 hours and then not be able to watch the final? WTH thats a damn waste of time, thanks for that... I guess we are at a point where all agree, that what Sjow did was understanable but nontheless was a mistake no pro should ever make. Therefore the consequence for the viewers will probably be: Sjow will become unliked ( for the most viewers at least) The consequence for the players will hopefully be: To not ignore the viewers like that again. The consequence for the organizers will be: Get your damn own stream running and dont restream a random caster. Get a better location, heck just get a better orga alltogether. Another note: All the "supporter of sjow" always seem to mention, that casters were causing lag for the whole tourney. Even though that may be true, the caster in question (sheektief on drools account) did only lage once (max. twice) in that final. Ofc thats enough reason to ask him to leave that game but not ban him from the whole final. He was asked to leave the game once (at least thats what he, as well as 5000+ viewers saw) and left immediatly. Therefore i also dont really unterstand why TLO would post something like "WTF why is drool not leaving". Did he lag several times and the players just didnt write anything, or did the players mistake the casters causing the lag. Or is there a problem with the "lagger" seeing the ingame chat? So he perhaps cant even realize that he is in fact lagging? I also think we should mention that blizzard was wise enough to see these problems. Its obviously not meant that the players make this kind of decisions, otherwise there would be no point in creating a "referee" aside from all the "hosts" , "Teams", and "Spectators" , right? Greetz | ||
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hoovehand
United Kingdom542 Posts
OMG SOMEONE WITH 300 APM SAID SJOW WAS BAD BECAUSE HE DOESNT SPAM CLICK TO GET 200+ APM! btw if a low APM player can beat a high APM player, that's concrete evidence that the high APM player isn't doing the correct actions and therefore invalidates the whole APM argument. | ||
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razkuth
Germany11 Posts
On January 09 2011 20:28 Longshank wrote: Fact of the matter is that progamers need the audience way more than the audience needs progamers. As long as there's an audience there will always be pros, something other sports have realized. Every other athlete knows his place in the hierarchy, if you so are the savior of football, lost child of Pelé and Beckenbauer - you play when and where the sponsors/organizers tells you to, be it in snow, wind, rain and hail - or all four. Only in extreme situations are matches cancelled, and then at the order of the organizers, not the players. And yeah, there is money on the line, more than any of us can imagine. In this case admins should have stepped up and made a decission, but just the fact that players somehow feel entitled to decide(not only on this occasion, been same way with HuK and Morrow in the past) shows that they don't understand the business they're in. And why they're allowed to be in it. True. Audience makes the "professional" possible. Without an audience, there is no money, so there can't be "pros". But imagine this: the caster lags in the moment, when the terran wants to split his marines because fourty banelings roll in. that would be a game deciding factor. its comparable with a referee in soccer who stands on the goal line and prevents a golden goal. Again, the audience should be the biggest factor beforehand. But when a game kicks off, the game has to be incidentless. I think a better referee system, with a referee who says "remake match" or "go on" or "leave caster" or whatever would definitely prevent stuff like that happens in the future. provided the referees word is law.. Or Blizzard switches game spectating to a 5 min delay one. I think there was something like that in a warcraft series. Don't really know. | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
On January 09 2011 20:45 hoovehand wrote: anyone else find it risible at how quickly the community jumps on sjow's back? OMG SOMEONE WITH 300 APM SAID SJOW WAS BAD BECAUSE HE DOESNT SPAM CLICK TO GET 200+ APM! btw if a low APM player can beat a high APM player, that's concrete evidence that the high APM player isn't doing the correct actions and therefore invalidates the whole APM argument. Sorry, but what the hell are you trying to tell us? 0_o Noone cares if Sjow has low APM. And in fact, the reason why he lost to TLO so miserably is exactly because with his "low" (for pros) APM he wasnt able to stop the multiple attacks by TLO, so its pretty much the prime example that APM simply DO matter. At least if the actions are reasonable Regarding the post before: If a referee were to stand on the goal-line (why would he? 0_o) that may be extreme, but its clearly stated in the rules that if a ball hits the referee its the same as hitting a "wall of air". Kind of hard to explain in english, but i guess you know what i mean. So even if he did prevent the goal, thats just the way it is. Obviously he would probably never be a referee again, if he didnt have a good reason for standing on the goal-line Greetz | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 09 2011 20:45 razkuth wrote: True. Audience makes the "professional" possible. Without an audience, there is no money, so there can't be "pros". But imagine this: the caster lags in the moment, when the terran wants to split his marines because fourty banelings roll in. that would be a game deciding factor. its comparable with a referee in soccer who stands on the goal line and prevents a golden goal. If this happens then it's very unfortunate, but as everyone know, a part of the game - no goal. You don't go ahead and play the game without refs because of it. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 09 2011 15:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The argument that viewers are the reason that there is prize money in this tournament is obviously completely ridiculous; as the tournament organizers couldn't even get a proper stream running themselves. Without any desire to drag this on, I'll say I agree with everything else you said, but strongly disagree with this part. In general, viewers are the one single reason that there is prize money, and we all know that, because this is how any professional sport (or other spectator entertainment) works. In this specific case, the organization did fail big time, but it's in players' own best (long term) interest to "save the face" of the sponsors and organizers of the tournament especially if it's a fairly large live event. For all the lag and PC issues they experienced on-site, the tournament wouldn't have been that much of a failure if it went well from a spectators' point of view. If they already endured it for the entire day, Sjow should have made an effort to endure it a little bit more. Or forfeit if he thought the organization was that bad and playing conditions were horrible, there's no shame in that and it's actually within his rights. If the incident in the grand finals didn't happen, people would now be talking about the final game and congratulating TLO, which would be good publicity overall for everyone despite the on-site problems players had. Instead people are talking about organization and Sjow, which is bad publicity for everyone involved. The whole event has a negative backlash now, so I see no reason for Sjow to be absolved from a small dose of community backlash for what he did as well as he directly caused the tournament to be even more of a failure than just an organizational / technical one. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
if casters lag, then next time hire dapollo who can come to the actual event and do awesome casting without lag why do ppl keep hatin on the players when its the tournaments that are failing | ||
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Michiel
Belgium48 Posts
+ The live coverage on the website was not that good since the site could barely handle that many visitors. So maybe do the coverage in cooperation with a bigger website. anyway nice event ! | ||
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razkuth
Germany11 Posts
Maybe my english is to bad or you guys just read every word alone or whatever. i painted a picture with the referee... can't i do that in english xD i don't know. my points: -audience makes professional gaming possible. -the setup beforehand should remind this fact!! organization to have the best possible publication of a tournament. -people should always treat each other with respect -when a game starts, there should be 3 things interacting with the game result: 2 players and 1 referee done | ||
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ste0731
United Kingdom435 Posts
I'm sure smile will upload the replays soon and you can all be happy. | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On January 09 2011 20:56 Longshank wrote: If this happens then it's very unfortunate, but as everyone know, a part of the game - no goal. You don't go ahead and play the game without refs because of it. That would have been true if the referee hadn't been standing on the goal line all day | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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cnas
Sweden640 Posts
On January 09 2011 21:05 MorroW wrote: the only ones fault for anything that goes wrong is the orgas of the event. dont blame sjow for getting angry any player would. if your players get angry in your tournament your probably doing something very wrong -.- if casters lag, then next time hire dapollo who can come to the actual event and do awesome casting without lag why do ppl keep hatin on the players when its the tournaments that are failing I guess this time it was a combination of not knowing that (and how) SjoW lost first game, if they knew there could have been more sympathy for the situation he was in. Also the unnecessary threat towards the caster i think was a problem, the audience isn't used to that kind of behaviour in this community. I agree that SjoW did nothing wrong, and RageQuit was awesome for "saving" the sponsors when their arranged caster didn't show up (again, bad PR for this community). The solution next time would perhaps be to not rush so much, pause in lobby for a minute, sort things out. Understand the player's aswell as the community's needs. This guy casted for many hours without much trouble. All-in-all, it was an awesome event nonetheless, very entertaining to follow. | ||
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noaki
Germany145 Posts
On January 09 2011 21:05 MorroW wrote: the only ones fault for anything that goes wrong is the orgas of the event. dont blame sjow for getting angry any player would. if your players get angry in your tournament your probably doing something very wrong -.- if casters lag, then next time hire dapollo who can come to the actual event and do awesome casting without lag why do ppl keep hatin on the players when its the tournaments that are failing They're hating, because the issue was fixed, but Sjow being a total douche threatening the caster (who was casting on drools account so he didn't want to cause any trouble for him) without giving any chance to explain. Not having one minute time and therefore have 5000 ppl after hours of casting missing the final | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:34 Eurekastreet wrote: Agreed with most of the post, it's self-contradictory at times - but who isn't- or I just misunderstood it all (one paragraph you say you " have not seen the manner in which Sjow etc", the next " if anyone in Liquid handled this the way Sjow did at all and I would definitely yell at them for behaving like this" and you conclude with " Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed." ) but if one tries to rationalize the whole mess objectively, it's probably the only way to go as there's so many things that went wrong one doesn't know who to start blaming. I, for one, blame the invisible admin (and the cloaked organizers), the player "threatening" the caster (and de-friending him from the game so no communication was possible at all after game 2 - we just stared at a fixed screen hoping for game 3....) and I wanna put a tiny tiny blame on the caster for not rebooting his whole setup just for the sake of it and trying to join again (though Sjow probably might not have accepted) but something tells me I shouldn't blame the caster at all, it's like shouting at a guy who finishes a marathon because he don't run fast enough. Aaaah self contradiction. What I don't agree with (not that you have to care for it, just my 2 cents) is the " and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu". To me it ain't only a spectator sport (yes, players need to be taken care of and play in the best conditions etc), but passed the fact that being a spectator and chatting with other spectators (casters and sometimes players) is a huge part of the fun watching those tournaments for my little person, the fact that if there's a whole 5000+ people waiting a whole saturday evening to watch a couple of games and just get given the finger by one diva player for some lag issues (I might be wrong but I only saw the caster lag once or twice before sjow jumped on him, all the previous problems were caused by other spectators) needs a little bit more consideration than a well-placed "stfu" - especially from the admin of a community website. If you ain't gonna "blame" anyone, then no one's responsible for the situation, then it'll happen again but it's ok, who cares, specs just need to "stfu" and eat what they're fed. Maybe that's not what you meant, and it was more of an analysis of the position of the spectator in the e-sport business, maybe those tourneys don't even need live specs at all and so on (I guess they'll need specs at some point if they want some money), but to me that's another discussion, I, as a spec, value my time as much as the next guy, if I get served warm beer, I quickly change bar. PS : as for the too much rain/too much snow thing : i think (at least that's what seems logical) it's the referee who decides how much is too much, not the players, and he does it both for the players AND the audience, not because the players look tired or might get their fancy little shorts wet but because he wants everyone to get a decent show. I didn't mean to say whoever thinks it's a spectator sport needs to stfu. I believe SC2 is a spectator sport. I meant to say whoever believes that the fact that it is a spectator sport means players should be forced to play in bad conditions needs to stfu. A spectator sport would be nowhere without its spectators, but where would it be without its players? It's give an take, as it is with everything. In this case spectators need to give a little and give up a live stream to ensure that players can function in a good environment. Players give up a lot for the spectators, in fact they dedicate their lives to entertaining you. All spectators need to do is enjoy the games and occasionally accept it when a player can't play due to bad conditions. It seems to me a lot of spectators in this thread prefer to take a lot and give very little. Spectators don't just need to eat what they're fed but they should definitely develop a better understanding of all sides if they think players just need to do whatever to entertain them. On January 09 2011 19:49 Wuffey wrote: I think you are wrong there. Football matches get canceled when it's completly impossible to play (=Batllenet offline). But they will not be canceled when it's raining or snowing, making it harder for the players to play but not impossible (=Lag). Rain that makes football harder is not at all comparable to lag. You are taking the comparison way out of context. Lag in Esports is much worse than rain in football. I would even go as far as to say that (some) rain is a part of football until it becomes too much. Lag is not a part of esports, at all. The only comparison you can make is that other sports stop if the playing conditions aren't sufficient anymore. Which should be the case for SC2 as well. On January 09 2011 21:02 Talin wrote: Without any desire to drag this on, I'll say I agree with everything else you said, but strongly disagree with this part. In general, viewers are the one single reason that there is prize money, and we all know that, because this is how any professional sport (or other spectator entertainment) works. In this specific case, the organization did fail big time, but it's in players' own best (long term) interest to "save the face" of the sponsors and organizers of the tournament especially if it's a fairly large live event. For all the lag and PC issues they experienced on-site, the tournament wouldn't have been that much of a failure if it went well from a spectators' point of view. If they already endured it for the entire day, Sjow should have made an effort to endure it a little bit more. Or forfeit if he thought the organization was that bad and playing conditions were horrible, there's no shame in that and it's actually within his rights. If the incident in the grand finals didn't happen, people would now be talking about the final game and congratulating TLO, which would be good publicity overall for everyone despite the on-site problems players had. Instead people are talking about organization and Sjow, which is bad publicity for everyone involved. The whole event has a negative backlash now, so I see no reason for Sjow to be absolved from a small dose of community backlash for what he did as well as he directly caused the tournament to be even more of a failure than just an organizational / technical one. Yea that's completely true, I suppose the argument that the organization couldn't fix their stream isn't an argument to disregard viewers regarding prize money. The sponsor still has good intentions and if they see 5000 viewers through private initiative they will still be impressed with esports. So if the organization fails and has no stream then players should still bear some responsibility towards the sponsors of the event. Though it's hard to look that deep into things when you are facing a big mess right in front of you for 12 hours straight. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On January 09 2011 21:05 MorroW wrote: the only ones fault for anything that goes wrong is the orgas of the event. dont blame sjow for getting angry any player would. if your players get angry in your tournament your probably doing something very wrong -.- if casters lag, then next time hire dapollo who can come to the actual event and do awesome casting without lag why do ppl keep hatin on the players when its the tournaments that are failing Don't agree with that entirely. I have nothing against Sjow (I seem to have noticed there's show fanboys in here, and sjow haters, I'm none of them at this point, last night I was just looking for good games), but if has a "right" to get angry, any spec has the same. Organisation was bad, that's for sure but even if it had been good, even in the best of tournaments I guess, any caster can start lagging at any time, and then it shouldn't be up the players to play the admin/referees AND if they have no other choice - like yesterday night - then, do it taking your audience into account - which no one (except for the caster - which pbbly got pissed at the situation too but managed not to show it too much - would be interesting to get his p.o.v.) seemed to do last night. If you invite 5000 people to a party, even if the party sucks, people wanna get inside instead of waiting outside in the cold. And if you're the guy who shuts the door in front of those 5000 peepz, don't expect them to cover you with compliments, crowds get over-enthousiastic, that's what they do - and it's part of the fun of any sport. The initial problems weren't Sjow's fault but from a spec point of view, what he did made the situation even worse. When a player wins a tournament that's gone great from an organization point of view, the player gets all kind of praises on top of the money and players don't complain that everybody forgets about all the organization behind the event. If something goes bad, you're free to do anything since all the blame should go the organization ? It's a bit caricatural of course but my point is, as e-sport are getting bigger (and I wish it keeps on going that way), I guess pros will have to decide if they wanna take care of their audience or not and how, but whatever you do, there'll be reactions that's for sure. Price of success ? Maybe. What was the quote again? "All in the game dawg" | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On January 09 2011 21:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: It seems to me a lot of spectators in this thread prefer to take a lot and give very little. Spectators don't just need to eat what they're fed but they should definitely develop a better understanding of all sides if they think players just need to do whatever to entertain them. This is so true. It often feels like people only take into consideration their own perspective and rarely the perspective of the players. I personally just get really pissed off when a casters lags, even if its just once for a few seconds, it really throws you off your game... Thanks for the posts Nazgul, i hope some people who are organizing events will read them.. | ||
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samaNo4
Spain245 Posts
Now, I'd like to suggest that some altruist soul did a Tournament's guide. It could seem strange but a lot of people don't really know how to do it. I have no idea about the topic, but thinks like from quarter finals to finals, one referee in each matchup, a game can't start until the referee says so and thinks like that. It could be really helpful. I saw a lot of tournaments were some rules weren't clear and so the admins/players didn't know what to do. It could greatly improve the community. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
The way in wich this was handled was very far from reasonable, I was watching live and I felt like an idiot seeing how the players (in this case Sjow in special) didnt want to take a mere 4-5 minutes break to see if the caster could fix problems, let alone, not even 1 minute to let him explain, instead spamming the lobby chat. I hope whoever rules in Team Dignitas tells him to post a public apology, bucause this is serious, probably not from a pro player perspective, but it is from an spectator point of view. Ultimately, in this "without players there would be no tournaments either" believe me, other people would step up, there is hundreds of people playing craft cups all the time, while the money there is close to nothing, and there are still nice games. Players really really really need to understand that they can make a living in what they love, ONLY because there are thousands of people willing to watch those tournaments. And as someone posted, this matter should really make for a discussion Blog and some kind of basic rules that tournaments could use. I cant wait to see this become a true profesional scene, where things like this dont happen. Because to some people it looks, like espectators just want to rage, no, spectators are raging because they dont want things like this to happen again. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 22:05 Usagi wrote: It all comes to a situation where players ask viewers to get in their shoes, and dont understand themselves that viewers are actually customers in this world, because they are putting up with the pub/sponsors, in order so there is money in the line for said players to be dragged into a tournament. The way in wich this was handled was very far from reasonable, I was watching live and I felt like an idiot seeing how the players (in this case Sjow in special) didnt want to take a mere 4-5 minutes break to see if the caster could fix problems, let alone, not even 1 minute to let him explain, instead spamming the lobby chat. I hope whoever rules in Team Dignitas tells him to post a public apology, bucause this is serious, probably not from a pro player perspective, but it is from an spectator point of view. Ultimately, in this "without players there would be no tournaments either" believe me, other people would step up, there is hundreds of people playing craft cups all the time, while the money there is close to nothing, and there are still nice games. Players really really really need to understand that they can make a living in what they love, ONLY because there are thousands of people willing to watch those tournaments. And as someone posted, this matter should really make for a discussion Blog and some kind of basic rules that tournaments could use. I cant wait to see this become a true profesional scene, where things like this dont happen. Because to some people it looks, like espectators just want to rage, no, spectators are raging because they dont want things like this to happen again. This argument makes no sense as it can be used the other way around just as well. Without you viewing there will still be enough viewers to watch. It's one of those statements that are just meaningless to the discussion. Bottom line is this one-sided stuff needs to stop. Players need to understand they need to be thankful for the viewers and viewers need to be thankful for the players. Why does every group always try to make themselves more important than they are? This includes players btw. | ||
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noaki
Germany145 Posts
On January 09 2011 21:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2011 19:34 Eurekastreet wrote: Agreed with most of the post, it's self-contradictory at times - but who isn't- or I just misunderstood it all (one paragraph you say you " have not seen the manner in which Sjow etc", the next " if anyone in Liquid handled this the way Sjow did at all and I would definitely yell at them for behaving like this" and you conclude with " Sjow did something wrong but nothing that deserves to be flamed." ) but if one tries to rationalize the whole mess objectively, it's probably the only way to go as there's so many things that went wrong one doesn't know who to start blaming. I, for one, blame the invisible admin (and the cloaked organizers), the player "threatening" the caster (and de-friending him from the game so no communication was possible at all after game 2 - we just stared at a fixed screen hoping for game 3....) and I wanna put a tiny tiny blame on the caster for not rebooting his whole setup just for the sake of it and trying to join again (though Sjow probably might not have accepted) but something tells me I shouldn't blame the caster at all, it's like shouting at a guy who finishes a marathon because he don't run fast enough. Aaaah self contradiction. What I don't agree with (not that you have to care for it, just my 2 cents) is the " and people saying in this topic that this is a spectator sport need to stfu". To me it ain't only a spectator sport (yes, players need to be taken care of and play in the best conditions etc), but passed the fact that being a spectator and chatting with other spectators (casters and sometimes players) is a huge part of the fun watching those tournaments for my little person, the fact that if there's a whole 5000+ people waiting a whole saturday evening to watch a couple of games and just get given the finger by one diva player for some lag issues (I might be wrong but I only saw the caster lag once or twice before sjow jumped on him, all the previous problems were caused by other spectators) needs a little bit more consideration than a well-placed "stfu" - especially from the admin of a community website. If you ain't gonna "blame" anyone, then no one's responsible for the situation, then it'll happen again but it's ok, who cares, specs just need to "stfu" and eat what they're fed. Maybe that's not what you meant, and it was more of an analysis of the position of the spectator in the e-sport business, maybe those tourneys don't even need live specs at all and so on (I guess they'll need specs at some point if they want some money), but to me that's another discussion, I, as a spec, value my time as much as the next guy, if I get served warm beer, I quickly change bar. PS : as for the too much rain/too much snow thing : i think (at least that's what seems logical) it's the referee who decides how much is too much, not the players, and he does it both for the players AND the audience, not because the players look tired or might get their fancy little shorts wet but because he wants everyone to get a decent show. I didn't mean to say whoever thinks it's a spectator sport needs to stfu. I believe SC2 is a spectator sport. I meant to say whoever believes that the fact that it is a spectator sport means players should be forced to play in bad conditions needs to stfu. A spectator sport would be nowhere without its spectators, but where would it be without its players? It's give an take, as it is with everything. In this case spectators need to give a little and give up a live stream to ensure that players can function in a good environment. Players give up a lot for the spectators, in fact they dedicate their lives to entertaining you. All spectators need to do is enjoy the games and occasionally accept it when a player can't play due to bad conditions. It seems to me a lot of spectators in this thread prefer to take a lot and give very little. Spectators don't just need to eat what they're fed but they should definitely develop a better understanding of all sides if they think players just need to do whatever to entertain them. On January 09 2011 19:49 Wuffey wrote: I think you are wrong there. Football matches get canceled when it's completly impossible to play (=Batllenet offline). But they will not be canceled when it's raining or snowing, making it harder for the players to play but not impossible (=Lag). Rain that makes football harder is not at all comparable to lag. You are taking the comparison way out of context. Lag in Esports is much worse than rain in football. I would even go as far as to say that (some) rain is a part of football until it becomes too much. Lag is not a part of esports, at all. The only comparison you can make is that other sports stop if the playing conditions aren't sufficient anymore. Which should be the case for SC2 as well. On January 09 2011 21:02 Talin wrote: Without any desire to drag this on, I'll say I agree with everything else you said, but strongly disagree with this part. In general, viewers are the one single reason that there is prize money, and we all know that, because this is how any professional sport (or other spectator entertainment) works. In this specific case, the organization did fail big time, but it's in players' own best (long term) interest to "save the face" of the sponsors and organizers of the tournament especially if it's a fairly large live event. For all the lag and PC issues they experienced on-site, the tournament wouldn't have been that much of a failure if it went well from a spectators' point of view. If they already endured it for the entire day, Sjow should have made an effort to endure it a little bit more. Or forfeit if he thought the organization was that bad and playing conditions were horrible, there's no shame in that and it's actually within his rights. If the incident in the grand finals didn't happen, people would now be talking about the final game and congratulating TLO, which would be good publicity overall for everyone despite the on-site problems players had. Instead people are talking about organization and Sjow, which is bad publicity for everyone involved. The whole event has a negative backlash now, so I see no reason for Sjow to be absolved from a small dose of community backlash for what he did as well as he directly caused the tournament to be even more of a failure than just an organizational / technical one. Yea that's completely true, I suppose the argument that the organization couldn't fix their stream isn't an argument to disregard viewers regarding prize money. The sponsor still has good intentions and if they see 5000 viewers through private initiative they will still be impressed with esports. So if the organization fails and has no stream then players should still bear some responsibility towards the sponsors of the event. Though it's hard to look that deep into things when you are facing a big mess right in front of you for 12 hours straight. Well I think most people agree with you and understand that lag is a horrible if not unacceptable situation for players, people complain about how Sjow handled the situation, i mean TLO was pissed too, but nobody's hating him cuz he didn't act like a total douche making all spectators miss the finals ( the issue was solved, but caster didn't get the chance to explain and on top of that he just went off or deleted the caster from is fl (not sure there) spoilering the result to everyone watching) | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On January 09 2011 22:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Bottom line is this one-sided stuff needs to stop. Players need to understand they need to be thankful for the viewers and viewers need to be thankful for the players. Why does every group always try to make themselves more important than they are? This includes players btw. Completely agree. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 22:10 noaki wrote: Well I think most people agree with you and understand that lag is a horrible if not unacceptable situation for players, people complain about how Sjow handled the situation, i mean TLO was pissed too, but nobody's hating him cuz he didn't act like a total douche making all spectators miss the finals ( the issue was solved, but caster didn't get the chance to explain and on top of that he just went off or deleted the caster from is fl (not sure there) spoilering the result to everyone watching) While I do think that everyone thinks he handled it poorly, myself included, there are a lot of opinions that are flat out hateful with no understanding of the situation, and others that think admins should make a player play in lag in order to entertain. Those opinions are the ones that need to educate themselves a bit more. Anyone who says Sjow handled it poorly is right of course. A player should abide the rules of a tournament he signs up for. Sjow deserves a bit of hate. But to me it's painful to see that Sjow is pretty much being crucified when it was really the organizational problems that caused all this to begin with. | ||
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
I'm the tournament organiser from the event yesterday and I just thought i'd put a few points across and make apologies where necessary. Firstly, we had a really fun day on site, the event ran really smooth once we got through the troubles caused from the website hosting crashing pretty severely - we didn't even know that would happen with that much traffic - so there was about an hour whilst we waited for late players and to generate the bracket, I apologise for this - we couldn't have anticipated it would have happened. Apart from that, we didn't really experience any lag issues from the players except the usual spikes here and there, and I didn't receive any complaints at all from games being dropped due to lag in the building, which was a massive relief! However... due to our caster not coming down to the event, I had a livestream account i'm not really familiar with, and between organising the tournament and trying to get that up and running - we tried our best to get our in house stream working, after the first match realising that the bandwidth on the line was being throttled pretty hard for no reason as I was on a dedicated 20/1 ADSL line, I still don't know why it was so bad, but it's central London and the BT offices experienced a fire in the building last week so that potentially had something to do with it - again, nothing much I could about this on the day, so continued to cast on our stream, and actually having a lot of fun casting myself which was totally new to me ^_^ - Many thanks to those who tuned in and listened And of course many thanks to Drool and ragequit.tv who came in to cast most of the larger games throughout the day, it's awesome how the community came together for that and the stream was really high quality - you guys are awesome! So to explain what happened towards the end of the event can only be described as perculiar. All of our streaming accounts started to lag out really bad. The in house stream kept disconnecting from battlenet for no reason so I pulled mine entirely to save lagging the game, some people think I was spectating the finals - I was not. Drools stream had a few disconnects towards the end, which could be expected considering he was in the US and we're in EU - but also when Total Biscuit tried to get in, he was lagging the game and disconnecting... so strange - no explanation and I'm not really sure what we could have done.. in my opinion, the players gameplay is the priority over streaming - but even more of a priority which not many people knew about was that we had to get the event wrapped up, as our venue was closing at midnight, Sjow admitted GG at 11:57! it was too close for comfort... With the initial delay due to the website, and for SarenS grabbing a burger without warning (McDonalds is to blame for all of the problems ^_^ ) - we were a couple of hours out of our schedule, which again we apologise for. All in all - we learned more lessons for how to do this - we honestly didn't expect >this< amount of interest, over 5.5 thousand on the ragequit.tv stream, and I think my stream spiked at about 1700 at one point, with over 4000 users browsing our website and 47 pages on this thread! We couldn't have known... we will for next time and we really look forward to bolstering our servers, installing some really nice 100/10 lines and working our stream to be really special. We will have the demos from the finals to upload for those that want to see them, and a good selection of other matches from the event, i'll post the link on here for you, if anyone would like to recast them on youtube perhaps lemme know Many congrats to the winners, you were all so excellent to hang around with all day - myself and ray (boo) had a blast Also thanks to Nigel from PokerIdol.com who stayed the entire day and was really enthusiastic about meeting the players and of course for the cash prize pool! He really enjoyed it, so theres no worries about the sponsors, we'll be back with bigger events hehe I just got back from London myself, so I have only read a few of the pages on this thread, I wish I could explain how sorry we are to the eager community trying to spectate the games and sometimes it breaking, especially the final, we all saw what happened at MLG and sometimes theres just external factors out of our control, if you knew the staff here you would know we tried our absolute hardest to deliver the best event we could and keep you updated with photos/live updates etc. so any positive feedback would be so very much appreciated, it breaks our hearts to see so much rage. I'll get busy trying to sort the replays and remaing photos out, and let you know asap <3 Many thanks from the team for the Pokeridol.com tournament! Chris aka smile Ray aka BoO www.gamerbase.com | ||
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eGo.SiGns
Germany48 Posts
On January 09 2011 22:00 DarKFoRcE wrote: This is so true. It often feels like people only take into consideration their own perspective and rarely the perspective of the players. I personally just get really pissed off when a casters lags, even if its just once for a few seconds, it really throws you off your game... Thanks for the posts Nazgul, i hope some people who are organizing events will read them.. To tell you the truth, posts like this dont really help the situation. As i have seen many "player streams" (streaming ladder games) i know what you are talking about. Obviously if there are ~2000-10000 viewers on a stream, you will always find those 5-10 douchebags spamming and trolling ingame. But the vast majority of viewers does take the players perspective into consideration and is very thankfull for the time they invest. In that regard its just really disappointing to see that players in a grand final dont seem to take the viewers perspective into consideration. Because its not entirely like Nazgul said: Pros dont live for the entertainment of the viewers. They play the game because they love it, just like the viewers do. They play as pros because they have the ability to win money with playing a game they love. The have the opportunity to win money, because the game has such a widespread fanbase which is interesting for sponsors. Ofc they entertain the viewers in the process, but do you really think the pros would play if there were no money on the line? Just for the entertainment of the viewers? I guess thats quite naive. All this anger is based upon this double-standard. viewers DO TAKE the players perspective into consideration, at least the vast majority does, otherwise there would be no way that most of the people, even the "haters" would say that sjows actions are "understandable". But the disappointing part is, that NOT ONE player (or "not-viewer" in general) has said, that the viewers reactions are "understandable". So even though there are some people in the 10000 viewers that do not take the players perspective into consideration that should not mean that it is ok for the ~32 players to ignore the viewers. You cant just always expect us to do that and not even do it yourself, thats just bogus. Greetz | ||
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Kage
India788 Posts
Most of the sponsorships today are based on branding and eye balls not on actual ROI in terms of cash. That's why players can get away by acting bad mannered and viewers can be retards too. If you paid money to go to a movie show you'd not act like a panzy at every opportunity because you invested in it. Sure you'll give it up, trash the movie or actors, but the actors (players) and directors (tournament orgas) need you to come in large numbers to get back their returns. There's no binding here so everyone acts the way they want since theres no consequence. But to grow esports we have to grow beyond the retards first and help each other, pointing fingers by players (who think they are demigods) and viewers (who feel they have a right to be answered to) is not the right away ahead. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 09 2011 22:30 Kage wrote: I think the right justification of the game being dead without viewers would be true when people pay to watch games and that money is used to pay tournament cash prizes or the players salaries. Most of the sponsorships today are based on branding and eye balls not on actual ROI in terms of cash. That's why players can get away by acting bad mannered and viewers can be retards too. If you paid money to go to a movie show you'd not act like a panzy at every opportunity because you invested in it. Sure you'll give it up, trash the movie or actors, but the actors (players) and directors (tournament orgas) need you to come in large numbers to get back their returns. There's no binding here so everyone acts the way they want since theres no consequence. But to grow esports we have to grow beyond the retards first and help each other, pointing fingers by players (who think they are demigods) and viewers (who feel they have a right to be answered to) is not the right away ahead.  | ||
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neocron
United Kingdom505 Posts
On January 09 2011 22:15 gamerbase smile wrote: Hello hello I'm the tournament organiser from the event yesterday and I just thought i'd put a few points across and make apologies where necessary. Firstly, we had a really fun day on site, the event ran really smooth once we got through the troubles caused from the website hosting crashing pretty severely - we didn't even know that would happen with that much traffic - so there was about an hour whilst we waited for late players and to generate the bracket, I apologise for this - we couldn't have anticipated it would have happened. Apart from that, we didn't really experience any lag issues from the players except the usual spikes here and there, and I didn't receive any complaints at all from games being dropped due to lag in the building, which was a massive relief! However... due to our caster not coming down to the event, I had a livestream account i'm not really familiar with, and between organising the tournament and trying to get that up and running - we tried our best to get our in house stream working, after the first match realising that the bandwidth on the line was being throttled pretty hard for no reason as I was on a dedicated 20/1 ADSL line, I still don't know why it was so bad, but it's central London and the BT offices experienced a fire in the building last week so that potentially had something to do with it - again, nothing much I could about this on the day, so continued to cast on our stream, and actually having a lot of fun casting myself which was totally new to me ^_^ - Many thanks to those who tuned in and listened And of course many thanks to Drool and ragequit.tv who came in to cast most of the larger games throughout the day, it's awesome how the community came together for that and the stream was really high quality - you guys are awesome! So to explain what happened towards the end of the event can only be described as perculiar. All of our streaming accounts started to lag out really bad. The in house stream kept disconnecting from battlenet for no reason so I pulled mine entirely to save lagging the game, some people think I was spectating the finals - I was not. Drools stream had a few disconnects towards the end, which could be expected considering he was in the US and we're in EU - but also when Total Biscuit tried to get in, he was lagging the game and disconnecting... so strange - no explanation and I'm not really sure what we could have done.. in my opinion, the players gameplay is the priority over streaming - but even more of a priority which not many people knew about was that we had to get the event wrapped up, as our venue was closing at midnight, Sjow admitted GG at 11:57! it was too close for comfort... With the initial delay due to the website, and for SarenS grabbing a burger without warning (McDonalds is to blame for all of the problems ^_^ ) - we were a couple of hours out of our schedule, which again we apologise for. All in all - we learned more lessons for how to do this - we honestly didn't expect >this< amount of interest, over 5.5 thousand on the ragequit.tv stream, and I think my stream spiked at about 1700 at one point, with over 4000 users browsing our website and 47 pages on this thread! We couldn't have known... we will for next time and we really look forward to bolstering our servers, installing some really nice 100/10 lines and working our stream to be really special. We will have the demos from the finals to upload for those that want to see them, and a good selection of other matches from the event, i'll post the link on here for you, if anyone would like to recast them on youtube perhaps lemme know Many congrats to the winners, you were all so excellent to hang around with all day - myself and ray (boo) had a blast Also thanks to Nigel from PokerIdol.com who stayed the entire day and was really enthusiastic about meeting the players and of course for the cash prize pool! He really enjoyed it, so theres no worries about the sponsors, we'll be back with bigger events hehe I just got back from London myself, so I have only read a few of the pages on this thread, I wish I could explain how sorry we are to the eager community trying to spectate the games and sometimes it breaking, especially the final, we all saw what happened at MLG and sometimes theres just external factors out of our control, if you knew the staff here you would know we tried our absolute hardest to deliver the best event we could and keep you updated with photos/live updates etc. so any positive feedback would be so very much appreciated, it breaks our hearts to see so much rage. I'll get busy trying to sort the replays and remaing photos out, and let you know asap <3 Many thanks from the team for the Pokeridol.com tournament! Chris aka smile Ray aka BoO www.gamerbase.com Great to hear that explanation! It explains most problems. I really enjoyed your tournament and I will definetly tune in the next time! | ||
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Malinor
Germany4722 Posts
On January 09 2011 22:15 gamerbase smile wrote: Hello hello I'm the tournament organiser from the event yesterday and I just thought i'd put a few points across and make apologies where necessary. Firstly, we had a really fun day on site, the event ran really smooth once we got through the troubles caused from the website hosting crashing pretty severely - we didn't even know that would happen with that much traffic - so there was about an hour whilst we waited for late players and to generate the bracket, I apologise for this - we couldn't have anticipated it would have happened. Apart from that, we didn't really experience any lag issues from the players except the usual spikes here and there, and I didn't receive any complaints at all from games being dropped due to lag in the building, which was a massive relief! However... due to our caster not coming down to the event, I had a livestream account i'm not really familiar with, and between organising the tournament and trying to get that up and running - we tried our best to get our in house stream working, after the first match realising that the bandwidth on the line was being throttled pretty hard for no reason as I was on a dedicated 20/1 ADSL line, I still don't know why it was so bad, but it's central London and the BT offices experienced a fire in the building last week so that potentially had something to do with it - again, nothing much I could about this on the day, so continued to cast on our stream, and actually having a lot of fun casting myself which was totally new to me ^_^ - Many thanks to those who tuned in and listened And of course many thanks to Drool and ragequit.tv who came in to cast most of the larger games throughout the day, it's awesome how the community came together for that and the stream was really high quality - you guys are awesome! So to explain what happened towards the end of the event can only be described as perculiar. All of our streaming accounts started to lag out really bad. The in house stream kept disconnecting from battlenet for no reason so I pulled mine entirely to save lagging the game, some people think I was spectating the finals - I was not. Drools stream had a few disconnects towards the end, which could be expected considering he was in the US and we're in EU - but also when Total Biscuit tried to get in, he was lagging the game and disconnecting... so strange - no explanation and I'm not really sure what we could have done.. in my opinion, the players gameplay is the priority over streaming - but even more of a priority which not many people knew about was that we had to get the event wrapped up, as our venue was closing at midnight, Sjow admitted GG at 11:57! it was too close for comfort... With the initial delay due to the website, and for SarenS grabbing a burger without warning (McDonalds is to blame for all of the problems ^_^ ) - we were a couple of hours out of our schedule, which again we apologise for. All in all - we learned more lessons for how to do this - we honestly didn't expect >this< amount of interest, over 5.5 thousand on the ragequit.tv stream, and I think my stream spiked at about 1700 at one point, with over 4000 users browsing our website and 47 pages on this thread! We couldn't have known... we will for next time and we really look forward to bolstering our servers, installing some really nice 100/10 lines and working our stream to be really special. We will have the demos from the finals to upload for those that want to see them, and a good selection of other matches from the event, i'll post the link on here for you, if anyone would like to recast them on youtube perhaps lemme know Many congrats to the winners, you were all so excellent to hang around with all day - myself and ray (boo) had a blast Also thanks to Nigel from PokerIdol.com who stayed the entire day and was really enthusiastic about meeting the players and of course for the cash prize pool! He really enjoyed it, so theres no worries about the sponsors, we'll be back with bigger events hehe I just got back from London myself, so I have only read a few of the pages on this thread, I wish I could explain how sorry we are to the eager community trying to spectate the games and sometimes it breaking, especially the final, we all saw what happened at MLG and sometimes theres just external factors out of our control, if you knew the staff here you would know we tried our absolute hardest to deliver the best event we could and keep you updated with photos/live updates etc. so any positive feedback would be so very much appreciated, it breaks our hearts to see so much rage. I'll get busy trying to sort the replays and remaing photos out, and let you know asap <3 Many thanks from the team for the Pokeridol.com tournament! Chris aka smile Ray aka BoO www.gamerbase.com Thank you for that post. I surely clarifies some things, but without trying to be an ass just for the heck of it (since you already learned it the hard way yesterday), I want to note some things. You use different versions of the phrase "we could not know" too often in your post. Because some things you should have known. During the last few months, every SC2 tournament that was decently advertised and had a pricepool above ~2k $/€ has attracted streams with at least 5000 people watching, normally it is more people actually. You simply were not on top of your research there. Furthermore, that your caster didn't show up is really unfortunate, but it really makes us wonder who the hell this guy was, kinda seems like you hired some random guy. Like TotalBiscuit mentioned in this thread, which other casters beside d.apollo and himself are there in the UK who is qualified to cast a tournament that big? Again, you really weren't on top of your research there. Plain and simple, your preparation was not as it should have been. Still, it was an enjoyable tournament with good players, and that you got through a 32 double-elimination on one day deserves respect. Just fix the flaws for next time and it will be a great tournament with probably 5-digit viewers. | ||
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
http://www.gamerbase.com/trocadero/SC2R/TLO/Final.zip | ||
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Eurekastreet
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On January 09 2011 21:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I didn't mean to say whoever thinks it's a spectator sport needs to stfu. I believe SC2 is a spectator sport. I meant to say whoever believes that the fact that it is a spectator sport means players should be forced to play in bad conditions needs to stfu. A spectator sport would be nowhere without its spectators, but where would it be without its players? It's give an take, as it is with everything. In this case spectators need to give a little and give up a live stream to ensure that players can function in a good environment. Players give up a lot for the spectators, in fact they dedicate their lives to entertaining you. All spectators need to do is enjoy the games and occasionally accept it when a player can't play due to bad conditions. It seems to me a lot of spectators in this thread prefer to take a lot and give very little. Spectators don't just need to eat what they're fed but they should definitely develop a better understanding of all sides if they think players just need to do whatever to entertain them. I have no problem giving up a live stream (it hurts a little every time it happens though ;D) but it's the way things happened yesterday which didn't seem fair to me. As you say it's give and take on both sides, fans give, fans take too, to find the balance ain't easy probably... I have a problem with the "players give up a lot for the spectators" bit though because as a spec a) I do not force anyone to play starcraft, I give and take like any fan like you said but that's about it, people still do what they want and if players give a lot, i hope they get a lot too, if they ain't happy about their life, they're probably in the wrong business - and you could say that about any working person...give and take. b) I'd take a pro player place anytime if they wanna switch (maybe I'd hate it but that's sthg else) - it's not that bad of a situation, is it !? c)if it's their job, then I got reminded of this convo @ 1:50 (don't ask me why) : On January 09 2011 22:30 Kage wrote: I think the right justification of the game being dead without viewers would be true when people pay to watch games and that money is used to pay tournament cash prizes or the players salaries. Most of the sponsorships today are based on branding and eye balls not on actual ROI in terms of cash. That's why players can get away by acting bad mannered and viewers can be retards too. If you paid money to go to a movie show you'd not act like a panzy at every opportunity because you invested in it. Sure you'll give it up, trash the movie or actors, but the actors (players) and directors (tournament orgas) need you to come in large numbers to get back their returns. There's no binding here so everyone acts the way they want since theres no consequence. But to grow esports we have to grow beyond the retards first and help each other, pointing fingers by players (who think they are demigods) and viewers (who feel they have a right to be answered to) is not the right away ahead. Well, you gotta start somewhere, I guess this retard vs demigods interaction is all part of the growing process to avoid future mistakes. I'm such an optimistic figure. Not sure I agree with the paying ticket would solve it all though. I understand the movie analogy but it's only worth what it's worth. A free concert can be as good as a paying one. A soccer match on tv is "free", the same match at a stadion would cost you and if you ever go to a stadion, feels like people paid for their right to complain and behave like idiots in there. You can only compare things that can be compared. It's all in the way all the things are put together...cash helps, but not always. I pay for GSL stream. It doesn't mean some "free" (MLG) tourneys weren't as good as GSL (don't mean to start an endless discussion about Korea vs rest of the world but I guess you get my point). And from what I hear from our archon starcasters, all the money I pay go not to the stream itself but only to try and improve it (probably peanuts in their whole budget), so even the biggest tourney worldwide does not really need my (direct) cash to work perfectly fine. And also, isn't part of what makes e-sport attractive is the fact that it's so often free (well, there's always indirect costs but whatever) for the viewer ? If cash was all over the place, would the audience be the same (in "quality" and quantity ?). Just asking questions here, I don't pretend to know the answers btw... Anyway, how does this relate to the topic ? Well, I guess the admins did their best from what I just read so next tournament finals should be better! | ||
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bay_2002
Germany105 Posts
Could you please upload the winner brackets final also? Would be awsome! | ||
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
TLO " Well Sjow, it's almost the same prize for 2nd place " Sjow " I know, but it's more about the honor... -_- " TLO " All I care about is the honor " * not a word for word, but along those lines. hehe There was some massive lols throughout the day from these two. <3 Furthermore, that your caster didn't show up is really unfortunate, but it really makes us wonder who the hell this guy was, kinda seems like you hired some random guy. Like TotalBiscuit mentioned in this thread, which other casters beside d.apollo and himself are there in the UK who is qualified to cast a tournament that big? Again, you really weren't on top of your research there. Plain and simple, your preparation was not as it should have been. It was d.apollo, he cast our last SC2 WD £2k tournament a few months back and I was insanely impressed with how well he approached it, unfortunately we were notified on the morning of the event by his manager that he will be unable to make it for perfectly acceptable reasons. So no bad blood there, Shaun is awesome, it's just really unfortunate | ||
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vdale
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
I'd also like to note that every single time I saw this topic in the side bar, I read "Pokerlol" instead of "PokerIdol". For whatever reason. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4722 Posts
On January 09 2011 23:33 gamerbase smile wrote: http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=post&id=94444 TLO " Well Sjow, it's almost the same prize for 2nd place " Sjow " I know, but it's more about the honor... -_- " TLO " All I care about is the honor " * not a word for word, but along those lines. hehe There was some massive lols throughout the day from these two. <3 It was d.apollo, he cast our last SC2 WD £2k tournament a few months back and I was insanely impressed with how well he approached it, unfortunately we were notified on the morning of the event by his manager that he will be unable to make it for perfectly acceptable reasons. So no bad blood there, Shaun is awesome, it's just really unfortunate Then I stand corrected in that regard. | ||
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ELA
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plaSsoN
Germany39 Posts
On January 09 2011 23:33 gamerbase smile wrote: It was d.apollo, he cast our last SC2 WD £2k tournament a few months back and I was insanely impressed with how well he approached it, unfortunately we were notified on the morning of the event by his manager that he will be unable to make it for perfectly acceptable reasons. So no bad blood there, Shaun is awesome, it's just really unfortunate On January 08 2011 04:07 d.Apollo wrote: Iam not covering this event either.. Somehow confusing... | ||
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
http://www.gamerbase.com/?a=competition&competition=234 | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
P.S. In the future, if streaming is causing problems the best thing to do would be to cast from replays? I don't mean this as part of the casting live VS casting from replays discussion because we are talking about an offline tournament. It's more like Plan A being to cast live, and, in case something goes wrong, Plan B: send the replays to the casters immediately. | ||
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myfriendspro
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On January 09 2011 22:30 Kage wrote: I think the right justification of the game being dead without viewers would be true when people pay to watch games and that money is used to pay tournament cash prizes or the players salaries. Most of the sponsorships today are based on branding and eye balls not on actual ROI in terms of cash. That's why players can get away by acting bad mannered and viewers can be retards too. If you paid money to go to a movie show you'd not act like a panzy at every opportunity because you invested in it. Sure you'll give it up, trash the movie or actors, but the actors (players) and directors (tournament orgas) need you to come in large numbers to get back their returns. There's no binding here so everyone acts the way they want since theres no consequence. But to grow esports we have to grow beyond the retards first and help each other, pointing fingers by players (who think they are demigods) and viewers (who feel they have a right to be answered to) is not the right away ahead. This is a fantastic point of view and I completely agree. Players and viewers need to take a moment and realise that pointing fingers wont get us anywhere. Spectators needs to realize that players are working their asses off to provide entertainment on such a high level. The occasional hiccup is only part of sports and particularily when money is involved emotion is going to run high. Demanding players play in bad conditions is not only hurting the player view of the public but also the legitimacy of the contest. Players need to be treated with respect for what their doing, but also I think they need to have some accountability for their actions. Whether we like it or not, lag is part of the game and it wont be going anywhere for the foreseeable future. Acting like a mature reasonable adult I think will go a long way in promoting this sport. If future sponsers see bad behaivour from a popular player or from the crowd watching they are going to think "Why sponser this, its a bunch of kids demanding perfection". In the end, we all need to realize we are here for the same reason (starcraft!) and we have to dwell on the positive rather than the negative to move forward. Its a shame that a tournament of this quality can be affected so negatively by what happened. I for one hope to see more Pokeridol tournies in the future! | ||
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qck
United Kingdom201 Posts
On January 09 2011 18:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: Can you prove that even one thing I said was not true? I have to ask because right now the one who seems to be 'full of hot air' is you. How was my criticism not constructive exactly? Which of my points were incorrect? I ask because yes, it would appear you are heavily biased and don't seem to have anything to add other than insults. You have absolutely no idea who my sources are or where that information came from, but I can safely say now, having read your post, that I definitely know more about it than you do. You've not added a shred of value to this discussion and if you want to make yourself feel better by airing your dirty laundry in public, then you don't get to sit on a moral high-horse and claim that I'm not discussing the issue at hand. But hey, what would I know, I'm just a lacklustre shoutcaster, my opinion isn't worth shit right? Considering it's been revealed that Apollo was the designated on-site shoutcaster, I'll have to go by instinct and say that your sources seem pretty unreliable. | ||
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
I was really psyched to attend such a big live event in my home city and really hope there will be more to come. As smile has said, there were lots of things to learn and improve on but we should all support their efforts and look forward to a bigger and better tournament next time. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 10 2011 03:32 qck wrote: Considering it's been revealed that Apollo was the designated on-site shoutcaster, I'll have to go by instinct and say that your sources seem pretty unreliable. Politics politics. Sad that it even has a place in eSports, but there ya go. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On January 10 2011 03:52 theSAiNT wrote: As someone who was actually at the event, I can report that the organizers were doing everything in their power to keep it running smoothly. There were unexpected hiccups and it's unfortunate the stream was down for the finals but we should appreciate the tournament as a whole. A great field of competitors showed up and played some entertaining games which for the most part were faultlessly streamed. The sponsors even had a representative there the whole day to talk to players and fans. I was really psyched to attend such a big live event in my home city and really hope there will be more to come. As smile has said, there were lots of things to learn and improve on but we should all support their efforts and look forward to a bigger and better tournament next time. Hear, hear. Overall, I enjoyed the tournament as a whole. The tournament had an awesome group of players, hardworking casters, and a sponsor that put down large amount of money. Also, let's not forget that the tournament has a champion: TLO! He played amazing throughout the whole tournament. In the winner bracket's final, TLO was down 2-0 to Sjow, but came back with 3 wins in a row. Truly, it was a delight to see. TLO has truly come a long ways. His stay in Korea must have made a big difference. He's still creative, but his play is a lot more polished and refined. I can't wait to see TLO in next week's tournament in the HomeStoryCup II. Good luck! | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
With this said, Esports is a one-of-a-kind in the sense that it is part of a new generation. Driven by battle.net over the internet, streamed through the internet, and brackets for the most part being organized through the internet, are all supported on new technology, which is something new in itself. Players and viewers have to be aware that the process is new for everyone, as do the admins of tournaments, so priorities and rules are still in its infancy stage. Should the viewers have priority, or should the players have priority? The answer could be different in many scenarios, and could come to change over time. In my opinion, as of right now it would be better have a fair game for the players, and then do the replay of the game if that is what has to be done. Right now, the main tournaments are supported by sponsors that want to get their name out to the people watching, and if a replay still gets the job done and the sponsors are fine with it I do not see the problem(and viewers shouldn't either). More people probably watch the VoDs in many cases than the live streams, so it would still benefit the sponsors in many cases... People complain about the viewers demanding to know too much and etc., but that is the way things are now with the internet. The line of communication is just one "enter" button away, so it is easier to have your opinion voiced than ever before. Viewers should keep in mind that just because it is easy to type something, doesn't make that quick opinion something worthwhile to read. The people working behind the scenes (such as admins) also need to realize this is the case and therefore be able to handle what comes as "part of the business" yet keep a steady mind and keep trying to do all they can. Players need to realize that although they want conditions to be great, sometimes it isn't only about playing the game. Tournament admins sometimes have a bigger agenda that they need to keep, with details they might not understand themselves. Malfunctions like this at the pokeridol tourney, will DEFINITELY keep on happening as long as it is over the internet, and players need to realize that if they just go off, they will be looked at in a negative light by many viewers who feel that those players are living the dream of so many gamers. People do put themselves in their shoes, and many viewers feel that they would be so lucky to be there in a tournament of such magnitude in the semifinals with such a big prize pool and people watching. Yes, we know how much "progamers" practice in order to be good and be able to play at such a high level, but they should not by any means think they themselves are bigger than the game. Just like in any sport, players can be easily replaced by other talented players and the games will keep on rolling. With this said, the community is what makes this so great in that we can all come together and discuss what has happened and how to improve. I did not watch this event, nor do I think it was necessary to for me to be able to post what I did. Everyone needs to give and take a little, at the same time knowing that what we are going through with Esports has never been done before so there is no "past history" to be able to look at and learn from. The way we handle things now is what paves the way for the future, and we can all contribute in a better manner most of the time. Keep on moving forward community | ||
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Sorkoas
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Congratulations on winning one the runners-up prizes in our recent series of StarCraft II Qualifier Tournaments. Your prize is a weekend BYOC (Bring Your Own Computer) ticket to Insomnia 42 which is being held at Newbury Racecourse in England from 22nd to 25th April 2011. Details of the event can be found at http://iseries.multiplay.co.uk/i42/ The event will include four prize winning tournaments: Counter-Strike Source,Team Fortress 2, Call of Duty 4 and StarCraft II! To confirm acceptance of your prize, please respond to this email by January 15th, 2011. If we do not hear from you, your prize will be allocated to another player who took part in the tournament. We look forward to hearing from you and hopefully seeing you in Newbury. Regards, Nigel Blower UK Marketing Manager | ||
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Gomas
Poland311 Posts
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Sorkoas
549 Posts
On January 19 2011 08:58 Longshank wrote: What, the event is in April. They never said they would get back to you before Jan 15th just that you had to email them by that date. Calm down. Good point. I started losing hope after two weeks with no reply. | ||
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thehitman
1105 Posts
So I'm supposed to have someone in Britain and trust some internet gamer on TL or whatever with $5000 and pray he would transfer the money to my bank account. Men this is an impossible mission, even though I was hoping for the first MAJOR european tournament. | ||
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gamerbase smile
United Kingdom29 Posts
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Sorkoas
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Just curious, did the players at the SC2 tournament even receive their prize money yet? | ||
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zeMoose
Finland51 Posts
On January 26 2011 22:17 Sorkoas wrote: Still nothing, after even more emails to them. Seems legit! Just curious, did the players at the SC2 tournament even receive their prize money yet? Even if they haven't paid yet, it doesn't mean they are a scam. It's pretty much the standard in any esports tournament that the prize money is paid way after the event itself. Take ESL for example, their prizes usually have taken from 6 to 15 months to pay out. Or the said i-series LANs from Multiplay, they take about a year. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On January 26 2011 23:39 zeMoose wrote: Even if they haven't paid yet, it doesn't mean they are a scam. It's pretty much the standard in any esports tournament that the prize money is paid way after the event itself. Take ESL for example, their prizes usually have taken from 6 to 15 months to pay out. Or the said i-series LANs from Multiplay, they take about a year. and why is that?  | ||
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Gomas
Poland311 Posts
I've emailed the Nigel guy from pokeridol a couple of times over the past 2 months, and received replies, ensuring me the money will be paid "in the next few days". My last reply was on the 9th of February where he said that I should receive my money in the next 3 days. Obviously I haven't -.- | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
On February 28 2011 09:13 Gomas wrote: I talked to almost everyone who was supposed to receive prize money today, and no one did. I wasn't able to catch TLO - can Nazgul or TLO confirm if he got paid in the end or not? I've emailed the Nigel guy from pokeridol a couple of times over the past 2 months, and received replies, ensuring me the money will be paid "in the next few days". My last reply was on the 9th of February where he said that I should receive my money in the next 3 days. Obviously I haven't -.- Maybe he just needs more time to get a good hand and win big on Poker :-P Seriously, its a little disconcerting how organizers can put on events and then neglect to hand out the prize. Perhaps we should have a black list for tournaments that haven't yet paid out so we can boy-cott other events they run. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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gamerbase
United Kingdom3 Posts
As hosts to many gaming events, this delay has caused us to change our procedures and any third party companies/sponsors/etc using gamerbase to host tournaments will in future be required to pay the prize money on the day of the event, or transfer the prize fund to us prior to the event. I will keep in touch with the winners and let them know my progress with Poker Idol. | ||
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Finrod1
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On March 01 2011 05:45 Finrod1 wrote: It's like always, it noones fault and noone is responsable... That Noone guy sounds like a bastard. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 12 2011 02:37 gamerbase wrote: Everyone now paid. I'm glad to hear it. Thanks for making it happen. | ||
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